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And may I inquire dear Allen, just what do you propose? Seeing as how you are quick to criticize those who write and offer , in your own words "more of the same" just what have you proposed other than "more of the same". Do you perhaps agree with the "trite talking heads" who are "playing politics with national security"? What sir do you propose be done about the invasion of this country by illegal's?

I would propose the solution be send them back across the boarder from whence they came and if they dare return, shoot them and allow their carcasses to dry rot in the desert sun or be picked by the vultures til nothing is left but dry bones. However I would certainly be accused of being a bit barbaric by many. On the lesser barbaric side, or so it might appear to some, perhaps we should take the same stand that Mexico does with invaders. They just throw them in prison to rot or put them to hard labour. Or perhaps we could soften it a bit and just adopt the same plan that Mexico has for anyone visiting or wanting to work within that country. I believe they allow one to stay 90 days and then they must leave and acquire another visa outside the country before returning. If they fail to do so and return they are deported. If they return again ,then they are imprisoned until their ,what ever country they may come from, can untangle the red tape in order to get them released. Meanwhile they do little to feed , clothe or provide medical care to the individual. Then there is the situation with education of these visitors, not allowed in Mexico, medical care, not provided in Mexico, ownership of property, not allowed in Mexico.

Now that I have offered you something that is "not more of the same", please sir, just what do you propose or do you have only more criticisim.

Bush says 11 million Mexicans cannot be moved, but guess what? Mexico already did it! Anyone else could "out Fox" Vincente, but not our Moron in Chief----he's ready to roll out a Gay Marriage Ban and a Flag Burning Amendment--REAL issues affecting Americans everyday!

When I got this, I instantly thought of our man Dan, then Hugh and others. (The humor is too intellectual for neoCON to understand)

http://www.americancomedynetwork.com/FLASH/MexTourism.htm

ENJOY!
THE Demon Deacon

Uh Demon Deacon, Bush is not rolling out the Gay Marriage or Flag buring issue. He has actually been very quite on the issue and has been serverly critized by Tony Perkins of the farright wing group Family Research Council.
Get the facts together DD and you will look better even to those of us who have ought against this president. Heck you might even look good to those who you say blindly follow him, if you have facts and not just what you think he is doing. Actually Bush was against bringing it up but Bill Frist insisted and went ahead despite the objections. That came from the Family Research Councils website. It pays to read a bit of both sides DD then at least you can comment with a fair degree of accuracy and intelligence. Moral of the story, "know thine enemy."

Mrp, don't confuse the world traveler's...ahem...mind with facts. He/she is having too good of a time telling everyone to "get worked up in a lather" over this issue, never realizing, it is he/she who is in a "lather". lol

Dear Mr. President:

A win, win situation: Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border, take the dirt and raise the levies in New Orleans , and then put the Florida alligators in the border moat! Any other problems you would like for me to solve?

Your Pal, Elmer Fudd

Mr. P,
Check out this news story of YESTERDAY! WHAT IS THE HEADLINE??? Tony Perkins, James Dobson and their ilk are pulling your puppets strings whenever they want to do so.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13142607/

Your condescending remarks should be reserved for the reading impaired, neoCON, Hugh, and Dan. You are just a few weeks behind in your reading!

Well, it looks like Bush Derangement Syndrome has struck again! neoCON, Mr. P, and others are now so far out on the fringe, that they don't recognize their own leader. Supporters of "W" no matter how badly he screws up, must be considered deranged, or in kinder terms, the 28% of Americans who blindly support George W. Bush.

When I look into the eyes of my children, I just worry about the future and the pressing issues like "Gay Marriage" and "Flag Desecration". These are the REAL issues facing us all----even worse, how about "Gay people who are married to each other, who burn flags"?? They are rampant and must be stopped!

Surely, Mr. P, Dan, and neoCON must see how ridiculous this President is and how incompetent he has been thus far. Then, maybe not!

Mr. P:
If you want to believe that Bush will not play the "Flag Burning" and "Gay Marriage/adoption" card, then you just keep on believing. Your enemy is not Bush, but those voices in the room there with you.

Just heard Bush speak on NPR about the need for national legislation to protect the "sanctity of marriage" (news just before Diane's show...listen to it)

I have a proposal: Since the divorce rate is 50%, that seems to hurt the sanctity of marriage. Let's have an ammendment which bans divorce and requires extensive counseling before marriage. Candidates should also show that they have the ability to support themselves.

How's that for getting off the thread? MrP, you know Bush is throwing out a red herring. Gets lots of support from some who would rather judge others than look at real issues such as the war, immigration, Iran, etc.

Carol,
You are so right. Mr. P bit into it hook line and sinker! His "Expert" opinion was a day late and a dollar short on this topic. Maybe he should tend to his garden and leave "pressing" issues like gay marriage and flag burning to the President!!! LOLOL!
My problem is that these are NOT issues at all.

When you stare into the eys of your children or grandchildren, are you really worried about gays getting married or idiots who burn the flag?

Hell NO! You are worried about their health, safety, and financial well being. If you supported this President and continue to do so, you get no sympathy from me. The AT&T sales school taught me right out of college that the one objection you cannot overcome is IGNORANCE!

Family Research Councils website. Was reporting that Bush was lagging in supporting their aganda and that was yesterday. And they by the way are certainly no friends of mine. I do read, as I told you DD, to "know the enemy". I have no use for the farright agenda nor the farleft agenda. I think both need to just shut the hell up and leave those who are not so inundated with agenda's to figure out a solution to the problems we face . I have made my point clear on immigration, health care, and the fact that Rumsfeld could screw up a wet dream and has certainly done that with Iraq. What part of my standings leave any questions to your simple mind DD? Or do you just not have anything better to do than jump and down like a little monkey on the organ grinders box when you think you have thrown something over on someone. My information was based on what I had read just prior to my posting and by the way it was from Saturday since the FRC would certainly not post anything on Sunday or they might sinning. I do not read my normal dozen or so papers on Sunday. I limit them to maybe one or two of the more local papers. I seldom see any newscast on TV on Sunday since I prefer to spend it with family and friends visiting with each other nor do I ever listen to AM/FM radio on any day. If I want music, I have ample amounts of CD's of my liking and it certainly doesn't include the Dixie Chicks. I prefer the old country of Conway Twitty, Reba, Allen Jackson, George Strait, the Judds, etc.
So if you want to, and lord I can picture you in my mind, jumping up and down with glee just like some kind of little trained monkey, think you have gotten something over on me, have at it.

"Let's have an ammendment which bans divorce and requires extensive counseling before marriage. Candidates should also show that they have the ability to support themselves." (Carol)

Carol, I agree totally on the extensive counseling and the ability to support themselves. I don't think the Federal government needs to get involved in this issue either. It is a state issue and not a federal one. That's my stand on marriage.
As far as flag burning/burners, I'd just as soon kick their butts than prosecute them. Now there is my stand on flag burning so there should be no misunderstanding on that issue.

Carol, since I can perform marriages in the state of NC and the state of SDak I will not marry any couple until they have gone through extensive marriage counseling and that includes financial counseling.
I am hesitant to marry those who are divorced until they can show that they understand the reasons for the divorce. If they don't have an understanding of what caused the previous one then how will they recognize the signs of trouble in another marriage. I have been divorced and certainly understood the reason for it before I entered into another one.
Marriage has become another of the "instant gratification" things that is demanded and thus the reason for the reverse "instant gratification" when things are not as peachy as hoped for. There is little respect for the institution of marriage because folks have so little respect for themselves or for others. The respect issue is usually a biggy in a divorce. Of course the number one cause is still MONEY. It is easily linked with lack of respect for certainly if couples had respect for one another they wouldo discuss financial issues before getting into the hot water that leads them to the lawyers office.
That's a short on my look at the subject Carol. So now there should be little question as to where I stand on this issue as well.

MrP, my proposed ammendment was not meant to be taken totally seriously. I would never suggest that people stay in a marriage that is not working, for many reasons. It does, however, make as much sense as an ammendment to ban gay marriages. Most who seek marriage are doing it to receive equal legal opportunities, not to destroy anything. Issues such as health care are common.

We had friends who were both divorced and had lived together for many years. When he had a heart attack and she was unable to have any rights as to his care, they realized they needed to be legal.

However, I do think we have made getting married too easy. Our church has a Clearness Committee made up of 3 couples who meet with those planning to be married and discuss lots of issues and listen to them. It is very helpful for the new couple and those who participate. Being married is a job that needs constant attention.

And STOP talking bout em maters. You are making me jealous. Ours are about two feet high but a long way from producing.

Carol, I only agreed on the counselling part and the financial part, not on the ban on divorce. I figured that your were speaking tongue in cheek on that one. I like the idea of the Clearness Committee and would be interested in hearing more about it. It could be something that I could introduce within our church. You may e-mail me the particulars if you wish. It sounds really interesting and sounds as if it is something that is definitely worthwhile looking into.
Sorry about the maters Carol, I just can't help but rub it in on the DD since he probably couldn't raise a stake for the maters. They are actually getting better every day. oooops sorry again, but dang they are good. You should have put some nitrogen on your mater plants when you put em in the gound and then water them real good. That makes em really jump up fast. I was noticing the field of tomatoes near my house the other day. I beleive they planted them maybe 3 weeks ago and the things are waist high nearly and have small green maters on them. It won't be long until picking time. I usually go get a couple of bushel for canning but don't know if I will this year or not. They allow folks to come in and take the culls for little of nothing.
Let me know on the Clearness Committe if you will. Thanks dpw