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The U.S. accounts for about a third of the world's carbon dioxide. With China and India not within the treaty either, and the big three being the worst offenders in CO2, it's a wonder this will go anywhere.

Kyoto is based on junk science. Several of the signatories are having second thoughts just a week or so after it took effect. CANADA is in a huge bind. KYOTO will cripple Canadian economic growth, (which will hugely impact how its citizens earn a living).

Your logic is based on junk thinking. if you want to extol the vegan lifestyle, use some better logic. Get a grip.

mike crouch

Yep, and Earth Day generates a millions of pounds of trash.

When you're done talking, can you please pass the sausage.

Yes, and may I have a steak with that, please?

This is a PETA advertisement cloaked under the guise of global warming. I think I'll go buy some steaks today, fire up the grill, and cook away.

Glenn, don't forget the most important factor: cow flatulence.

have you jokers set a tour date yet? afterall, it is much easier to make jokes than it is to face the truth, so i'm sure you'll play to packed houses.

Oh so sorry that I offended you MJ. Silly me, I just have that comical knee-jerk reaction when some vegetarian tries to dictate what we should and should not eat under the guise of "showing support" for the Kyoto Treaty.

But maybe you have a point there--what do you say, Bigmouth, Dan, Sagtraf---maybe we can take it on the road, play to packed houses and make lots of money. Gosh, maybe then we'll be able to donate that money to PETA.. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

1-Kyoto exempts third-world countries which use the most out-dated and therefore most damaging technology.
2-It is hard to believe that all those giant combines harvesting the wheat and corn don't put some pollution in the air.
3-All the greenhouse gases ever produced my modern civilization are a tiny fraction of a percent of that produced naturally by volcanic activity.
4-Global Warming/Cooling is a natural cycle. The last big Global Warming resulted in such a remarkable increase in productivity that Europeans were free to carry on activities other than farming. The result is called the Renaissance.

Beef: it's what's for dinner.

I'll only go on tour if I can wear my new baby-sealskin coat.
And pass the sausage, will ya? Riding in this big 'ol SUV sure makes a country boy hungry...

"All the greenhouse gases ever produced my modern civilization are a tiny fraction of a percent of that produced naturally by volcanic activity."

False. I've researched it. Maybe you should too before posting things that aren't credible.

Roch,

Is any of that research online? I'd like to read it.

Meat, dairy, and other animal by-products are major components of the food pyramid. To 100% avoid all of these foods would cause harm to my own body and probably my lifespan. Now, given the choice between saving the lifespan humanity by a few thousand years or saving my own life and the lives of my children and grandchildren, I think I'll be selfish and choose me. Sorry.

Besides, who is to say that a big asteroid won't take us all out next week anyway, or maybe Jesus will return and begin the end of the world.

Okay, I'll make a compromise. If all the vegans in this country agree to stop using any electric or fossil fueled technology, then I'll stop eating meat.

Last time I looked, cabbages and carrots still arrived at the grocery store by truck...so are vegetarians destroying the ozone layer or whatever by supporting this selfish trucking of veggies??
Roch, I've researched the very same subject and found the exact opposite to be true. You're not credible.
So there.

Sigh...

"Present-day carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from subaerial and submarine volcanoes are uncertain at the present time. Gerlach (1991) estimated a total global release of 3-4 x 10E12 mol/yr from volcanoes. This is a conservative estimate. Man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 emissions overwhelm this estimate by at least 150 times."

Forgot the source:

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/Gases/man.html

From Harvard University, global warming is natural and cyclic:

http://www.med.harvard.edu/chge/qrsummer02/rind.htm

Meat,

Roch wasn't arguing whether global warming is a man-made catastrophe or not. He was just arguing that man produces more greenhouse gases than volcanoes do. The link he provided at least indicated that man produces more CO2. It doesn't say anything about Nitrous Oxide, Methane, CFCs, etc.

indeed, those combines harvesting the wheat and corn do pollute the air. what do livestock and poultry eat?

warming and cooling cycles of the earth may be normal, but the "rate" at which it is now occuring is abnormal.

why are we willing to risk our own health and the future health of this planet (our children's)in the name of gluttony? beats me...

Rusty, Roch was arguing for the sake of arguing. That's what he does, the truth or the facts aren't important.

Meat, that's entirely untrue. Roch provided us with links supporting his statement.

enough already!!

this posting stuff should be stimulating, in that ideas and opinions from all sides are displayed and discussed. we can all learn from different perspectives that perhaps we did not think about previously. this may (should)lead to respect and understanding for the opposite view. however, the personal attacks are getting old and mostly unfunny. i would bet that we would all enjoy one another's company for beer and wings. judging folks by what you read is only "part" of the whole person. (good example: jeff gannon)

for my money, roch, well... rocks.

And, Rusty, I provided links supporting my statement, which has conclusions opposite from Roch. It just proves that there is no definitive answer as to what causes it, how long it will last, or whether we can do anything about it. Global warming and cooling is a cyclic event, and has been since the dawn of earth.

Meat, the conclusions of your statement had nothing to do with the conclusions of Roch's statement. His was a statement about volcanic vs. man emissions of greenhouse gases. Yours was a statement about global warming. Roch made no statement about global warming, hence the link you provided is irrelevant to the debate.
I agree with you that global warming/cooling and its causes is up for debate. But that's not at all what Roch was refuting or asserting. Pay closer attention next time before you go accusing people of not caring about facts or the truth.