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During the Clinton years we experienced drought in our on back yard, floods up and down the Mississippi river and several hurricanes in our own state and you liberals called it EL-Nino but now its global warming. What Gives?

Signing a piece of paper will do nothing to stop "Katrina's" when the newly developing nations are the ones who are now and will be polluting the atomosphere because the agreement does nothing but penalize the developed nations who already are spending millions to clean up.

NOAA reports that the Gulf waters warm at a recurring cycle of about every ten years and have been doing so for centuries. Could you explain how the lack of a piece of paper could have caused that?

'the newly developing nations are the ones who are now and will be polluting the atomosphere'

Here's some visual evidence to support this statement.

Global air pollution map produced by Envisat's SCIAMACHY.

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The image shows the global mean tropospheric nitrogen dioxide (NO2) vertical column density (VCD) between January 2003 and June 2004, as measured by the SCIAMACHY instrument on ESA's Envisat. The scale is in 1015 molecules/cm-2. Image produced by S. Beirle, U. Platt and T. Wagner of the University of Heidelberg's Institute for Environmental Physics.

"Signing a piece of paper will do nothing to stop "Katrina's" when the newly developing nations are the ones who are now and will be polluting the atomosphere because the agreement does nothing but penalize the developed nations who already are spending millions to clean up."

Amen! Kyoto needs to be fixed & signed. This worlds environment can't stand 20 American style economies which is where it is headed. China doesn't need or deserve a bye on this. Until then we need to develop stricter unilateral policies on emissions. It's time for America to step up & lead. We can't preach unless we practice.

heelsluva,

There has NEVER been a natural disaster to rival Katrina according to all reports. But we liberals have been calling it global warming for a long time. You guys put your own spin on it.

Bottom line, though, it really doesn't matter what it's called. It is horrorific and a damn shame we, as a nation, have responded so slowly to such human suffering in our own country.

Yvonne, have you made your donations yet? I did last Wednesday to the Red Cross and Franklin Graham Jrs SamaritansPurse

Are you kidding me??? Responding so slowly??? What about the local and state government having a plan!! For years and years it has been pointed out that New Orleans was under sea level!! What idiot would build a town under sea level!! They knew the possiblity of such a disaster!! They should have had a better evacuation plan in place!! The state officals could have used school buses, taxi's, public transportion, etc. to evacute folks prior to this disaster!! Folks could have helped their neighbors evacuate!! As for the homeless, the state could have helped the homeless before this happened and some of the homeless could have helped themselves! If a lot of those folks weren't going through detox this week they could have pulled together like Americans are supposed to in hard times instead of acting like idiots, raping woman, shooting at folks that are trying to help them, starting fires, and looting!!! I understanding folks taking bottled drinks or food in an emergency but TV's, Jewelry, and designer handbags!!! Then the Mayor and others have the nerve to say President Bush didn't respond fast enough!! What did the Mayor get paid for! To host the Mardi Gras Parade!!! What did the governor get paid to do! What about the policemen that are sworn to serve and protect!!

Funny, years ago the left wing whackos were screaming, "Stop global cooling!" Now the same whackos scream, "Stop global warming!"
How about just stopping the liberal whackos?

Should we have a plan and spend millions and millions of dollars to feed, house, and evacuate 300,000 people in the Triad because something "might possibly" happen?
No one could possibly have predicted the magnitude of this disaster. Thank goodness, President Bush got the disaster relief in full swing BEFORE the storm even hit New Orleans.
Common sense (which you guys seem short on) tells you that it takes a lot of time and energy to rescue 50,000 welfare recipients who are totally unable to think for themselves or do anything to help themselves. They're like children, you can't corral them all at one time when they don't listen.

Jackie, I had a sarcastic response typed out but decided you deserved empathy instead. Your post reminds me of people who blame rape victims for getting raped. To even insinuate the people of NO, especially the poor, are at fault for the situation they are in is unimaginable. Just because they lived in a place below sea level and had no way of knowing the levees would not hold is no reason to blame them for Katrina or the aftermath.

I sincerely hope you rethink your lack of empathy and never find yourself needing help because of something someone else may think stupidity.

Bush is the commander-in-chief and the one to call the shots in a natural disaster. He, once again, dropped the ball and tried to lay the blame at the feet of others (much like you are doing). It's amazing to me that he didn't stand on protocol before he declared war aganist Iraq but in a natural disaster wants to lay the blame at the feet of others because of protocol.

Dan, Does my criticism of the delayed response have merit only if I have made a donation? You see, I thought I was expressing a legitimate concern, not whining. I am sorry you chose to see it in a negative light. Of course, it is exactly what I expect anytime anyone utters anything but praise for Bush.

My paltry $100 donation out of this paycheck and another $100 earmarked out of the next one (in two weeks) may not meet your requirement but perhaps someone in LA or MS will appreciate it. And I have requested to be able to take vacation time to go there to help out in a medical capacity. It is not looking good because we have to request time off twelve weeks in advance. Plus, our hospital is so small it is hard to find coverage on such short notice. But I have faith that God will use me in whatever way He sees fit.

Jackie and Larry,

People like you are what is wrong with this country. You are judging thousands of victims based upon the actions of a few and insulting them as well. Both local and national governments have dropped the ball on this one and although I agree wholeheartedly itwould have made more sense to send buses to evacuate the poor, sick and needy when they issued the evacuation notice, 24 hours is not enough time to inact a plan and get that many people out. Flights were canceled, there were no more rental cars and gas stations were out of gas, and if you were a person that lived paycheck to paycheck, well you were in deep trouble. People were going to get stuck there and Federal organizations such as FEMA and the Red Cross were created so our fellow Americans wouldnt have to live in third world conditions. But I guess you all simply see them as "homeless" in "detox" or as "welfare recipients" instead of fellow human beings. And as far as the comment of new orleans location and why they would have a city there---why do people live in California (earthquakes, mudslides), The midwest (tornadoes), near any forest (fire) or any coast (hurricanes). Natural disasters happen everywhere and it is quite pathetic to blame victims from choosing to live there. There would be no safe place! Did you two blame September 11 victims for choosing to work in a building that was a known terrorist target? God I hope not! If being liberal or a "left wing wacko", means that I actually give a da#n about the victims when bad things happen, then I have never been more proud, because right now it seems that being a right winger means that you support the people in power who left the ones who needed them most behind and ignores the obvious mistakes that anyone in their party played a role in. And for everyone else reading, just continue to do what you can---give blood, donate money, ask questions and at the least, just show compassion, something that Jackie and Larry seem to lack.

K, good thoughts and perspective.

Should one not have money to give, remember, blood is a gift as well as time. Even prayer is a gift.

Holding those affected by this catostrophic disaster in the Light can produce wonder.

Shalom

I can say yep to that K. Those two managed to sink pretty low. Guess they figure the old and helpless just need to die anyhow. , ya reckon?
Good move Yvonne, you'd be surprised how much 100 bucks can buy in situations like this.
We have a team going first of the week for medical work. They would have been there sooner but they just returned from Ethiopia Wish I could be a part of them but the Doc, say's nope , not with all the infectious stuff there. Guess I will do as you have and send some money with them and do a lot of praying.

The most glaring component of the "welfare victims" in New Orleans was their overwhelming refusal to do anything for themselves. They acknowledged that they knew they should leave town. Some said they didn't worry, or they didn't think it would be a problem, or they didn't have time, or they were waiting for the government to do it for them, just as they rely on our tax/welfare dollars to fund their lives for geneerations.
I'm as compassionate as the next man, but let's put some of this blame where it belongs...on the folks who will not do anything for themselves. Let's face it, the welfare system has created several generations of people who are leeches, who rely on the government for everything and get mad when they aren't catered to. They have no initiative, no self-reliance, and no desire to do anything for themselves. Drinking, crack cocaine, and sex seems to be their daily routine. No wonder there're so many of them!
I'd venture to say, Mr. k, that I'm maligning the very few that aren't that way, rather than the other way around.
Did you see what they did to the Superdome? For hundreds of years poor black folks have wanted to be on their own, without the "yoke" of white oppression. Well, they got their way, and look and see how they handled it. The urinated and defecated where they sat, got drunk and high, fornicated next to old women and children, and fought each other with deadly weapons. No rules, no self-discipline, no regard for each other. They looked like monkies in the zoo when the zookeeper went on vacation.
I heard one woman say, "And all they give us to drink is water!" Well, excuuuuuuuse me, I'll call Jeeves to bring you a gin and tonic.

Larry-

Many were too poor to leave-no cars, money, etc, not to mention the city had gas shortages created by the mass exodus. And some wanted to stay to protect what little they had. And your reports of drug use and violence are isolated incidents, and as far as the bathroom situation---THERE ARE NONE-there is no water to flush and after the first few days the bathrooms cannot function as such and people have to go where they can. I have been watching the news nonstop for days and have seen reports of some violence, some unsanitary conditions due to lack of facilities. Apparently from those reports you have made up stories of people urinating and deficating onto thier neighbors (where do you propose thousands of people surrounded by filthy water use the bathroom), and turned one report of rape into people "fornicating next to old women and children". You are seeing what you want to see and judging thousands by the actions of many. You are not compassionate-you are racist (it is quite obvious in your second post that you have an axe to grind and are using this tragedy as some sort of self fullfilling prophecy) and callous. You have no idea how many of the stranded live on welfare, or if like many Americans (black and white) they just live pay check to pay check and have little options when tragedy strikes. I would also like to enlighted you to the fact that the majority of welfare recipients are single, white mothers living in rural areas (read up on your statistics)-would you be judging them this way if there was a disaster and thousands of white people were stranded? I doubt that you can HONESTLY say so. None of us knows what we would do after 5 days without water or food, or having to sit next to dead bodies, without having a shower and having to deficate without privacy. Residents were told to go to the superdome on Sunday because it was thought to be a safe refuge. Until 1.5 days ago there was not much for them to drink or eat. The city is surrounded in water and I dont care who you are, there is little chance you can get out without help.
Frankly, I am appalled that people like you exist. For you the poor are less than human and deserve to be where they are. For you victims of a tragedy put themselves there and do not deserve to be helped. For you compassion is something you hold only for those you deem worthly. Thank goodness there are less Larrys and more Yvonnes, Darryls, and mrproduces out there.

Like it or not, Mr. k, what I said is verifiable by news reports.
No one sat next to dead bodies in the 'Dome. They carted them outside or put them in the bathrooms.
People were walking in feces everywhere, numerous reports of people just droppig their pants next to others and evacuating themselves.
Monkies in a cage.

Let me post something just for you, Mr. k.
This is from a friend of mine, I got it today:

"Well, got back last night. There really wasn't much I could do, worked a distribution center, traffic detail and responded to a few looting calls. I rode with a Gulfport PD officer.
I was truly shocked at how many people who lived right on the Gulf did not evacuate (HELLO,IVAN,DU-UH). These weren't poor folks, quite the opposite. SAR found a number of their bodies in oak trees as they got stuck there as the storm surge swept out.
No power, running water, landline/cellphones or cool breezes.
I went to the airport. A number of airline agents were living there as they have no homes. When I arrived the Airline workers told me that they had about 100 "refugees" from a low-income housing complex the next block over. The workers said that they tried to make the refugees some sandwiches as there wasn't any power to cook with. So after they make about 100 ham and cheese sandwiches and dig up several six-packs of canned fruit juice, they serve it up. Instead of thanks or any gratitude, the airline employees were asked "Is this all you got?" and actually had a few of the little a**holes take one bite of the sandwich, snivel "this sandwich is dry" and THROW IT IN THE TRASH.
The six packs were gone in about 30 seconds as the first people in line just took the whole thing instead of a single can. Needless to say, the airline folks were upset as they were helping out on their own time. Nothing like working in a dark , hot kitchen for an hour and then getting cussed at by a 17 year old punk because you didn't make the sandwich to his liking. Before the end of the day, Gulfport PD "directed" the herd to a local shelter as they had become highly vocal about the "mistreatment" they were being subjected to.
I think the only upshot is that some of the airline employees were liberals and probably learned a life lesson that most conservatives seem to already know. People don't appreciate things that are given to them just the things they have to earn. People that live their whole life on government subsidy appreciate neither the things that are given to them or the labor of taxpayers who earn that money for them."

That's from someone on the scene.

K., the idiot mayor of NO let 100s of parish owned buses sit in the lot and become usless when they were partially submerged in the flood. Duh, these could have been used to take the straglers to higher ground before the storm arrived.

BTW Gov. Blanco is a blank.

The Prez. has done a superb job and so has FEMA . The left wing whackos and their friends in the MSM are trying to politicize this disaster.Geraldo had a meltdown on live TV Friday night.

The Times-Picayune did a story in 2002 ( Washing Away ) on the risk of NO being hit with a cat 4/5 hurricane. Very prescient. A current article in National Geographic says it will take 20-25 years to build levees that will prevent sush a reoccurence of what we are now witnessing.

Larry Porter is not being PC but he is damn well right.

Larry, Your friend is as racial and bigoted as you. To judge scores of people by the actions of some is unfair, uncharitable and mean-spirited. It is not the teachings of Christ.

Marion, Like Jackie and Larry, you are buying into a bunch of BS. Blaming the victims of this disaster for their own plight is nonsense. Remember you will reap what you sow.

Larry Porter: Maybe we should just shoot the poor bastards ... huh?

Wait -- let's sign 'em up the the Army - heck that's way better - we can brag about our all volunter Army and heck if an IED get's 'em, that's one less buller we'd have to waste and ....

... ok, clearly there's a lot of scum ... forgive my sarcasm ... but what would YOU do, Mr. Porter?

Yvonne,
Larry's friend didn't mention anything about race. Who's being judgmental?

Folks,
Please give some thought to what you are saying.
The problem as I see it was the press was to buzy looking to blame someone, than looking for ways to help.How many times did you see Jessee Jackson on tv daming the Bush people.Did good ole JJ offer any solutions?? Hell he can not make money,unless he stirring up chit.So please use our engery trying to help these folks, we can fight later. If you have no money, maybe you can help with some labor, are give a pint of blood.

Ah, Yvonne, with the practiced, rote liberal response: "It's not their fault."
Well, that's funny, because you blame America for being attacked by terrorists: "It's America's fault."
So you adjust your liberal response to whichever will harm the most people that you love to hate? So how come you think you know more about what's going on than someone on the scene who has seen this first hand?
Such a good little liberal you are, you can sit at home and watch the liberals on TV and KNOW what's really going on, can't you? Such ignorance is the true hallmark of a liberal, as proven time and time again.
The people down in N.O. acting as in the firsthand report I posted here is the NORM, not the exception. They are animals, no one, and I mean non one, can possibly conclude anything differently if they are there and see what's going on.

and larry-Im a woman----you are all about making assumptions in every scenario arent you? You hear one story from "someone of the scene" involving one group of people and are judging thousands. Stop judging these people and just show compassion. Right now we need to help them not blame them for being poor.

By the way, Yvonne, my friend did not identify the race of the people involved in this incident.
You read it and assumed they were black, didn't you? You "pre-judged" didn't you? That's called "prejudice."
Your racial insensitivity is showing, Yvonne. Deep down, you know they were black from the way they were acting, don't you?
You are such a hypocrite.

Larry-you are not there, you have a "friend" giving you first hand reports that may or may not be exaggeratted and you are still calling these people "aninmals". Larry, how would you feel if you worked hard every day at a minimum wage job that barely sustained your life or your families. Your government told you to evacuate, but you had no means of transportation (like many city dwellers across this nation) and no money in savings. The government told you and thousands like you to go to the superdome and seek refuge so you do so. It sustains damage in the storm, there is no power, food and water run short and the bathrooms become unusable because of the sheer volume of people having to use them. The city is covered in water and your government tells you to stay put, help is on the way. You are hot, dirty, hungry and thirsty and not just for one day, but for days. Add in the fact that you have lost all your belongings and are worried about family and friends that you have no way of communicating with. I guess you Larry, would sit quietly, not at all angry or frustrated and be fine with it. I am sure that you are going to reply that you would have gotten out of the city---so because you have a job that pays more you must be a better person. A life is a life Larry, you have no idea how you would act if you had to starve and dehydrate because you were stuck. These people simply need our help and you are the one sitting in front of your tv claiming to "know" what is going on from miles away. One eyewitness acount from one group doesnt make you an expert. I have heard first hand accounts too-and most say that everyone is actually over reporting violence,etc. In fact, policeman went with them and helped them loot! You are the one who is ignorant-if they are poor they must be on welfare or drug additcts or "animals" according to you. Most people in this country, thankfully, realize the magnitude of this situation is worse than anything we have ever seen and feel compassion for lose left behind-as evident in the amount of money being donated!

Yvonne,

Are you calling Larry a racist ? Me too ? You are as bad as Deena Hayes and Skippy Alston e.g. if you disagree with them you are called the R word. Although you did say " racial " , I assume you meant racist.

You missed my point . The Mayor and the Governor are equally responsible for the mess.The record is pretty clear on that but the MSM wants to blame Bush and are doing so. The levee that broke had just been upgraded. National Geographic current issue gives an estimate of 20 to 25 years to make the system of dikes capable of withstanding a cat4/5 hurricane. So stop all the Bush bashing already.

So, Yvonne, your standard is judging people by the teachings of Christ. How about the following examples ? Do they measure up to your ideals ?

There has been a lot of hysterical posturing from the " reality-based community" such as the assinine chrage that Haley Barber's role in not having the US sign on to that stupid Kyoto protocol, caused Katrina. Kennedy is a moonbat.

But perhaps the most breathtakingly irresposible comment was made by the Rev Jesse Jackson to the NY Times: " Many black people feel that their race, their property conditions and their voting patterns have been a factor in the response "

If Howard dean told you that the evil Bush used a machine devised by Halliburton to suck the storm towards NO , I suppose you would find that believable. After all he has suggested Bush knew about 9/11 in advance .

The situation in New Orleans is a direct result of failed social programs that force dependency on the tax-payers. The whole political land-scape of New Orleans is about as incompetent as it gets except for Guilford County commissioners.I saw Florida get hit with 4 major hurricanes last year and the coast of Miss. and Ala. suffered a hell of alot more than New Orleans but no one cares about them because they are a working-class whose wages will be garnished by the Feds to pay for the non-taxpayers of New Orleans. By the way how many of those poor and desperate souls of New Orleans weighed in over 300lbs?

And while the backbiting continues, people are suffering. Does anyone care for their souls? Lives?

Shalom

k, if I was told to leave town or die, I'd find a way to get my family out. Life is tough, it's tougher if you're stupid.
Do some research, the account I posted is representative of the action by those welfare-recipients, crackheads, and thugs who mostly inhabit that town.
I have helped those down there for years...they live off of my tax money and complain that I'm not doing enough for them when they're too stupid and ignorant to take care of their own basic needs.
We've made slaves of the welfare recipients, and we've reaped what we've sown...they're even more dependent on us than ever! They're like pets now, we must take care of their every need because they have no skills to do it themselves after being spoon-fed everything for years.
I could post hundreds of accounts of thievery, assault, rape, etc. here to show you the truth. But it wouldn't make any difference to you sitting here in your little rainbow liberal bubble, now would it?

Larry-you are impossible-Most welfare recipients live in rural areas, and most are white, single mothers. You ignore those facts and claim that all of those stranded in NO are welfare recipients-you have no idea what the numbers are (we cant even count the dead, much less take a poll of who is on welfare or drugs or whatever other inference you are making). Not to mention you are making even more assumptions (like how I feel about social programs) My point is that no matter what these people's private lives are like, they deserved to be saved and deserve our compassion. you make it sound like we should just leave poor people to die-like they deserve it, and you make racist comments along the way. If a disaster hit rural NC, there would be lots of stranded poor white people. And heels--there are stranded poor in ala. and miss.-but they are more spread out because it is a rural area-and they are mostly white. They are moving more rescue operations to the smaller towns as we speak and I guarantee you there will be large numbers of dead and resued that are white and poor. Statisticly there is a higher concentration of poor african americans in urban centers and poor whites are spread out in rural areas. Larry and heels, you just see lots of african americans and judge them without doing research on the actuall numbers. And Larry-if there arent buses running, rental cars, gas and your only option is to walk you cant get out. And I doubt some racist like you would have helped drive people who asked for it-I mean according to you they are all crack heads and criminals. This is my last post, I am leaving for the day and cannot stand the thought of having to respond to your ignorance again.

k, I guess you can't handle the truth, can you?

larry porter,

you are a god damned idiot. plain and simple.

Brian Harper,

Larry Porter is a great American and you are a name calling piece of recycled Alpo. Some stupid person broke the crust on you cause we can all smell the stench. I hear that the " refugees " are demanding that FEMA put 10 crack rocks in each MRE. Smoke that dirtbag.

Thanks for that refined and eloquent comment, Mr. Harper.
Your opinion means as much to me as every opinion I read on here, because it's just your opinion, and everybody is entitled to one. Some use the truth to form theirs, some use liberal drivel and anti-Bush propaganda to make their opinions.
I recognize which of those groups you belong to.
But that's OK, you're entitled to believe that everything, including which direction a hurricane travels, is President Bush's fault. But you show your ignorance when you try to make US believe it.

Marion and Larry, You two seem to be the ones who can't handle the truth. Bottom line, if I were to judge all the human race by the two of you, like you are judging the people of NO by the actions of some, I would be ashamed to be a part of that species. I thank God you two are in the minority.

Neither one of you are going to have to answer to me or any other human. While it disturbes me that you are voicing such a lack of compassion for human suffering, that you have decided some deserve to die for their "stupidity" etc and that anyone who disagrees with you is also ignorant, I am no one. Christ will ask for an accounting, though. And neither one of you have behaved in a manner that is pleasing to Him nor is your behavior glorifying His name.

I have prayed, not only for the victims in LA and MS, but for the two of you also.

Yvonne, how difficult it must be for you to go through life with so much hate for anyone who disagrees with you just because your Dem candidate lost the presidential election.
I deplore any loss of life, and you will not find a word to the contrary in anything I wrote. Go back and read it, you bigot. You're the one who immediately "assumed" the folks my friend had encountered were black. You read of their actions and made the connection in your racist, bigoted mind that they must be black, didn't you?
It hurts me to the core that folks were too stupid to pay attention to a government that tried their best to convince them to save their own lives. I hate it, but I understand it.
Welfare checks were due in the mail within a day or so, and no one wanted to miss the mail delivery. That is one of the reasons given by those that decided to stay behind, believe it or not. Many are still on rooftops or trying to live in houses partially underwater. My heart goes out to them, I'm saddened that their ignorance may cost them their lives.

Larry Porter,

You come off as a racist. If you are, that's your perrogative, as there are many ignorant redneck racists here in NC. The fact is many of those stuck in NO had absolutely no way to get out of the city. Many elderly folks that live by themselves had no money to leave.

Yes, it was a deplorable situation at the Superdome, but when people are faced with such situations they tend to go into survival mode. I don't condone the violence, hell, I think those that fired shots at rescue workers should have been shot themselves, but it was a bad situation through and through.

You try to blame this situation on welfare, but actually if the government hadn't dragged their feet, many people could have been saved. I don't want to politicize a national tragedy such as this, but the powers that be, both democrat and republican, really dropped the ball on this issue.

Brian, I don't blame it on welfare, but on the state of dependence and lack of self-initiative caused by the welfare state.
The ball was dropped mostly on the local level, and some on the state level. The federal gov't moved resources into the area even before the storm hit, but all services at all levels were overwhelmed. Part of that situation was brought about by those that failed to heed the warnings.
As was said before, if told I was going to die tomorrow unless I left, I'd leave even if I had to walk out. Many chose not to, and paid the price for their ignorance.
Consider this: 5,000 people show up on your doorstep right now expecting you to feed them supper. You don't have enough food. The road is washed out between you and the grocery store. Is it YOUR fault they go hungry?

Brian, where do you get off implying I'm a racist? There is not one single mention of race in any of my posts here, nor will there be.
You read race into my posts because you are a racist, not me.

Larry,

LOL! I assure you I'm no racist.

But you said, "Deep down, you know they were black from the way they were acting, don't you?"

and ,"Monkies in a cage."

and, "For hundreds of years poor black folks have wanted to be on their own, without the "yoke" of white oppression. Well, they got their way, and look and see how they handled it. The urinated and defecated where they sat, got drunk and high, fornicated next to old women and children, and fought each other with deadly weapons. No rules, no self-discipline, no regard for each other. They looked like monkies in the zoo when the zookeeper went on vacation."

I know a racist when I see one, and you are one. Your remarks are undeniably racist. F-ing jackass.