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I'm going to cater to whim this morning and be blunt here.

The public perception of FDR's presidency is highly overrated.

That having been said, I'd still rate him as one of our greatest presidents.

When you consider the level of competition .....

FDR...the man who introduced America to socialism with his Raw...er 'New Deal'.

NEO - what was the unemployment rate in 1933?

Since you're too lazy to look it up ..

25.2%

cRock-o-ofeller, many historians believe that the socialist programs that fdr began and eventually led to the welfare state we are still paying for today did nothing to ease the unemployment of that era. Many believe the beginning of WW2 and the defense contracts handed out to private contractors ended the depression. Your mileage will vary on this I'm sure.

A question for you.

How are you and your pet parrot going to squeeze Iraq and Karl Rove into this thread?

NeoCON,
Until the last of "The Greatest Generation" dies off, Franklin Roosevelt will still be held up as one of, if not THE greatest Presidents of all time. Do you think THEY are just whizzing in the wind?
Without Roosevelt, 10 & 12 year olds would still be running the cotton mills, BUT we'd still be making textiles in this country! Is that the way you'd argue against child labor laws?

Under Hoover, we'd all be working for the Astors, Vanderbilts, etc. As usual, your ignorance limits you.

As usual, you hold up the father of the modern welfare state as do the jihadists hold up allah as their savior.

Your ignorance on this is run of the mill liberalism...nothing more.

OK, I break ranks this time.

If Deacon's "ignorance on this is run of the mill liberalism...nothing more."

Then what is neocon'?

Anyone want to seek to give a viable answer on this one?

That's going back a long way to try to find a decent president who was a Democrat.

Glad to see someone stand up as an American rather than a party hack---Joe Scarborough just nailed the GOP for its behavior. Why does this hold such credence? Because Joe is a former Republican congressman and here is some of what he said today:

Where was the Republican leadership over the past year? They knew of Mark’s inappropriate e-mails to a former page but never informed Democratic leaders so they could warn those pages they had brought to Washington.

How could the Speaker of the House not remember being told by the Chairman of the Republican Congressional Committee that Foley had been confronted with his inappropriate emails to a male intern? Does this happen so often in Congress that it was no big deal to Denny Hastert?

Why did Republicans allow Mark Foley to continue as chairman of the Committee on Missing and Exploited Children?

Why did they let him lead the charge on their bill to stop the exploitation of minors on the Internet?

And who was hiding these explosive instant messages over the past year?

Someone buried these IM’s despite the fact they allegedly showed a congressman trying to meet up to have sex with a teenage boy. The fact this person held on to them until one month before the election makes it obvious that the intent was to inflict maximum damage on Mark Foley and the Republican Party.

Why did this person (or people) withhold criminal evidence from the FBI?

Should they also be arrested for obstructing a federal investigation and preventing congressional leaders from taking steps to protect other high school pages?

Regarding political maneuvering, I would suggest that Democrats remember Napoleon’s advice that one should never interfere when your enemy is destroying himself. Dems should keep quiet so not to open themselves up to charges of hypocrisy. After all, their party did little when one of their colleagues had a homosexual affair with a 17 year old intern—engaging in sex with the teen in his Georgetown apartment and then taking him to Portugal to carry on the illicit affair. The disgraced representative remained in Congress for another decade and was never stripped of anything other than his clothes by the teenage boy.

Maybe we will find out that Mark Foley also had sex with teenage boys.

But for now, Foley’s e-mails and IM’s are disgusting enough. And even though there is enough sleaze to fill buckets on both sides of the political aisle, it is the Republican Party of Foley, Abramoff, Cunningham, Ney and DeLay that will be on the ballot next month. That is bad news for Mark Foley’s party and bad news for the President, who can ill afford to lose the House or Senate this fall.
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That's what I'm talking about! Someone who will drop the charade of the party and be an AMERICAN!
I may not always agree with Joe Scarborough, but I dang sure have a lot of R-E-S-P-E-C-T for him!

Roosevelt was like that when he broke with his Patrician upbringing and embraced the working stiffs of this country!

neoCON is not fit to wipe the rear end of Franklin Roosevelt.

From the father of the welfare state to Mark Foley?

I think all of the child molesters should be imprisoned. (and castrated) Mark Foley, Barney Frank,(and his male prostitution ring) The N.J. Gov., the whole lot of them.

What happened to you world traveler?... I thought you were "tolerant" of the molesters and fa...uh, homosexuals. Guess they have to have that little "D" after their name to rate your tolerance, huh?

Sweet pea, since the world traveler brought this subject up, you're excused from the room whilst this is being discussed.

neoCON,
Obviously I struck a nerve with you on pedophilia. Do you have a confession ready or are you just hypersensitive about the "Party of Morals" being the party of Duke Cunningham, Abrahamoff, Tom DeLay, Foley etc.etc.??
Mr. Foley voted to Impeach Bill Clinton so he must be a moral man! LOL!

Struck a nerve with me on pedophilia? Don't make me laugh.

Your infantile rants make less and less sense each day, world traveler. My dog can communicate with more authority than you.

I read down every thread on this board and 99% of the time, you have to have the last word on every thread. But you say nothing. Just jumbled lingo, kindergarten variety tantrums, a re-hash of some liberal comic, or parroting the grand poo-bah, cRock-o-feller.

"Mr. Foley voted to impeach Bill Clinton, so he must be a moral man! lol"...

Is this supposed to piss me off? I read this and shake my head and wonder just how old you are. You claim to have so much "formal education" and portray yourself as being full of "intellectual curiosity" and I read Bullshit like this and have to wonder if this is not indeed a kid playing with his/her mom's computer.

You speak like the frat boy you are. And I can could type the reply you will make to this post... "uneducated", "trailer trash", "myopic", blah, blah, blah.

I grow bored reading your childish and ignorant responses. I'm gonna retire for the evening. Perhaps Jon Stewart or Letterman will supply you with some new talking points this evening and you can lambast me with them tomorrow.

I am glad to see EVERYONE rushing to describe neocon's ignorance as I requested at 1:01 PM on 10/2/2006! I see no one coming to the aid of neocon.

I guess the silence speaks volumes! And please do not mistake this silence with that of the worship practice of Conservative Friends.

Shalom,
Darryl

the difference between libs and cons??

For example, former Chicago Democratic Congressman Mel Reynolds received a commutation of his six-and-a-half-year federal sentence for 15 convictions of wire fraud, bank fraud and lies to the Federal Election Commission. He also was convicted of having sex with an an underage campaign volunteer. But Jesse Jackson added Reynolds to Rainbow/PUSH Coalition's payroll.

Moreover, Reynolds was among the 176 criminals excused in President Clinton's last-minute pardon spree.

As Deroy Murdock, a columnist for Scripps Howard News Service, wrote back in 2002: "This is a first in American politics: An ex-congressman who had sex with a subordinate, won clemency from a president who had sex with a subordinate, then was hired by a clergyman who had sex with a subordinate. His new job? ... Youth counselor."

Sweet pea,

don't ask.... don't tell...

Sweet pea said: "I guess the silence speaks volumes"...

When life hands you lemons.... make lemonade...

You haven't had much luck luck in your vendetta against me have you sweet pea? I mean you staged a failed attempt to get me booted off this blog and when that failed, you retreated for a few days only to return and give me the silent treatment! Some times life just sucks doesn't it?

Unlike you and the world traveler, I don't need anyone to come along and give a little pat on the rump every time I make a comment. I have no friends here... nor enemies.

Darryl,
Keep up the good work!

Maybe I'm missing something but has Foley been convicted of child molestation or pedophilia. That seems to be the implication.

From what I've read on the subject, there was no sexual conduct involved and most of what I've heard is about boys older than 16 (the age of consent). Foley was also not married as it has been known in most circles that he was gay for years. So, throw adultery out the window, as well.

I don't defend Foley. I think his behaviour was abhorrent and I would not vote for him. However, let's not make unfounded allegations against the man.

You're right, NitPicker. Let's just hold him accountable to the Published GOP Standards.

"We agree that strengthening the laws
against child abuse will protect our children, help preserve the family structure, and
promote a healthy environment in which our children can grow."

- of course, what's a child. I think in NC the age of Majority is 21; must be lower in DC.

I plead ignorant to what the age of consent is in DC. In my opinion, even if the pages were over the age of 21, Foley's actions would still be unprofessional and degrading to his office, even if not criminal.

My problem is that the leadership of The House of Representatives put this in a political committee rather than the ethics committee.
It clearly shows they were covering up perversion for political reasons.

Wouldn't want my son or daughter up there with that attitude from Hastert! Glad to see some of the righties grow a set and actually come after the GOP. Still amazes me that Foley voted to Impeach Clinton for having extramarital sex....as did so many of the "Holier Than Thou" right wingers. You can't make this stuff up!

Oh, and I hope it doesn't go unnoticed that Foley pulled a "Rush Limbaugh/Patrick Kennedy" by checking himself into a RE-HAB Clinic! Since when did they find a link from pedophillia to alcoholism????

DD,

Definitely did not go unnoticed regarding the rehab thing. Seems every time a celebrity or politician gets in trouble, they are instantly alcoholics or addicted to pain killers. As if that is an excuse? Brings to mind Kennedy, Michael Jackson, Jesse Jackson, Mel Gibson, Rush Limbaugh, and so many others I won't even both to continue.

What a cop out.

I will question you on one thing. Foley voted to impeach Clinton on 2 out of 4 charges. I don't think he voted to do so because of Clinton having an extra-marital affair, though. I think it was more along the lines of lying to a grand jury, etc.

Still, his vote does seem a little hypocritical considering what he is now facing.

Now he wants to avoid the "pedophile" label by coming out of the closet as a homosexual. Look how hypocritical his votes were on Gay issues!
I hope the entire religious right wing of the GOP goes to hell in a handbasket---and it looks like it is happening. They tried to marry politics and religion and it cheapened both.

Gotta love Bush! Came out strongly for Hastert, who covered up knowing about a child predator for political gain. I thought Bush answered to a "higher" power! LOL!

DeLay, Ney, Abramoff, Libby, Foley---saw a bumper sticker that read, "GOD is not spelled GOP". Seems fitting in today's scene.
Drunk with power, the Party of Lincoln became the party of corruption. Will be glad to see the arrogant ones like Rick Santorum and George Allen gone from the radar. Wish Howard Coble would grow a set and denounce his party's leadership! He's too busy playing lackey to them just like he did during impeachment.

Actually, Foley's votes were fairly gay friendly, especially considering his status as a Republican.

Yes, he did vote in favor of DOMA (which Clinton signed BTW).

His main hypocritical votes seem to be where he votes to protect children from predators as he seems to be one himself (or at least he is in my opinion).