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No disagreement Mr Kilgore, but as my Mom use to say - that's a double edged sword.

The "war between Democrats and Republicans" has root causes in both the parties, "divided by petty party partisanship and a bureaucratic financial black hole", and the only thing thay are united about is keeping out a third party. The enemy gains, America looses.

I like the phrase "bureaucratic financial black hole" - cause that's how they're doing it - supporting each others' pork in exchange for votes - all at taxpayer expense.

... but call me a troll and pinko and other unmentionables because I don't support most folks in DC.

JDR, it is because we too believe in that "bureaucratic financial black hole" and that we speak of it, in other terms that has caused you and I and others to be labeled "troll," etc.

It is also that support of one another's "pork" that has us speaking out as well. Which only adds to the name-calling.

Shalom

.....there is no "double edged sword", Mr. Rocketfeller......

....there is one side who is hoping against hope that we fail in Iraq, strictly so that side may gain political advantage.....

....it is the same side that constantly comes up with manufactured "scandals" in the current administration in the hopes that once again that side may gain political advantage......

....it is the same side who has proven constantly that they are willing to say or do ANYTHING if the saying or doing will bring them back into political power, REGARDLESS of the cost to our nation and its people.....

....despite the over-sampled push polls that this side loves to talk about, the American people are quite aware of what's going on.......

ya know Bubba - it's not a freaking game - sides against sides - if you looked deeper you'd see that at least I am difficult to pigeon-hole - for example: I think now and have thought since January of 2003 that going into Iraq was a stupid thing to do - but we're there now and really can't leave until ... well I'm still looking for an understnding or when we have "victory" - but I'm not into immediate withdrawl, as you suggest above.

But apparently you like to take sides. Bet your football son could slap around my honor roll kid too.

I find it amazing that people want to discuss "sides" without ever naming any specific side. That might give one's discussion more validity and respect.

Shalom

And their official line is, "If they disagree

with the President, they are BUSH HATERS".

I, for one, am tired of having my patriotism

attacked because I disagree with the President's

Iraq policy.

"ya know Bubba - it's not a freaking game - sides against sides - if you looked deeper you'd see that at least I am difficult to pigeon-hole "

It's that "you're either for us or against us" mentality. We have got to get beyond that sort of thinking. There is nothing wrong with coming to the table with disagreements and compromises worked out.

My biggest problem with Bush and associates is not the Iraqi war, or the cuts in education and other programs...it is the unwillingness to hear from those who might disagree. Both sides (right and left) are quick to name-call. But Bush supporters seem to have made it an art. If someone disagrees with them, the person is "against our troops", a socialist, a "Jane Fonda". Heck, I've even been called a "transgender", whatever that is (the actual word is "transgendered" and, no, I am not transgendered...lol).

What is it we all have in common? Can we at least start there? Even though we may disagree deeply on the issues, don't we all want the best for our Country and our families? Can we agree on that?

progressive, does your mommy know that you use "dirty words" like "compromise?"

From my experience, if someone from the Bush support system and I disagree, compromise is anethma (Greek word, check definition). Compromise is viewed by those people, again from my experience, as giving up and surrendering. Compromise is far from this. The definition should be checked and studied carefully before considering it even remotely as being a surrender.

Shalom

LOL, Darryl. Not that I am always the best at it, but I still believe dialog and active listening is the key to civility. If we don't listen to each other and sometimes compromise, I predict it'll get nastier and nastier until the "culture war" becomes an all out civil war. That'll be a very sad day for America because then the terrorists will have truely won.

Progressivexian,
If Bush had sought dialogue from our allies around the world (Pre-Iraq)he might not be in the quaqmire he is in now. If Bush would have consulted with people of opposing viewpoints, as Lincoln did, before going to war, we might not be where we are today with over 18,000 injured, maimed or killed. Is is safe to say you would have been for that dialogue too?

That's an easy one for me, Deacon...yes, of course more pre-war dialog would have been benifical. However, I think there was some dialog going on anyway. Had some of the Democrats found a backbone and stood up for what they believed in, perhaps there would have been more of a chance for talking about this issue.

Demom,

You must have evolved from a pile of donkey dung cause Jesus told me so. He added you are the only one of his creations that he, well, no other way to clean it up, hates. What a dis-stink-shun.

wormer, again, that is different (pertaining to Deacon) than what was stated in the "Military always keeps timetables, exit plans" blog. Which is it?

I stand by the ascertation of George Fox, "That of God in everyone."

Shalom

I am beginning to think Wormer is a way left of center liberal trying to make the conservatives look bad. No really, I do.

Progressivexian,
You may be on to something! It reminds me of when the KKK used to endorse candidates, and ALL the candidates just prayed it would not be them.
As for the worm, I am sure there is some good in there somewhere, but it just has not come out in the blogs.

As to the letter, I think we all tire of partisanship and desire some real working together for the good of the country. I felt that way when the Republicans were a minority and I feel that way with the Democrats in the minority.

Mr. Kilgore,
It is not just petty partisanship that threatens our country-----it is also corruption!

From a 1997 quote: DeLay hailing Abramoff as "one of my closest and dearest friends."

That knife may cut both ways, but with Republicans controlling both houses of congress, the Presidency, and the Supremes, lightning may have just struck the outhouse.