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Has anyone noticed the new City of Greensboro website? It is devoted to the City Manager's version of events surrounding the police department ...labeled as the desire for transparency. It is the leading item on the website and almost the entire page is devoted to it. The more I see of this, the more I am seeing a spiteful person covering up his own failings as a professional manager.

Congratulation, Rather Brown. You are the first person to visit our website. We were getting worried . You don't want to hear what it cost to get that sucker up and running. It just sat there,all lonely like nobody cared. Then I had this idea. Why not portray myself as the noble warrior who took on and vanquished the evil Chief Wray. I am a freaking hero..understand. I am going to micro manage the hell out of that Police Dept. Well, of course according to whoever whispers in my ear last. Boy I can't wait to second guess on a homocide. Yhis is fun.

Fondly,
Mitch

Here is a list of facts...NOT theory, conjecture, opinions or rumors!!

FACT 1: David Wray lied during his press conference in July 2005 when he said the FEDERAL investigation into Lt. Hinson was ongoing and "multi-faceted". The Feds closed the case almost 18 months earlier!

FACT 2: David Wray lied directly to the city manager and city legal (Linda Miles etc.) about his continued investigation based on FACT 1.

FACT 3: David Wray lied to the city manager and city legal about the "black book" that he called a "rumor" and "urban legend" in his own words at his press conference.

FACT 4: David Wray hid the "black book" in his Deputy Chief's police vehicle trunk...knowing the city manager asked about it!

FACT 5: David Wray lied to the public, city manager and city legal when he said the use for the book (that originally did not exist) involved an investigation into an apparent sexual assault by a Police Officer. We now here there is NO DOCUMENTATION of any report to substantiate this!

FACT: There is more... and I don't need to see it because the above is enough to fire anybody! He took the easy way out folks!!!

All you conspiracy theorists must assume the entire city council, city manager, city legal, all GPD Officers involved in the non-existent "sexual assault investigation", and even the Federal government is involved with the sole purpose of ridding Greensboro of David Wray. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has had plenty of time to address the allegations! The investigation went on for months!! He continues to lie to this very day.

You all disgrace the reputation of every remaining officer that works in Greensboro. David Wray lied and you cannot get it through your titanium plated skulls.

David Wray was locked out of his office (removed from office, in reality), before he was given a fair hearing. This is how things work in today's politically correct world, as Wray made the unforgivable mistake of a white police chief investigating a black police officer, no matter how corrupt the officer is. Welcome to the world of Skip Alston, the NAACP, and the "Truth and Reconciliation Council"....the witch-hunters of today's PC society. As a result, this Rockingham County resident will continue to boycott Greensboro and Guilford County businesses, as I will not allow my sales taxes to support black-on-white racism.

Realist,

Here's a fact for you. You said in your own words: "There is more... and I don't need to see it..."

There is, in fact, more to the story than meets the eye. Whether or not you think we get it isn’t the point. Nevertheless, if it makes you feel better I get it, it’s plain and simple. The sheer number of negative things you’ve had to say about Wray only goes to prove you have some kind of beef with him. You’re obviously bitter.

You wear your hate-colored glasses, filtering out anything you don’t wish to see. That’s why you don’t need to see anything else. If you’d have managed to say at least one positive thing about Wray I might have agreed with at least one of your arguments. However, you spew nothing but detestation with each malevolent word you write. Objectivity is generally a sign of truthfulness. You obviously don’t know the meaning of the word. Did you ever stop to think that’s why practically nobody agrees with you?

At least Wray had the integrity to show he still supports the Greensboro PD. He did this publicly. If David was the horrible person you claim he is, then why did he bother showing his continued support? A lesser man simply wouldn’t do that.

You do nothing but ridicule anyone who doesn’t see it your way. Your “fact-sheets” do nothing to substantiate your argument. In fact all they do is reinforce the fact that you are a bitter and angry person.

After reading several of his/her comments, I think realist is a cop or cop wife who has personal issues with Wray and brings them to this board.

BISHOP:
Read back and see that I said I do not believe for one minute that this has anything to do with "race". I said I do not believe he is a racist. I also said I do not believe the FBI will find anything that supports a civil rights violation. It was all personal for David Wray---he was personally attacking one officer not based on race---instead baased on a personal vendeta!

And you are right...he merely needed to be removed because of the FACTS I listed above. No more...no less. But I do believe there is more that will come out that will make him look bad! Think what you want about "bitterness". What I see I see is from the inside--unlike what you see in the media and blogs.

I don't care that you don't agree with me..or anyone else here that "spew" their uneducated, leftist views. Wray is not being "charged" criminally. You do not get a "trial" when you lie to your BOSS and the PUBLIC! He resigned rather than face the TRUE embarrasemant of being FIRED!

You do not see the truth listed in my five points! You cannot disprove even one point!

That is why you say I am "bitter"???????

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Thomas: Yes he was locked out of his office after he failed to get back to Mr. Johnson about the allegations. He ran and was running on that Friday that the news came out about the "lock out". It got his attention and he resigned on Monday. He did not even return to hand in his resignation. WHY DIDN'T HE STAY TO ANWER THE ALLEGATIONS????

hugh, I agree.

I also think Hugh is correct. There is way too much of the "Verdict before the trial" mentality in A. Realist's posts about this subject.

Despite the unobjectivity displayed by the Wray detractors, all the facts about the Wray affair are NOT YET known. Let's see and hear BOTH sides of the story. Let's NOT try to settle this in the court of Mis-Informed Opinion.

Bubba: What trial? What verdict? Wray resigned…and it was all based on the FACTS listed above.

You said: "Let's NOT try to settle this in the court of Mis-Informned Opinion". --What I listed above are the facts as stated by David Wray himself--they can be found in his press release and press conference. The city in turn told their side. What "other side" is there???

Bishop: Can you disprove any of the FACTS listed above? They are all in Wray's own words.

ALL: Again...he was given ample time. He had all the time HE wanted to take BUT instead chose to resign. If you say he did it for the good of the Department that is fine. It is the officers that remain on the job that have to now fight through all the rubbish left in the wake of a this mess that David Wray created himself. It was the many officers who risked their futures and careers to speak up against the wrongs in the police department but all you people see is one man.

Wormer,
1. Your feeble attempt at humor is so lame.
2. Your posts are always a distraction to healthy discourse.
3. You are unable to add anything positive to any subject you post on.

Solution:
Seek therapy and please find another way to vent your frustration at being insignificant.

Realist,
Thanks for your instructive posts. I have no relation to the GPD but I do know the City Manager, and can vouch for his honest, and straightforward search for the truth. We have no exchanged any words on this matter, but I can assure anyone who doubts his integrity, they are sorely mistaken. Thanks again for adding to the discussion here.

Hey Butthead, yeah Deacon I'm talking to you. Have you nothing better to do than hurl insults. Talk about adding nothing. You in your , I guess hundreds of comments, have contributed the following to the discussion at hand:

1. Personal attacks on letter writers or other commenters

2. DNC talking points ad nauseum, certainly nothing substantive.

3. Idiotic Cindy Sheehan/Michael Moore meaningless, unintelligible anti-war babble.

4, And halitosis

I hope your acne is clearing up

God Bless the USA and George Bush

Deacon: Thank you. Hugh, Bubba and Bishop revert to being armchair psychologists when they can't come up with an answer that corners them or their boy! The facts clearly speak for themselves. Notice that none of the fantastic 3 has refuted one of the facts that I listed above. They are not interested in any dialog…they merely want to attack all messengers that disagree with their view points.

(Sigh)

....whatever you say, Realist.....

Since I do not live in Greensboro or Guilford County, I have not commented on this situation. But I would like to ask A. Realist a question. Do you have any proof for what you claim? I have read a very subjective interpretation of the "facts" and you asking others to prove you are not telling the truth. So I am asking you, where's your proof?

Thomas said it best.
My good thoughts are with David Wray and his Attorney.

I know David Wray & I know that he is a good man. I am not an officer, but I used to be, and I always found Wray to be focused on doing what was best for the department and the citizens of Greensboro. I never worked under Wray as Chief and I know people say he has changed, but I don't think his focus ever changed. He wanted the department to be the best it could be and he expected people to give thier best.

I am disturbed by the information we have been getting from the media. The comments from city council have been irresponsible at best. To say that if we only knew what they know begs the question.

When I read the comments of realist, I am very disappointed. The men and women of the Greensboro Police Department are some of the most level-headed and quick thinking people I know. For you to continually declare your all-knowing self rightous position and to easily dismiss the concerns of others reflects MUCH more poorly the department than anything I have seen reported. Police Officers hold a sacred trust in the community, your attitude makes people question their faith in you & the department. Sorry if that seemss unfair, but you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

There is a lot more to this story than what has been reported. I don't think it is a conspiracy. I think that we have not been shown with any credibility whatsoever what actually took place. I think we need some answers from the beginning. The story needs to be less about what Wray did and more about what he was trying to accomplish and why. We can get down to the means and if they were justified after that.

If Wray made mistakes then he should be held accountable. If others made mistakes they should be too. I honestly have not got enough information to decide at this point and I think we all deserve some explanations.

Realist,

You wanted your "Facts" disputed. So ask and ye shall receive.

In response to "Fact 1":

Lt. Hinson was still on paid suspension up until two days after Wray resigned. Apparently Wray decided that Lt. Hinson was up to something. Considering a recent article in the Rhino Times that cites Lt. Hinson had a real-estate deal with a person known to be one of the largest drug dealers in the triad area, Wray's suspicions don't really seem out of place.

In response to “Fact 2”:

Please provide specifics regarding this claim. When, where, why, and how please.

In response to “Fact 3”:

It is true that Wray referred to the “black book” as an urban legend. However, if you recall when Wray was asked about this book, he was asked if the book contained the photo of every single black officer on the force. The devil is in the details.

In response to “Fact 4”:

If Wray had hidden the book, not secured it, as you claim then why not just destroy the thing? I’d think a man who’s as educated as Wray, as knowledgeable in police procedure, and as intelligent would know that rule number one is destroying the evidence. Wray’s not some country bumpkin with a squat IQ. If his purpose was to be illusory he’d have been much less obvious.

In response to “Fact 5”:

While it is true that there is no documentation on file about a sexual assault case involving a prisoner and an officer, that doesn’t mean David’s lying. The only thing it really proves is there’s no paperwork on file. As I pointed out in an earlier post, the troops didn’t like their leader. Just go to the “In The Line of Duty” message board and read for yourself. If somebody wanted to make Wray look bad, this would certainly be the way to accomplish it.

By the way, you said in an earlier post that Wray sent his resignation in from a Kinko's. Frankly that statement was wrong. Johnson's statement on the city's website states that Wray's resignation was received in the mail, from his lawyer.

In conclusion I feel you should take some of the very advice Deacon gave to Wormer:

“Seek therapy and please find another way to vent your frustration at being insignificant.”

Cheers

Yvonne: My "subjective" interpretation as you call it is taken right from David Wray's quotes and the fact that Hinson was returned to duty with no charges...local, administrative or Federal. City legal would not have allowed for him to return otherwise. The quotes of David Wray speak for themselves. If you followed the story you will hear the "double talk" about the black book and the reason for its inception. You will see him say that he had his Deputy Chief hide the bokk (that did not exist) in the trunk of his city vehicle. You will see 2 high ranking member in his inner circle gone as well...the Deputy Chief and Internal Affairs Captain. They did not retire!

Tim: I don't know how to address you. You hear the stories every day. "Postal employee kills 8"..."neighbor kills loving wife"...etc... it is always followed with "he was a good man" when anyone is interviewed. Does that wipe out any previous actions? People do stupid things and power can corrupt. The man actually equated himself to Russel Crowe's character in "Master and Commander". It came out of his mouth on many occasions. I believe he changed. The bottom line is this and I've said it over and over again. He resigned. He was not fired. He could have stood his ground and anwered but he did not.

So let me get this straight realist, you think the David Wray must be guilty because he resigned? COuld it be possible...just possible that he resigned because he wanted the Police Department to continue to function by moving his situation to the sidelines? He obviously can't be fired now, but he still stands to have his reputation attacked if any investigation shows wrong doing on his part. So I guess we will just have to wait and see if an investigation even takes place. After all, the City manager stands to have his reputation sollied as well if such an investigation cleared David Wray. Somehow, I bet this all gets swept under the rug now that they have David Wray out.

Maybe he just didn't want to work there anymore. I wouldn't want to work in an environment where one cry of racism causes city leaders to cringe and backdown and cover up illegalities and lies.

I'm not saying Wray is innocent. I honestly don't know. But I'm not about to believe A. Realist's or Tom Causey's version as the absolute truth without something more to back it up. And I'm sorry, I haven't seen Chief Wray admit to lying and breaking the law or any of the things that A Realist says above.

The truth is out there. We'll never see it. And, from what I can see, A realist doesn't want any version of the truth to come out that doesn't give with his.

Bishop,
While you are fantasizing, let me ask you a question:
Why didn't Nixon destroy the tapes since he was such an "educated man"?

Realist,
Thanks for the facts. I find it amazing that you have to KEEP using Wray's OWN words and these folks still don't see it!
To paraphrase the "good book": Blessed is he who believes without seeing, but woe be to him who sees and STILL does not believe!

Deacon,

Everything I said was true as well. Now you're playing the same game Realist accused me of trying to play.

I have yet to see a direct quote from David Wray saying that he lied and was guilty or any real direct quote from David Wray at all from the folks saying he said those things.

Bish,
Just read the posts made by A.Realist, and you

will see the information you are requesting.

You may have to actually go to another

"David Wray saved my cat" LTE, but it's there!

I think as usual everyone is hearing, or not hearing what they want to hear. Again, I say we will probably never know the truth.

Deacon,

Now you're using Wray's own good character to try and smear him? Realist asked me to dispute his so-called facts. I did this. Nothing that I said wasn’t true. The only thing we’ve heard so far is Johnson saying that Wray supposedly lied.

Frankly I am baffled by the way you and Realist approach your arguments. Since you are arguing the guilty verdict, you have the burden of proof. All you two can do is point to allegations of wrong-doing. You don’t know the meaning of the word proof.

At first all this information about how evil Wray is, was spewing from the media like Old Faithful at 12 O’clock noon. Now there’s barely anything about it on the evening news. Even the city is being tight-lipped about this now.

When this whole thing blew up, Wray was portrayed as being some kind of horrible racist. That’s been disproved by things such as Wray’s huge involvement in organizations that help minorities, his experiences with Albert K. Som-Pimpong in Israel, and how he regularly promoted minority officers in the department. Now people are changing their tunes and saying all this racket is because the former chief lied. Make up your minds. You’re starting to sound like Bush on why we went to Iraq in the first place.

By the way, while we're quoting scripture, perhaps you could use a few verses from the good book yourself.

"Thou shalt not bear false wittness"
"He who is without sin himself, cast the first stone"

Am I the only one who thinks the Demon and the Realist are really just one person trying to form a group? What I'm seeing is a case falling apart for lack of any kind of evidence. Sorry guys/ladies/whoever you are...you've failed to prove your points. I'm just hoping the former Chief is getting ready to slap a really hefty lawsuit on the City.

Brooke,

The thought that deac and realist were the same person had entered into my mind on more than one occasion. However, knowing Wray for as long as I have, I have doubts that he would slap a lawsuit on the city even after how terribly he's been treated. He's just not that kind of man.

Bishop:

I will make this as simple as possible for you. You want to muddle every point with minutia.

Fact 1: The Feds were done with the investigation. Wray said in the press conference in June/July it was still active. That is a Lie.

Fact 2: He then lied to city legal during the investigation into this whole issue in fact 1. He failed to tell them the investigation was closed. Read that on councilwoman Carmady's site/blog in her words.

Fact 3: He referred to the book as a "urban legend" as if it did not exist when all along he knew it did exist.

Fact 4: He hid a book that "did not exist". If you cannot see that as an sign of guilt you have got serious integrity issues yourself. At the least, there is an incompetence issue for handling "evidence" improperly and giving an unlawful order.

Fact 5: The reports that don't exist are just more proof that the whole thing got out of his control. You are the one now saying everybody below the chief was corrupt and trying to destroy him. That just does not fly. The grand conspiracy was able to take down the Chief, Duputy Chief and the Captain over I. A. ????

And yes, I said the letter of resignation was faxed in from Kinko's. The one posted on the Greensboro city site showed that is where it originated. I did not see Mr. Johnson's statement about it being delivered via his attorney until you pointed that out. That was my mistake.

You are the one now blaming the rank and file for his departure. I say you are doing more damage to the reputations of the remaining officer at the Greennsboro Police Department?

A. Realist,
Don't embarrass me, as some "conspiracy nuts" think you are me, and I am you. So far, you are doing a great job of stating the obvious, using Wray's words.

MY POINT:
The former chief has a well organized letter writing campaign going or else the News & Fish Wrap just doesn't have much coming in these days.
So far, we see David Wray doing everything from curing aids, to helping the little old lady across the street. Frankly, if just a fraction of the stuff being put out here on the chief is true, we either have the male version of Mother Teresa or a big con. From what I have been hearing, JP would have stayed in Greensboro if Wray had not been fired...oops, resigned.

I think we are right, Bishop. And the constant harping on the same old comments, most of which we all know to have been refuted, is tiresome. We know David, too, but I am still hoping he will get mad enough to tell what really happened at City Hall.

Brooke or Bishop:

I believe you "two" are one in the same.

You wrote:

"most of which we all know to have been refuted"
Where? How do refute his own words?

By the way, you set yourself up for a win/win situation with your lawsuit comments. If he files a suit you will all say it is justified and he has a right to do it. On the other side, if he never files suit you all will say it shows how "good of a man he truely is".

What you don't get: If he does not file it might just be the fact that there was overwhelming evidence against him and he knows he cannot file. The city council did say: his attorney was attempting to negotiate some sort of retirement package on Saturday but he resigned Monday with no package. No retirement! I would not give up my carreer/retirement package if I were right.

Believe what you wish Realist, last time I checked I was still myself. I'm not going to play this stupid game with you. If you and deac are indeed two seperate individuals I apologize. Brooke made a comment that seemed believeable... that's it.

Oh yeah. Of course, Greensboro had to hire a black chief of police to take the place of David Wray. They weren't going to be happy until done so. They were going to kick and scream, call the NAACP, Black Panthers, the idiot racist himself Al Sharpton and the adulterer Jesse Jackson. They were going to cry and scream from here til hell! That is how blacks get their way. Haven't you figured it out yet? If white people started screaming louder, we wouldn't be getting run over. How about the black Bellamy woman who was doing things wrong? Has she been discharged? I think NOT!! She's not going to be, she's Black!!! You fire a black person, you get an automatic lawsuit. Quit your whining uh, you African-Americans who have never set foot in Africa. You get it all, no one challenges you cuz you're thugs would be on the front door rapping, screaming or whatever it is that they do!! You know what, racism runs both ways and I think black people now have that market cornered without a doubt. Only thing wrong with David Wray is that he is white and the blacks what a "brother" in there to help them out!!

Oh yeah. Of course, Greensboro had to hire a black chief of police to take the place of David Wray. They weren't going to be happy until done so. They were going to kick and scream, call the NAACP, Black Panthers, the idiot racist himself Al Sharpton and the adulterer Jesse Jackson. They were going to cry and scream from here til hell! That is how blacks get their way. Haven't you figured it out yet? If white people started screaming louder, we wouldn't be getting run over. How about the black Bellamy woman who was doing things wrong? Has she been discharged? I think NOT!! She's not going to be, she's Black!!! You fire a black person, you get an automatic lawsuit. Quit your whining uh, you African-Americans who have never set foot in Africa. You get it all, no one challenges you cuz you're thugs would be on the front door rapping, screaming or whatever it is that they do!! You know what, racism runs both ways and I think black people now have that market cornered without a doubt. Only thing wrong with David Wray is that he is white and the blacks what a "brother" in there to help them out!!

Oh yeah. Of course, Greensboro had to hire a black chief of police to take the place of David Wray. They weren't going to be happy until done so. They were going to kick and scream, call the NAACP, Black Panthers, the idiot racist himself Al Sharpton and the adulterer Jesse Jackson. They were going to cry and scream from here til hell! That is how blacks get their way. Haven't you figured it out yet? If white people started screaming louder, we wouldn't be getting run over. How about the black Bellamy woman who was doing things wrong? Has she been discharged? I think NOT!! She's not going to be, she's Black!!! You fire a black person, you get an automatic lawsuit. Quit your whining uh, you African-Americans who have never set foot in Africa. You get it all, no one challenges you cuz you're thugs would be on the front door rapping, screaming or whatever it is that they do!! You know what, racism runs both ways and I think black people now have that market cornered without a doubt. Only thing wrong with David Wray is that he is white and the blacks what a "brother" in there to help them out!!

I've always believed David was a good person, though somewhat two-faced. When I was hosting the television show, "Peidmont Crime Control" and co-publishing The "Crime Paper", I asked him for a few things. He said he would do...Never did! Community safety ideas. He had no follow up, period.
I don't think he was a bad person, or Chief. He surrounded himself with self-serving, selfish, ego-maniac, bullies. He gave them unlimited authority and cut them loose on the community. I've got a long list of names and actions, but dad gum can not do anything with it. (Never made public list!!)
You are only as good as your team players. When they are mean-ass idiots, well what are you? The Dog's getting real pissed off now...I'm outa here.
Crime Dog