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See Jack Straras' letter in today's letters.

Outing of a spy during wartime (don't quibble about what her job was, it doesn't help your argument.) should be a crime that is punished by serious jailtime. If it's Rove or someone else, someone should pay for this with signifigant jailtime. We can't place the bar as low as Mr. Bush has, firing someone only if they are convicted. What kind of standard is that? This would be an excellent time for Bush to polish his moral credentials and show some leadership by agressively making sure that the special procecuter has all the information that is available.

The letter states:"Karl Rove's role in exposing amb.Wilson's wife is still murky,but NO DOUBT remains that Rove's intent was to punish Wilson..." Well which is it Roger? Is it still murky, or no doubt. It is still murky,but to those who seek anything harm the Bush administration,there is no doubt about his guilt.
As far as the uranium ore goes the facts are coming out that Sadam was trying to purchase it from niger. Wilson didn't find out about it because he,like so many others, didn't want to give Bush's liberation of iraq any legitimicy at all.
Also,the Val Gal(a big Gore supporter) had not been out of the country in more than 5 years. This disqualifies her status as "undercover". And I still haven't heard the explanition as for why Wilson lied about the fact that he said Dick Cheney sent him on the "mission" to find out about the ore.

Dawg,

I'm glad you can take it upon yourself to qualify who is a covert agent and who is not. We've left it to the CIA for far too long. What do they know?

Does it matter that the "Val Gal" (who is someone who has served this country faithfully for many a year and deserves some respect for that) is a Gore supporter (is she?)? Last time I checked that wasn't a crime.

While you are rightfully are critisizing the writer for "knowing" Roves intentions you commit the same offense against Joe Wilson and his wife. Bush Sr. seems to be sympathetic with the Wilsons and what happened to them.

Maybe he's a Gore supporter too. (;-}

**yawn** The only folks I know whose panties are in a knot over this allegation are activist dem's, trying to make something out of nothing.

Please keep beating this dead horse. The longer you do is the longer you waste resources and energy that could be used in other much more substantial political attacks.

"The only folks I know whose panties are in a knot over this allegation are activist dem's, trying to make something out of nothing."

**yawn**

Didn't take it upon myself to qualify who is a covert agent. A covert agent is one who is overseas. This is cia policy,not my oponion. Also after they have been back in the us for 5 years,they can no longer be classified as "undercover". This is just a word game the libs are playing in an effort to discredit Bush and his policies, in hopes of gaining some traction after many failed attempts to do so.
Who said the Val was a criminal? I simply stated she was a Gore supporter. She gave a grand to his failed campaign. Just an observance on my part to give a feel as to where these people are coming from.
As for Bush sr.,maybe he is a Gore supporter. Who cares?

" As for Bush sr.,maybe he is a Gore supporter. Who cares?" I agree. Not relevant.

My point on Valarie's politcal orientation. Who cares? Not relevant.

Forget about Valarie, is it good to have people talking about Brewster Jennings & Associates which was what her supposed "real" job was and exposing them as a CIA front? What about their field operatives in the Middle East? As much as you want to make this no big deal, it really is. Whether Rove is connected or not I don't know but this act was wrong and damaged our country.

My point was that her identity was considered secret by the CIA and that should have been the operative position by people with the security clearance to know who she was. Someone didn't honor the trust given to them & we should kick him , her or them out of our government.

And that shouldn't be a liberal or conservative goal, but an American one.

yard dog,
sorry bud, but you are mistaken about the undercover thing. We have numerous CIA undercover agents working right here in America.
During my time in the Navy, I actually got to chat with one while I stood watch onboard ship. He was getting information about what types of sonar intelligence would be good bar fodder for a Chinese spy to try to extract from a drunken sonar technician. And yes, he most definately was undercover.
Please, know what you're talking about before you publish it.

The CIA seems to be the one with their panties in a wad. It is the CIA who has instructed the DOJ to investigate the Plame case. Now why on earth would the CIA instruct the Department of Justice to investigate a regular agent? Why would Fitzgerald, a Bush appointee, investigate for two year and spend all that money if, on the fist day, he found out she was not really covert? The CIA is the one pushing this really hard. The only reason Democrats are interested is we would like to keep our country safe.

See, Novak did two columns. The first one outed Valerie, the second outed Brewster-Jennings. So even if you were right about Valerie not being undercover, I would put forth to you that Brewster-Jennings IS overseas and all of the US citizens that work there are, indeed, undercover.

What is worse is that Brewster-Jennings investigates black market weapons and their specialty is WMDs. The safety of our country has been severely compromised by this outing.

Now I have no idea why Republicans hate our country so much. There are two sides to this. One is they are not demanding an investigation, they keep saying nothing is there. If they are so sure, why not call for a thorough investigation to shut up both the Dems and the CIA?

The other side that I do not understand is why they are not calling for someone's head on a platter. Someone leaked the information to Novak and Novak published it. Now many agents have been compromised. I am not sure how public everyone thought the information was but I can guarantee that my friends and I did not know about it. And anyone who says it was common knowledge, please produce ten regular citizens who knew this and I would like to know what their sources were so we can track this.

Countdown has said that Powell had this memo and it was marked top secret next to Valerie's name. That was when Bush and his crew went to Africa. It was a week or so before Novak wrote his column. So her name was, indeed, marked top secret. If all the Washington crowd knew then we need to trace it because when something is marked top secret then we can not afford to take it lightly. ANYONE who leaks any top secret information should be fired and prosecuted at once. I do not care who it is - democrat or republican.

The fact remains that unless someone is in on an investigation, they can not say nothing is there with any great authority. Bush said that Karl had not been involved and look at what happened, he was.

It has been proven that we can not trust the quotes that the right wing is giving us to cast aspersions on Joe Wilson since Rove wrote an addendum to the intelligence report and they are all quoting that addendum that Rove wrote to prove Rove is innocent and Wilson is just not a nice man.

Why does the right hate our country so much? Why are they not willing to demand an investigation to make sure our country is safe from treason? Why does it not bother them that a whole business was outed? I guess they just do not love their country. I wish republicans were more patriotic.

I couldn't agree more Christina. Well put.

Christina, I don't see the head of the CIA on tv and splattered all over the newspapers calling for an investigation. All I see doing that are liberal democrats,hoping to pin something(anything)on Rove,thereby Bush. All I'm saying is wait until the investagation to run it's course. If Rove is guilty,then by all means, "frog walk" him to jail.
Brian Harper, I have seen it on the cable news shows many times,discussed by retired cia agents about the 5 year limit and the foreign soil aspect of all this. I will take their word for it as they know much more about such things than I and you I suspect.

If the guy in the bar was telling you all this Brian, then one or both of you must have had too much to drink. Why in the name of common sense do you think that a CIA agent would "out" himself to you? That's pure barnyard bovine excrement.
Speak of what you know and know of what you speak, other wise keep silent , you might learn something.

Marshall, Hugh and Yard dog need to get out of their own yards more often. The proof is there if they're willing to open their minds enough to see it.

If you read every link in this post and every linked article in the linked material, you would find it more difficult to hold, I'm sure well-meaning, but misguided opinions.

Christina, really well said. I'll let your post speak for me as well.

Libby,

Expand on how this contradicts anything I've said.

And I'm not sure that Hugh or YD would want to be linked with me in any case (;-}

Libby,Please tell me you are kidding! This article you have guided us to is straight out of the pages of moveon.org. Libby Spencer is about as independant as Michael Moore or Al Gore. How can anyone read this bilge and call it journalism is beyond me. She speaks of the "white house stooges"etc. And you guys call Limbaugh biased.

Don't worry Marshall, Libby was addressing you,not linking you to me. Your reputation is still intact.

mrproduce,
ok man, step back and breathe.

i talked with this guy while i was standing watch onboard ship, not in a bar. i had a secret security clearance and he interviewed me to attain what kinds of information people in his circles needed to look out for.

Geez, read my posts next time before you knee-jerk a comment. It will help you to look less like an idiot in the future.

BH, I wonder about the last paragraph in your last posting!!

" Don't worry Marshall, Libby was addressing you,not linking you to me. Your reputation is still intact.

Snicker,

I never did figure out that whole comma theory thing!

Yard Dog....no, you are right, the head of the CIA is not on television at least none that I watch. But I did not claim the head was on television. I am claiming that this case is being investigated because the CIA asked the DOJ to investigate, not because democrats have clamored for so long that they are now investigating. That is not how this process works.

Any democratic representatives you may have seen on TV are trying to act on our best interest and see that the treason committed on such a wide scale, against our country, does not go gently into that good night.

But make no mistakes about it, no matter who was on TV, the CIA are the ones who went to the DOJ and asked for this particular investigation. Anyone who is angry about this whole affair is only voicing their opinion because they want the best for America.

It is funny, but at least in the circles I run in, I have never heard anyone say, "Hey, let's get Bush by going after Rove". I have not heard that once. Even when my letter to the editor was published I only asked if Bush was going to keep his word and get rid of Rove.I did not ask Bush to step down or be impeached. I did not ask if Rove was going to prosecuted. All I asked was whether Bush was going to keep his word and get rid of anyone connected to the leak.

Now is a good time for a disclaimer I guess. Before anyone says Bush did not say that and I am willing to bet the farm on this, are you? I believe if you look back at my letter you will find the exact quote Bush gave as one of my answers. As one pundit said, Bush didn't just move the goal post when he now says there must be a conviction, he moved the whole stadium.

I would love to see any quotes from the corporate media saying that any head democrat is calling for Bush's head on a platter over this. I do not want Oxycontin's opinions on this because that is all he has, opinions. I want real quotes with an URL.

As far as the investigation running the course, I could point to any number of apparent republicans who post here and just basically say they want the whole thing to drop. Actually, most of the time they yawn and say it is not such a big deal. Well treason and the safety of the US may not be a big deal to them but I assure treason is a big deal to a lot of our citizens, representatives and to our CIA.

So let me ask you yard dog: The CIA seems to think it is a big enough deal to ask for an investigation. Fitzgerald, a Bush appointee, enough deal to investigate for two years. I think we can all agree that outing a whole undercover section of the CIA is treason. Why are you happy to just let the investigation go at it's own course and why are you not worked up and angry that the safety of our country has been put in jeopardy? How many letters or phone calls have you made to your representatives demanding that this investigation continue and they get to the bottom of it? In case you ask, I have made over ten phone calls, numerous emails and more letters to the editor than they will allow published - I do not concentrate only on this paper.

mrproduce...I believe you are right. The guy was either was making the stuff up or he himself was drunk. I know from personal experience. I have someone in my family who has worked in top secret situations. This person was required to sign papers every year stating they would not tell anyone what they did or anything about their job or else they would be put in jail. I tried to get them to talk about it once and they glared at me as they said, "Curiosity killed he cat".

Even years after they retire they are not allowed to tell anyone what they do. I met up with someone else who did the same job as my family member. They had been out of the business for years. I realized they were in the same line of work when this person's locations matched everywhere my family member had worked. I smiled and asked if they were in the same line of work and they smiled knowingly and said yes. Not another word could be gotten from him on this subject. They take their job seriously and the contract to keep quiet even more so.

By the way, a lot of the locations the guy and i talked about were right here in the US including California.

Christina,so the case is being investigated because the cia asked the doj to investigate,right? So what's the problem???? Why all the ranting if they are being investigated???
LET THE INVESTIGATORS DO THEIR JOB AND WE WILL SEE WHERE THE CHIPS FALL!!! If they fall into Karl Rove's lap,so be it!! But let's wait and see before we string him up.

Well if you really want to know what the problem is, I will tell you. Remember you asked, I did not just burst out on a soap box.

I moved to this country many years ago. I have now spent over half my life in the USA. I left a place where all of my medical bills are paid for and you are paid a monthly stipend to have children - something we called a 'baby bonus'. I lived in a place where, by all accounts, you can still leave your door unlocked even to this very day.

I moved here because I was born in US territory and I did have dual citizenship. My father's family lives here and I always admired the US. The US used to be seen as a land of opportunity. I had dreams of becoming this nation's first woman president. I still have my friend's signature's in my year book telling me they better get an invitation to the White House.

I moved here because of all the US seemed to be able to offer. I stayed here because I truly love this country. I still have visions of it's former greatness. Before scientists decided to migrate to other countries where science is valued above religious beliefs. Before people left this country because they could not condone the actions of this administration any longer.

Any ranting I do is because I love my country. Most of the people who read this were born here. I love it so much that I moved here. I love it so much that I rant and rave so that others may hear the truth that is being covered up. Yes,your mainstream media and my corporate media are only now reporting these things and this investigation has been ongoing for over two years. Yeah, they sure jumped all over that one!

I rant and rave because the corporate media has not been doing their job. They do not investigate and find out things such as Rove wrote the addendum that all right wingers are quoting. How many papers actually carried that story besides the Friday dump at the NY times? How many people, in the general population, know that the disinformation is coming from Rove himself when the intelligence report is being quoted? How many people know that only there people signed off on it? That is less than a quarter of the people on the intelligence committee.

I rant and rave so that the information will get out and it will not be buried. I rant and rave because I love my country. I rant and rave because people must (and should) know the truth about everything.

I call Burr and Dole because I want to make sure they know how important this is. I wrote the editor so that others may know what I know. I respond here to battle the gross disinformation that has been dispersed.

The question here should not be why I am ranting and raving,but why others are not up in arms and wondering why this happened and why our politicians are not so concerned about such a big security leak. I have never heard anyone wonder why someone is worked up over a scandal of this huge a magnitude but I do have to wonder why some people are not worked up. I just have to wonder how much they love this country.

Oh,why didn't you say so? Just kidding!
Look if you believe that all the liberal democrats that are jumping on the lynch Rove bandwagon have ONLY the best interests of this country at heart, you need to take off the blinders. These people have one agenda:to regain their power at ANY cost and if you can't admit that to yourself you are naive to the Nth power.
Granted,the republicans are power hungry too, but for you to act as if the liberals are truly after the truth and only the truth...Give me a break!
You came from a country "where all your medical bills were paid for". Hey, This means somebody else was paying for them! That is the defination of socialism.(a mild form of communism) This at least explains your loyalty to the socialist democrats.
"I still have visions of it's former greatness". apparently you no longer view it as great.Pity. "Before people left this country that could no longer condone the actions of this administration". So,people are leaving in droves to flee Bush,eh? Here's a suggestion: Try Iran. Syria,maybe? See how many letters to the editor or phone calls to your reps. you can make there.
"The question here should not be why you are ranting and raving,but why other are not?" Others are,they are doing for entirely different reasons: They want their power back! "A scandal of this magnitude"? Again, Gimme a break! It was common knowledge in DC that Val worked for the cia. Quote me your friends with the little smile and nod of the head all you want,you will never convince me differently. Everyone knew who she was and her husband was(is) a partisan hack.
One more thing if the Bush regime is so depressing,go join you scientist friends.

Christina, I had decided to devote my energies to helping Hillary but if you throw your hat in the ring, I'll support you! England recognized the benefits of a strong woman in a powerful position years ago. It's past time the US caught up.

Sorry guys, I meant you should read the linked articles at the middle links. Just my dyslexia kicking in. In any event, they just back up everything Christina is saying.

The CIA is not all over the TV because the so called liberal media don't give them the time. They have been on the political talk shows however and there's no doubt that someone in the White House compromised the national security.

The proof exists that our government lied to us but you're not going to see it on mainstream TV. You have to go search it out yourself but it is out there in dozens of different sources.

So look at it and then tell me if you don't think it's time for us to put aside partisan politics and join together as fellow Americans and ask for accountability?

And by the way, I don't know any of you well enough to make implications about how close you are to each other. ;-} v

Yard Dog....The one thing that is still great about this country is that we still have free speech. I truly respect your right to free speech even if it is to tell me to leave your country. Thank you for using a tool that so many people died for. I wish more republicans would use that tool and perhaps speak up to make sure this investigation is ongoing. You are truly a patriot when you use free speech.

The country I grew up in was Canada. I do know that the baby bonus was a socialist program of sorts but I do not think Canada is recognized as a socialist country in the broad spectrum of the world.

As I stated in my earlier post, the reason I speak up, and thus the reason why I do not leave, is that I love this country. That is why I speak out because anything that would smear the reputation of this country wounds my heart and saddens me.

I read, with much sadness, that the CIA explained it was not just Brewster-Jennings, it;s agents, or Valerie Plame that were effected by this act of treason. The CIA explained that they recruit many foreigners to help in their efforts. They explained that even with cleaning up this mess, the foreigners will still be hesitant to help since they feel they could be outed. I am sure you know what that would mean to a double agent who is caught in their country. At best that may mean prison but at worst it could be the death of the agent as well as their family. The complications of this act of treason are so far reaching that it is impossible to fully know all of it's effects.

I have thought of leaving but that is the reason I stay. It is like the instance where I had to decide whether or not I should add more democratic stickers to my car after someone tried to run me off the road (thank you sir in the white SUV whose license plate reads 'snailmail') for having just a couple. I could have died and adding more meant I do so at my own risk. As I hovered over my car trying to decided whether I should or should not add a few extras I realized that that was all the reason I needed to do so.

To not add those extra stickers would mean many things. It would mean that our country does not have the free speech it once did. It would mean that if I did not apply these stickers that I would be the one responsible for a little bit of democracy dying on that day.

It would mean that bullies have won.

It would mean I am weak and that I gave in rather than doing what is right.

My love for my country is the reason I put those stickers on my car. My love for my country is why I simply can not abandon it and leave the fight for others. What happens when all of those who love freedom leave and there is nothing left of freedom for those who are left behind.

Simply? I am staying for you, Yard Dog. I am staying because of what I believe in to the depths of my soul and how I will not abandon you or others when I have such a wonderful vision of what our country is capable of.

I understand why you must lash out, at me in your post, but know that I am here and I am not leaving. You may say what you want to me but I will do what is right and what is just. This is not the first fight I have had where I had to lose much personally to do what is right and I am sure it is not the last. The true measure of a human being is how far they are willing to go to do what is right at a price to themselves.

Please keep using your free speech. The more people are allowed to use it, the more chance there is that it will stay around for many more years to come.

Yvonne...you are very kind. At one point I may have had political aspirations but now I am a mom. I try hard to raise my children properly and as much trouble as the other side may have comprehending this, I love to stay home with my children. I will not have anyone else raise them and I am lucky I am afforded the luxury of taking on the task myself. I know they believe that is a right wing notion of the stay at home mom but isn't that a wonderful example of how we can co-mingle all of our ideas and become a much better society?

I personally do not care who gets into office as long as it is the best one who will look out for all of us.

I will continue to refute your statement's Brian , in a bar or on a ship for I am certainly not an idiot in these matters. It would certainly be amazing if indeed the CIA would send someone so uninformed as to what to look type of information to look for as"'bar fodder" for the Chinese. Navy Intelligence maybe? An individual employed by the CIA to discover such things as you described would certainly be trained to know what to listen for an not have to ask anyone and wouldn't be discussing it casually with anyone. As to a secret security clearance, it would not matter if you were TS.
Come on Brian, you don't really think that people here are so uninformed as to believe that a CIA operative would do such a thing?
I just read your post to a retired CIA Operations Officer, former college mate , military buddy and prot�g�, and he laughed his butt off. He asked if perhaps you might have bumped your head once too often on the floor of the head. :-(

Sorry Brian, on this one , you are hung out like a wet sheet.

I wish you well Brian but do speak more of what you know and do think twice before calling someone an idiot. Most on here have risen above such things.

As far as endangering others with BJA I believe this might shed some light on the subject. Also please note the last paragraph which is a statement of a former CIA chief. I don't beleive it gives much credence to the statements that Plames "outing" would endanger overseas operatives.

Concerning the Building in Boston where BJA was located:

While the renovated building houses legal and investment firms, current and former building managers said they've never heard of Brewster Jennings. Nor did the firm file the state and local records expected of most businesses.

Both factors would have aroused the suspicions of anyone who tried to check up on Brewster Jennings, said David Armstrong, an Andover researcher for the Public Education Center, a liberal Washington think tank.

At the least, a dummy company ought to create the appearance of activity, with an office and a valid mailing address, he said. "A cover that falls apart on first inspection isn't very good. What you want is a cover that actually holds up . . . and this one certainly doesn't."

A spokeswoman for Dun & Bradstreet Inc., a New Jersey operator of commercial databases, said Brewster Jennings was first entered into its records on May 22, 1994, but wouldn't discuss the source of the filing. Its records list the company at 101 Arch St. as a "legal services office," which could mean a law firm, with annual sales of $60,000, one employee, and a chief executive identified as "Victor Brewster, Partner."

Vince Cannistraro, the CIA's former counterterrorism chief, said that when operating undercover outside the United States, Plame would have had a real job with a more legitimate company. The Boston company "is not an indicator of what she did overseas," he said.

I'm still waiting to see if the CIA didn't "out" her. Interesting thought isn't it?

mrproduce...links? Thanks.

mrproduce, you and other conservative thinkers are completely missing the point. As you quibble and nitpick about legal technicalities, the Administration continues its cover-up about their role in deceiving Congress and the American people about the war in Iraq. That's what this story is ultimately about -- one man who stepped forward and exposed the truth about our rush to war, and who was ultimately punished for it by Bush's chief hatchet man. It is about how little respect the Bush team has for true American ideals -- and the lengths they will go to keep their dirty little secret.

Clearly, the CIA was concerned enough about the details of the Plame outing to press the DOJ for a criminal conviction. By their own assertions, BJA was a valid front company, and Valerie Plame was indeed a NOC agent. Anything else you can opine about the legitimacy of these charges is insignificant speculation in the face of the ongoing criminal investigation.

Enough people with a far sharper legal mind than you and I -- including Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor, and U.S. Thomas F. Hogan -- believe this is a criminal matter, and those are the opinions I would believe.

Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors. -- George Herbert Walker Bush, 1999

mr produce,
sorry son, but you're wrong about this. don't really care if you believe me or not, doesn't really matter to me.

Christina, the "baby bonus" you speak of is available here,also. Here we call it welfare. Your reply explains nothing. "I'm staying for you,yard dog". "My love of country". "democratic bumper stickers". No substance,just left wing socialist babble. You are free to say what you want here. Canada is a socialist country. "Free" health care etc. but you pay for this in loss of freedom .(higher taxes)
"I personally do not care who gets into office as long as they look out for us". This is the socialist mentality so evident in liberals. (We'll pay all the taxes you can heap on us just take care of us,please".
"I understand why you must lash out in your post". I was not lashing out. I was stating my feelings. Anyone who does not join hands and sing "kumbya" with you guys are accused of lashing out.
As for your political aspirations,go ahead and run. It still is a free country and Bush is doing his best to keep it that way.

mrproduce,when you "out" the liberals that is when the childish defense of name calling kicks in. That is what happened to Karl Rove. He "outed"the liberal reaction to 9/11.

Today's Novak column. Plame and Wilson "outed" her themselves!

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/3290018

Game Over! Bush/Rove haters lose another attempted smear campaign!

I'm just sittin' and waitin' to see what "scandal" the liberals will invent next to try and destroy the Bush administration.
Shouldn't be long, now that the Plame thing has been debunked and shown to be just more liberal BS.

"A liberal with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude."

The decietful and dishonest attack campaigns designed to smear and discredit the current administration are a visible symptom of the moral corruption within the democratic party.

This Rove/Plame attempt has to be one of the dirtiest and yet illogically conceived of them all.

Time for them to moveon to the next smear de jour.

Really, I mean the last time there was this much deceit in the Whit House was when Bush Sr. was in office.

Republicans should be ashamed of themselves!

Yard dog.....I do not think you have the baby bonus here. I have not seen it in all the years I have been here. The baby bonus of which I speak was and is to encourage people to reproduce. Every single person who has a child gets one. With multiple children, of course, you get more. It is because our island has never truly been heavily populated and it was to encourage people to procreate so that the island would thrive. Please correct me if I am wrong but there is no program like that for the entire population of the US.If so, I have been missing out for all these years with my children and the government owes me big time.

I am sorry you feel it is babble when I tried to open my heart to you and speak the truth. But as I did last time, I refuse to address issues with someone who appears to be attacking me,or at the very least has no respect for me. Even if I did not understand what you had to say I would let you know that I still respect you in saying something like, "I read and re-read your post but perhaps I did not understand it. Could you please, again explain why you are staying?" It is much better than saying the person babbles. I still respect your right to free speech though and keep that aspect up.

Hugh....Novak was, in part quoiting his own column. If you noticed , the only thing he actually put exact quotes around was one word. And if you also notice some of Novak's rantings you will see that he defends everything without real evidence. For instance, he said that no one gave him information for a smear campaign. So now he is Miss Cleo and can read minds? Well if he had just stated that to start with then it all would have been over a long time ago. Of course Novak can not read the leak's mind. What did they do, come to him and say, "Now I am telling you this but please note it is not part of any smear campaign? Give me a break, Novak.

I did not see the headlines in the paper where Fitzgerald has dropped the case and everything has been debunked. Remember, if Novak is a part of this and he leaked top secret information, he has a lot to loose which means he can lie with the best of them. Novak has a reason to cover but Fitzgerald, a Bush appointee, does not and he is still investigating.

When someone thinks and attack is illogical why do they hate Bush so much? Do they think Bush does not know how to appoint someone? Do they feel he appointed someone stupid?Are they really calling for an end to the CIA who requested this investigation due to the implications? Why does everyone hate Bush, The CIA and Bush's appointees?

Why do all liberals hate America?

All liberals are filthy, baby-killing, inbred scum that get pleasure from watching US soldiers die on TV.

Get out of my country!

Hugh,

Robert Novak is a Bush White House Shill.

Ever heard of Payola? Look it up. Bob Novak's name will be there.

You conservatives can't seem to understand that your president HATES America. His self-interest is more important than you, or your freedom.

But, that's what happens in the party of Greed.

Larry Porter,

Them's mighty big words for such a small man.

Last I checked, the Liberals were fighting to restore Budget cuts Your AWOL President heaped upon the VA.

Thats how they show support for soldiers. Unlike your President, who instituted higher co-pays, and budget cuts,to the current VA Medical system.

You need to get your head out of Karl Rove's lap for a moment and stop listening to DoperLimbaugh long enough to come around to REALITY.

Well, I've received the highest form of flattery, somone has posted trash using my name.

Jim, I bet you think the media is conservative also.

The jig is up. Wilson will be outed for the liar that he is, Rove will be exonerated and Howard dean's head will explode in anger at another failed smear.

This is the most inept bunch of democrats in power positions since the Jimmy Carter era.

I seem to recall that President Bush had his "panties in a knot" when this story first broke. Far from minimizing it and saying, "let's wait for an investigation" or "let's wait for all the facts to come in," he felt that the matter was clearly serious enough that he would "fire" anyone in his administration who was involved in the scandal. It is only after finding out that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby were involved that he and his fellow Republicans invoked a revisionist view declaring the whole matter much to do about nothing. If a Democrat were involved in exactly the same situation, Republicans would be calling for his or her head on a platter. Right-wing Republicans act as though they own the moral high ground, but their actions in matters such as this and Iran-Contra reveal them for the hypocrites/neo-Pharisees that they really are.

Christina, I believe we do have the baby bonus here. We just call it by different names. The people here that are on the government dole (welfare) gets an increase in their monthly check every time they "procreate". Get it? It has nothing to do with an underpopulated island,it has to do with increasing the check every month.Comprendea? I'm typing r e a l s l o w so you won't think I'm attacking you.ok? My point is this:we have our share of socialism here in the good ol usa,but ours if foisted upon us by the liberals. Not by choice. ok? That is all. We have gotten way off subject here and I appoligize if I offended. Twas not my intent.
Oh, it does look as if The Val Gal and Wilson outed themselves, sorry. Novack has much more to say on this subject,but not at this moment. peace,love.

If I start to sound like a lib,it's a counterfit post. Someone is using my name.

I see someone else is using my name as well, yard dog. Seems we have a troll here.

I was about to jump all over Larry Porters post! Ahhh...pretty funny.

Next someone will use my name and have me declare my love for Bush. lol.

"Why does everyone hate Bush, The CIA and Bush's appointees?"

Everyone=democrat operatives and media helpers.

I think it should be a requirement that all reporters have a (r),(d) or (i) beside their name when reporting. That way the masses would understand the nonsense better.

Yard dog...there is a big difference between welfare and a baby bonus and maybe I was not making that clear. They are not the same thing. Welfare if given to those, even without children if I am correct. But it is given to those in a certain socio-economic group and no one else.

In Newfoundland we never had a huge population. To this day that is still true. A great amount of our land is still unpopulated. The government set about to figure a solution so that our province would survive. Of course our people were hardy because most of the population hail from Ireland and England. We were used to harsh winters and perhaps not having the biggest variety of food.

But Newfoundland is an island and a lot of us made our living from fishing. That is also how a lot of people ate. It was expensive to bring items over from the mainland because it would either have to be shipped or flown in. This made everything on the island more expensive.

The government wanted our province to flourish. The idea they came up with is to pay people to have children. Money is a great incentive for a lot of people and considering most of our ancestors were Catholic, it was natural that they would want to reproduce anyway. They made an offer to all of our citizens, procreate and we will give you money. You only make $5 an hour? We will give you money! Newfoundland, at least at one point, had more millionaires per square mile than any other province so the following also applies : You make 10 million a year? We will pay you to have kids. Please, we are begging you to go forth and multiply.

I see welfare as a social program to take care of the poor and needy. A baby bonus is given to every parent every month no matter how much you make. Welfare comes after the need is shown. A baby bonus happens no matter what your need of lack thereof.

Is that clear? I really seem to not be able to communicate with yo and I truly want to be clear in what I am saying.

I don;t care who took over your name ;) Peace and love to you as well.

Christina, understood.
I care who took over my name. Some will think I've gotten over my lobomoty.

Christina, I apologize for not including the link. It was something I ran across when I put in Brewster-Jennings and ran a search just to see what was there. Wish I had kept the link now. I am sure that you can find it if you wish. There was more to it than what I pulled , basically the size of the building, who else was located there and cost figures. Didn't figure the other stuff was worth taking up the space to print. I am sure you can find it by doing what I did. Oh, there were some links there but they were basically non- existent or spaces to comment. Thanks for the reminder.

mojo, I don't beleive I made any statement one way or the other concerning this affair. I posted a part of a link found under Brewster-Jennings and I beleive part of the article included a quote from a liberal researcher by the name of David Armstrong. I can not see how one can get anything about a conservative view point from the post. I ended the post with a simple question, a thought to ponder, even though it is very difficult, I am finding, for some people to ponder their next sentence unless it is to make some negative remark about someones post. Perhaps you should go back and read what I posted again and see if you find a conservative slant to it. I have yet to this point taken a side in this matter and I will not until ALL the evidence is in and the a verdict is pronounced. As of this time I have not seen evidence that this matter has been brought to completion except in the minds of some who post here and on other blogs.

Yard stealing a name is bad, making you look like a liberal is worse but actually impossible. haha. We also have some here who are attempting to send spam because they do not like certain post. Fortunately my system will stop it and flag it as such so I can then go back and determine who is sending it. I ignore such childish actions since they evidently don't know that junk can be blocked and then traced with the right equipment. Thanks to my wife and son, the puter whizzes in the family, all the latest is installed on our puters.

Sorry for butting in on this liberal heart attack and hand wringing of the poor left wing!!

The whole story is simple; the liberal dems at State, the liberal dems at CIA, and the liberal dems at Justice are getting together and teaming up against TRUTH.

Those that support them...are jumping on the band wagon. They say; "don't worry about the mule going blind, just load the wagon". An extreme case of the blind leading the blind!

It's a shame that "this thing" goes on every day on many different stories. They hitch the wagon up by having the mule face the wagon!

We can tell they aren't going anywhere! We know we are winning!

The TRUTH is always short and to the point.

Sorry Billy the CIA is hardly a liberal dem organization. A patriotic one perhaps but certainly not as you call it. Sorry to bust ya bubble on that issue.

Christina, can we send all of our illegals to Newfoundland to go forth & multiply? Does the baby bonus only apply to married couples or does a mom get the bonus by having children out of wedlock with multiple guys?

By the way, been to Labrador once, beautiful place and the only time I've seen snow in June. Ever been to Churchill Falls? As the guy said "we have 3 seasons, July, August and Winter"!