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Mr. Mulligan, You want to talk about half truths and scary stuff? Reread you letter to the editor in the High Point Enterprise 2/28/05. You accuse AARP of using scare tactics and being dishonest because YOU don't agree with their stance on Bush's proposal for SS reform.

The real reason for your concern was revealed when you just couldn't pass up the opportunity to try to stick it to the Democratic party. "The AARP is supporting the Democratic Party in its continuing campaign aganist President Bush on this and a variety of other issues." In a nut shell; if you don't agree with Bush and support his proposals, you are open game for character assinations and attacks.

AARP has done its homework in regards to Bush's proposal. While folks like you state only half the facts, they have investigated and present all the facts. (www.aarp.org/socialsecurity)

"Voluntary programs" sound good, just as "private investment" does. But Bush and his supporters do not tell you these ideals have not worked for the countries who have already tried them. Great Britain has been participating in a similar experiment for 25 years and Sweden since 1999. Both have been considered dismal failures. "In short, the British public and the government lost money. They learned the hard way that the costs of administering private accounts can affect returns and reduce the size of the retirement pot by up to 30 percent." The people in Sweden, though "enthusiastic" (much like some folks here) when the program was initiated, reported a different view after the stock market dropped. "Most people lost money and have not recuperated." (Taken from AARP Febuary Bulletin)

I don't need AARP or any other group to tell me how risky the stock market is. And I won't be around when the young folks who are so "enthusiastic" about having a private account reach retirement age. So why should I care when they find out too late they were not given all the facts so they could have made an informed decision? Because I have grandchildren and I believe people need ALL the information about a proposal, not just the version of the Bush backers.

I wouldn't put too much weight on Yvonne's opinion. She has nothing better to do with her self than to sit around and write long tirades about nothing and to bait people into arguments. Just sample her comments on this forum and you'll see what I mean

"justjoe," and what better are you? Yvonne has at least provided access to information to support her comments (the web link). Whereas in the article commented upon, there is nothing to support anything said.

If someone wants to make loud ascertations, then let there be evidence to support the same.

Mr t, I'm not asking anyone to give my posts any creadence at all. What I ask is that people investigate and educate themselves before they form their opinions. I happen to believe informed opinions and decisions are the right of every American.

By the way, it's called multi-tasking; holding down a full time job, keeping up a house, being involved in the political arena and a variety of other activities.

Sorry Mr t, my above comments were for just joe.

Major premise
1. would a candidate or a campaign engage in fraud if they knew they were winning?
>of course not
Minor premise
2. did the gop engage in fraud in ohio and florida?
>obviously
Conclusion
3. bush and the gop knew he would lose and engaged in high crimes and misdemeanors to prevent this.

you can toss the truth like a salad if you want, but the fact is that bush knows he lost, bush broke the law, bush was not elected.

President Bush was not elected? Hmm...I wonder who that is sleeping in his bed at the White House.
Do you subscribe to the theory that black helicopters flying over the country on election day electronically "changed" the voting machines? Are you wearing a tinfoil beanie as you read this?
Gabby, man, you are waaaaay out there....

Hey Gabby - if you want to look at who is under arrest and indictment for illegal activities in the 2004 elections, look at the Dem party in WIS. A congresspersons son and some other Dem campaign workers went out the evening before election day and slashed tires on a fleet of vehicles the Reps had rented for hauling people to the polls. Check it out Gabby.

Dems have a long history of dead people voting and other creative ways of winning elections, and they havent changed.

Bush REALLY WON and the Dems cannot stand it...that is what this is all about.

Mike

Thanks for the correction,Yvonne. I don't always agree with everything you say, but you have every right to voice your opinion here and anywhere else.

Does anyone think we should have some Socialism in our Social Security system? I mean, where people voluntarily give up the potential (not guarantee) of higher returns to uphold a safer way to distribute neeed income to (particularly poor) seniors?

Or does "ownership society" really mean "GREED" at the expense of social agreement, and whoever dies with the most toys...is dead, just like everyone else...(but the last years may be a bit more comfortable)?

OK everybody, I'm gonna say what most liberals are thinking but are just to scared to say.
If you still support Bush after all that has happened, then you are simply an idiot.

Brian:

Idiots are everywhere. A lot of people are simply misinformed or partially informed. Evidnce of Bush's mendacity, incompetence, and malfesence abound, but they aren't going to be fed to us by Channel 2 News, Mike Finley or Bill O'Reilly.

We should take advantage of the opportunity to engage Bush supporters whenever and where ever we can and just keep bringing forth the truth.