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Seen any Christians saw the head off infidels and post it on the internet lately, Charles? Reading and practicing are two different things.

"Some Christians really doth protest too much."

'Hold still,infidel, while I cut your head off'!!

So you're accusing Christians of not being faithful to their scriptures? I bet that goes over well.

Best I can tell New Testament Law replaced Old Testament Law about around 2000 years ago, making "eye for an eye" moot.

And only God can condemn anyone to Hell. Pointing out the fact that the road to there is wide and inviting isn't condemnation.

The OT laws are moot? If the Bible quoted Jesus accurately, that's not the case.

Matt 5:18 - "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."

Perhaps you should reconsider that idea.

Nemo:

I think Jesus accomplished it on the cross!

Others are of the opinion that all won't be accomplished until the "end of days." It's all very cryptic. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a religion, eh?

Nemo,

The OT laws were for the Jewish people. Your post indicates you are not aware of the role the NEW Testament plays in Christianity.

Charles, please tell me how many Christians adhere strictly to both the old and new testaments? Is this tiny group any kind of political, military, or social threat to the United States? How many Christians are still taking slaves in the Middle East and Africa? How many Christians are killing people that convert to some other religion outside of Christianity, and claiming their actions are validated by the Bible? How many Christians are killing female children in their family when they choose to adopt western ways, or date a non-Christian? All of this is happening, in 2006, in the name of Islam, around the world.

"How many Christians are still taking slaves in the Middle East and Africa? How many Christians are killing people that convert to some other religion outside of Christianity, and claiming their actions are validated by the Bible? How many Christians are killing female children in their family when they choose to adopt western ways, or date a non-Christian?"

All the letter writer was saying is that any Christian who chose to do those things would find comfort in knowing that "God's Word" supports those things.

"please tell me how many Christians adhere strictly to both the old and new testaments? Is this tiny group any kind of political, military, or social threat to the United States?"

Ever hear of Westboro Baptist Church? What about Jonestown? Or Timmothy McVeigh? {;-)

"Westboro Baptist Church"

Agigtators and bigots masquerading under religion for it's charitable and legal protections.

How about the Universalist Unitarian Church? I'm a full fleged ordained Minister. Have the certificate laying around here somewhere.

The point is, the "Church" has become so perverted that simply assoicating and participating with one doesn't bring about a relationship with the creator.

You have to seek him and personally ask for that.

Nemo,

PLEASE don't tell me you're generalizing (a sign of ignorance) judging Christians by the actions of Westboro Baptist Church, Jonestown, and McVeigh.

Just my observation here, but it seems like the "eye for an eye" argument is the basis for many (if not most) Christians' argument in favor of the death penalty. I'd cite this practice as barbaric, sinful, and unholy, but the Old Testament gets trotted out every time there is a broad debate about it. I'm not supporting the letter-writer here, just pointing out an inconsistency that frustrates me.

totally off topic, but if you like to laugh at Bush then look at this pic from Snopes.com I just thhttp://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/disaster.aspougt a few here would enjoy it.

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I keep remembering our president talking about going to war in Iraq and that he had prayed and was led to war. Did I just imagine that?

Howie, I'm against the death penalty because I don't think the state should execute. Saddam is on trial for executions which he says were within his power and within the law. I don't buy it, but some leaders think they make the laws or above the law.

Just heard that Bush said in Charlotte that he was "disappointed" that the intellegence was faulty, but still thinks he did the right thing in Iraq.

Bunny, I agree that Christians should follow the teachings of Jesus. Do we?

"PLEASE don't tell me you're generalizing (a sign of ignorance) judging Christians by the actions of Westboro Baptist Church, Jonestown, and McVeigh."

You're right. I'm not doing that. The question at hand asked if there were any groups of Christians who threatened us socially, militarily or otherwise. I listed some names in the news from recent times that all got their ideas for their actions from the Christian Bible. Why would anyone consider that "generalizing" about Christians?

You ARE able to read for comprehension, aren't you?

I think the LTE writer has pointed out some wonderful examples of non-adhereance. Yet, there is still that question of inconsistency.

And then add to that mix those that say that the "New Testament" fulfilled the "Old Testament" and some of those same ones still use the "Old" to discriminate. I cannot figure it out.

Shalom

"And then add to that mix those that say that the "New Testament" fulfilled the "Old Testament" and some of those same ones still use the "Old" to discriminate. I cannot figure it out."

There are a lot of interesting variations in the realm of religion. One of the more weird ones is the group that will tell me that I'm required to obey the OT laws (without even dreaming of some of the lunacy it contains) while THEY are free to do as they please... thanks to this "fulfillment" thingy. Talk about being puzzled!

This LTE gave me one of those "hmmmmmm" moments. It really confused me on one point.

After much head scratching I picked up my bible and went through the sections mentioned. I was still confused.

I went to my minister and discusssed the matter with him. He became confused also.

What was the source of all the confusion?

We could not find where anyone in the bible had a gun or where it predicted that a gun would be invented and used to thwart a burglary.

Can anyone else find that passage?

It would be an amazing theological discovery if someone could find it.

Dear Nemo,

Your response to my post:

... "All the letter writer was saying is that any Christian who chose to do those things would find comfort in knowing that "God's Word" supports those things." ...

reminds me of why I rarely post to these blogs. Did you really read what I posted all the way through? Are you a Duke or Carolina graduate? My point is that MUSLIMS, not Christians, carry out the deeds I described in my post on a regular basis around the world. There is no separation in their life between the spiritual and the secular. Their religion is incompatible with Western Values (whether you are a atheist or a follower of any of the other mainstream religions of the world). They don't believe in any form of government, just religious law.

Westboro Baptist Church? You are talking about 15 or 20 people, tops, who protest at military funerals and abortion clinics. Extremely distasteful, but not a threat to the US.

Jonestown? A cult of personality with no real ties to any organized religion, whose end game occured outside of the continental United States.

Timmothy McVeigh? An individual psycho who did not recieve any support or funding from parties outside the United States.

Please don't be an apologist for crimes committed by Muslims in the name of Allah around the world. When was the last time you saw Buddhists fly planes into buildings in the USA? When was the last time you saw Unitarians blow up oil pipelines in Saudi Arabia? When was the last time you saw Jews blow holes in US Navy battleships in the Persian Gulf? When was the last time you saw Hindus slit the throats of Christian schoolteachers in Indonesia? When was the last time you saw Presbyterians kill their daughters "to preserve the family's honor" in Germany?

This kind of moral equivalence allowed the domination of Islam to spread as far west as Spain in AD 755, and to the gates of Vienna in 1683.

"My point is that MUSLIMS, not Christians, carry out the deeds I described in my post on a regular basis around the world."

And a pretty good point it is. I have no problem with your point. But did you understand my point at all? Or were you, like bunny, so concerned that I might also have a valid point that you decided that I was attacking you personally?

I grant that the folks at Westboro are outer fringe nuts in the world of Christianity. The point is that they have found support for their views in the text of the Bible. Surely you understand that statement. Christian people all through history have found support for the most horrible crimes against humanity in its pages. I'm sure you accept the truth of this statement. Since it appears pretty unlikely that the Christian world will ever edit its "holy" book again, I think it's a fair thing to say that others will do so for a very long time to come.

Now, is that such a hard thing to agree with? Have I said a single word that accuses Christianity in general or any specific person in "Christendom"? If I have, please let me know where I did so.

Nemo,

Thanks for using the key word to make my point in your last post ...

("Christian people all through history have found support for the most horrible crimes against humanity in its [the Bible's] ages").

Nobody is debating that terrible acts that were Biblically-based were committed in the past. The key word in your post is history. The huge majority of members of mainstream religions outside Islam, today, are not committing acts of terrorism on a regular basis. Members of these religious groups outside Islam are not bent on the destruction of the United States, and the repression of women.

Compare this list to any known "biblically-based" killings that occurred in 2005:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2005.htm

"Honor Killings" in Britain and Western Europe:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0511170188nov17,1,3358404.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. I hope so. It really sounds like you think that because most Christians aren't performing mass killings based on Bible passages today, they won't ever do so in the future. Can you really say that with any reliability? Are you claiming that? After all, I'm only saying it's a possibility... and it really seems to be ticking you off something awful, for no reason that I can discern.