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all they care about is power, and they say and do whatever it takes to win your vote.

Most sad: most do not vote.

Second Sadly: most that do vote make decisions based on ungrounded visions and principles.

I'd call Rush a crack head, but that's mixing drugs which is always dangerous. Besides, he'd just turn down his hearing aid.

" ... try listening to Rush, just for a few days."

I end up agreeing with 25% of what he says, but get hoarse talking back to the radio as he deliberately tells half truths that are so blatent it is mind boggling.

Believe what you want.

King Rush certainly made a lot of hay over Kerry's foot in mouth, but Kerry claim he botched a bad joke rings more true to me:

"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq -- and not the president who got us stuck there -- they're crazy," Kerry added.

Springer may or may not be a liberal, but he certainly is an oportunist - a Cleavage King getting rich by encouraging people to be nasty.

I too would rather listen to Rush ... I also would prefer being shot by a firing squad than hung from the neck until dead.

"I agree that not all good shows get the air time or attention they deserve. Unfortunately, that's life and sometimes life is unfair!"

No issue.

Just like Dan's circle of friends, or Carol's, Phillipa's, and mine, a circle of friends tends to follow each other's lead. College mates become friends for life. You hire whom friends recommend. You check out their tips on good restaurants and single malt scotch. Cocktail banter becomes corporate policy.

There is no coordinated great right wing conspiracy, it happens organically - that's life and sometimes life is unfair .. but it happens. To deny it is, inho, truely ignorant.

Criticism of what Limbaugh or any other commentator says is a red herring, a knee jerk reaction by those who want to deflect discussion of the matter at hand. Fox made a commercial suggesting that voting for the democratic candidate was the humane thing to do because he supports Amendment 2, which Fox later admited he had not read. Fox has frequently been a shill for left leaning pols of both parties.

Don't expect morality in any form to come out of the GOP, especially now. If you are waiting for any of these pricks in the Bush administration to denounce Limbaugh, you will be waiting in vain.

Rush is a classic narcissist. He seemingly has no sympathy or empathy for anyone. People are just objects to him. When others speak, you can tell Rush isn't even listening. He is only thinking about what he is going to say next. In his delusional mind, any criticism is motivated by jealousy of his success, of course. I mean he does have millions of listeners. By then again there are millions of idiots in this country.

I have never heard Diane Rehm go off on anyone. On this issue, she let Rush have it. If you can make someone with the grace and poise of Diane Rehm angry, you must certainly be King of the Bastards.

Like Jan said, people with humility understand that at any time they too could become sick and helpless. Michael J. Fox and Christopher Reeves are men to look up to. They are brave in the face of great obstacles. Rush Limbaugh is the kind of man we teach our sons not to become. Real men don’t act this way.

Stevie,

Although my natural inclination would be to disagree with you for citing a comment from a mentally unstable and quasi-egomaniacal source, i.e. me, in support of your argument, I'm going to defer in this instance.

In my humble opinion Limbaugh is an overly pompous, self assured and arrogant narcissist much as you described.

The only mitigating factor I see in his behavior is that as a member of the "entertainment" industry he can be expected to occasionally do the outrageous in order to keep himself in the public eye.

Which point of course ignores any moral or ethical considerations.

Although his radio show is at times interesting, I personally can only take it in small doses because, quite frankly, I don't respect the man.

P.S. Sooner or later today some blogger or another is going to mention the ongoing firestorm over John Kerry's "stuck in Iraq" remark.

Who's on first?

Jan,

That is a red herring. You are focusing on the irrelevant feeble-mindedness of Jan rather than the substance and context of Jan’s earlier comment. Shame on you Jan! Oh wait, that might actually be an ad-hominem attack against Jan. Come on Jan! All we are saying is give Jan a chance!

Who will mention John Kerry first? Oh Hell, let’s just skip over substantive debate about his comments and go Ann Coulter on his ass! John Kerry is a total fag!

JH - Too late (5:57 am):

King Rush certainly made a lot of hay over Kerry's foot in mouth, but Kerry claim he botched a bad joke rings more true to me:

"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq -- and not the president who got us stuck there -- they're crazy," Kerry added

"I mean he does have millions of listeners. By then again there are millions of idiots in this country."

Stevie you normally have more credibility in your posts but you lost it on that generalization.

Micheal J. Fox of course suffers from a horrible disease. His ad was not on behalf of the Parkinsons foundation, it was on behalf of and paid for by a Democratic candidate for the purpose of winning an election. That my friends is called a political ad.

It's content is disingenious in that it claims voting for a Democrat will bring and end to Parkinsons and meanwhile Republicans don't care about people with diseases. It also provides false hope to sick people that voting for Democrats will end their afflictions. That is cruel.

As WJ mentioned Fox admitted not having read the MO amendment. I think I would take the time to read something if I was going to be a spokesman for it.

Democrats have cleverly found a new source to express their views: victims who are seen as above criticism because they are victims!!

MJ Fox is a victim of a disease so if one disagrees with him then they are instantly portrayed as a villian. Cindy Sheehan is another example. The Jersey Girls who lost their husbands in 9/11 and over the years have launched scathing attacks at the president another example.

Jan, as for Kerry. Rush is a radio talk show host, Kerry is an elected representative of the US Govt., a powerful one at that.

You decide which is worse: a talk show host commenting on an actor with a disease performing a political ad or a US Senator implying all of our troops in Iraq are uneducated.

Dan.

So you REALLY think that's what Kerry was saying?

If so, may we start taking literally what pops out of the Deciders Mouth? Can we make that a retroactive agreement?

George Bush redefined a "conservative" as someone who believed in enormous deficits.

OK we agree on that! So are you really going to vote for Bush "conservatives"?

"The illiteracy level of our children are appalling."

"Astronauts ... courageous spacial entrepreneurs."

"There's only one person who hugs the mothers and the widows, the wives and the kids upon the death of their loved one. Others hug but having committed the troops, I've got an additional responsibility to hug and that's me and I know what it's like."

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption."

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program."

" My job is to, like, think beyond the immediate."

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Slice it and dice it anyway you want JDR. Kerry's spinmeisters are trying the same thing and it's not working.

McCain was on FNC last night and he thought it was a slap on the troops plain and simple and that Kerry should apologize and move on.

Gotta catch a flight to western KY. Have a good day and I'll log on tonight from my hotel. There will probably be 80 posts on this thread by then.

BTW I thought the N&R was banning election related LTEs on line. This one even has the dirty word "election" in it's content.

Stevie,

Thanks for the laughs, add a little coffee to that and it makes a great start to the morning.

Dan,

Don't misunderstand me in regards to Kerry. Although I don't think he's quite idiotic enough to have meant the statement in the way it was taken, I do believe his accusation that the Republicans had "distorted" it for political gain was ridiculous.

A blown gag intended as an insult to the President? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, but he's been a politician long enough to know that you'll more often than not be attacked on what you actually say than on what you intended and to try to portray himself as a victim of Republican smear rather than his own verbal incompetence strikes me as highly hypocritical.

Couldn't he have just explained what he meant to say and apologize for not having stated it properly?

Although I felt badly about it at the time, his "post comment" manuevering reminded me why - during the last Presidential election - I ignored both he and Bush and wrote in a much more qualified candidate.

My Border Collie.

JDR, I'm curious, I see no reference to Bush in Kerry's "botched joke". Can you connect the dots for me?

Earlier today I read that Kerry was reading a speech written something like this (I'm paraphrasing, Neo):

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq, as our President has done."

...but he forgot to add "as our President has done."

I ask again - Kerry may be a looser - but do you REALLY think he would deliberately say the military is full of stupid kids that couldn't finish high school?

I have no respect at all for Kerry.

However, when I heard his comment, I took it as an attack on the President, not as one against the troops. As a former Marine, I would be greatly offended if I thought the attack was meant to insult our troops.

Again, I don't like Kerry, but I sure can't jump him for attcking the troops when I don't think he did so. I think he made a stupid comment, one that could be viewed as an attack on them, and he should be more careful in the future, though

Just my 2 cents.

THe Republican National Committee responded under its "America Weakly" banner. "Kerry Apologizes to No One: 2004 Dem Presidential Nominee John Kerry Refuses to Apologize for Belittling U.S. Troops."

Do you think ANYONE would deliberately say the military is full of stupid kids that couldn't finish high school? Jeeze. Name one freaking person that would honestly believe that.

Dan, if Kerry had started imitating troops and acting retarded, I would agree that he deserves the same criticism Rush is getting. I think Kerry should not have said that. However, if you go to Myrtle Beach, you will see plenty of jarheads picking fights and acting like drunken morons. Many soldiers are dumb grunts who unfortunately make Kerry’s words ring true. But, do I think public people should refrain from such comments? Yes I do. It’s not a fair characterization and probably offends many of those who serve. If all soldiers were dumb-asses, how could we have the best military in the world?

On the subject of credibility, do you really think you sound credible by using Ann Coulter's talking points almost verbatim? This is the most ridiculous argument ever. Who is this evil cabal who is prohibiting you from criticizing Cindy Sheehan, etc.? Criticize all you want.

However, you guys don’t criticize Sheehan’s position; you criticize her for daring to take it. The same holds true with the Dixie Chicks, etc. Rush didn’t criticize Fox for his position on stem cell research; he made fun of him and said he’s off his meds intentionally. There is a big difference. I’m sorry you don’t see that.

JDR, I think Kerry is trying to wiggle out of his comments. I think he meant it, exactly the way it sounded. His explanation that he was actually criticizing Bush is kinda lame, IMO. Like Nitpicker said, sometimes politicians slip up and say exactly what they mean. Does he probably regret it? I’m sure he does. But as to his defense of what I heard him say, that dog don’t hunt.

By doing good in school, you can avoid having to join a killing machine to make a good living. Like it or not, it’s the truth. I know a man who commanded troops in Vietnam and he say’s the stupidity of many soldiers was part of the problem. Not the only problem, but a real one nonetheless. If I were a public figure, I probably would not have said that. That’s why I could never be a politician.

JDR, how do you read his mind? Even if it was a blunder, the perception on record, on film, video and radio is that he said it exactly the way he did. There's no way to confuse it with a joke.

His arrogant refusal to apologize for saying "it" deepens the perception that he meant it.

"if Kerry had started imitating troops and acting retarded, I would agree that he deserves the same criticism Rush is getting."

Nice slam at the troops, Stevie D. Do you write Kerry's "jokes"?

Our so-called Liberal Press has taken Kerry's comments out of context. If you listen to the entire speech, you'll note that a just prior to his thoughts regarding Iraq/studying, he insults the President's intelligence. From my point of view he is continuing that train of thought.

If you listen to the context of things, and read between the lines (rather than taking everything you hear literally) you’ll hear the actual intended message. Now, while Kerry did not insult the intelligence of our troops, I do feel owes the President an apology.

Regardless of whether or not I disagree with the President (and I do). Bush still holds a position of respect. Name-calling never impressed me. That said, Kerry’s show of immaturity hasn’t impressed me one bit.

Steve D. I whole heartedly and ferociously disagree. Not that some jirines don't occassionally ack like an ass - if you went to college you saw some reall asses there too - but that they represent any form of majority in our services.

Stevie, Cindy Sheehan is fair game now as she has made such an idiot of herself. At first though, if anyone maligned her there was hell to pay. Using victims as spokespeople for political campaigning is a tactic Dems employ. The Michael J. Fox ad proves this and it's worthy of discussion.

As for idiots, yep you do find them anywhere. I found one leaving the Panthers game Sun. night. A drunk Panthers fan calling a Dallas fan (walking with a woman) a homo and various other insults and then the Panthers fan started throwing fists. The Dallas fan and the woman ran to their car and got in. I went up to them and told them that idiot was way out of line and I hope they don't think all Panthers fans act like that.

So, just because one Panther fan was an idiot you can't say we all are. Ditto with the military. If Kerry had just been honest and apologized instead of spinning and offering more defiance the whole thing would have blown over.

My flight is waiting. Good bye.

When I saw this LTE I KNEW what would occur....and they didn't let us down!

Dan taking up for comedian Rush Limbaugh is predictable. Dan attacking John Kerry is predictable. But the desperate way in which today's climate has forced him to, is downright hilarious. Hollywood cannot make up stuff as funny as this! By the way Dan, when it comes to war, KERRY ACTUALLY SERVED....!

Great LTE! Pointing out the hypocrisy of the current gaggle of leaders is funny in and of itself, but this letter drove a stake in the heart of the "RELIGIOUS" conservatives.

Hugh:

I did not "read his mind", that's what the "Kerry Controllers" are saying ... just like the White House does following damm near ever thing GWB says ... "What he meant was ..." If you've not hear that 100 times this year, turn your hearing aid up too.

Is it "Kerry Controller" Bull? I don't know, but I can't believe anyone would say that intentionally. Should Kerry just come out and say he screwed up - hell yea.

But OK - you're right, it's on record, on film, videoed and radioed. He said it exactly the way he did. There's no way to confuse it with a joke.

So the following is literally true too.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS (boy is that a whine or What.)
STAY THE COURSE
A Conservative is someone who believes in enormous deficits.
"The illiteracy level of our children are appalling."
"Astronauts [are] courageous spacial entrepreneurs."
"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption."

JDR, what exactly do you ferociously disagree with? I did say, "If all soldiers were dumb-asses, how could we have the best military in the world?” What else do I need to say?

I get sick of the sanctimonious attitudes when anyone say's anything about soldiers other than, "They are our best and brightest". Soldiers, like anyone are not above criticism. Trial lawyers, for example, protect our freedoms as well. I bet Lee Greenwood won't be writing songs about them any time soon.

I am not saying Kerry meant it as a criticism of all soldiers. Maybe it just came out differently than he meant it. I can’t read his mind. I am only explaining the way it sounded to me. I think saying “That came out all wrong” is a better explanation than “I was taken out of context”.

Kerry should have said “That came out all wrong”.

... and just because a group is "the best in the world" does not exempt them being another distinction ... after all, Rush would say the Democrats are both "the best Democrats in the world" and "a bunch of dumb asses.

"Nice slam at the troops, Stevie D. Do you write Kerry's "jokes"?

Isn't it wonderful to see Hugh and others getting so sensitive? Political correctness is bad when it's used to criticize Rush. It's a completely valid point of debate to criticize a Democrat for being insensitive.

Rush makes fun of Parkinson's disease symptoms, no problem. Kerry (seemingly) makes unflattering remarks about soldiers. Get me my smellin' salts! I think I'm gonna faint! Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.

JDR, I think both parties are a bunch of dumb-asses. Didn't you know that everyone is stupid except me? But seriously, I appreciate the various views expressed in this debate.

I think we should all be more kind and respectful of other viewpoints, myself included. Likewise, I think we should all be more honest, even if honesty is offensive. It's kind of hard sometimes to find a happy medium on that, is it not?

Stevie D,

We are on the same page on this one. I think Kerry meant exactly what he said. Kerry is a smug elitist and probably didn't know he would offend anyone with his remarks. To say he was talking about Bush is just dumb.

As far as JDR's contention that a vet would never say such things, Kerry wasn't exactly the same type soldier that he was referring to. Kerry was not some poor, uneducated guy who had little other opportunity than the military. Let's also not forget this is the same person who came back and threw away his purple stars. That shows a lot of love for the military, huh?

Even if Kerry didn't mean to say what he said, did you notice all the folks laughing about it after he said it?

I would love someone to explain to me how they could interpret that sentence as talking about the President.

One other thing, Stevie. I also believe there is actually some truth in what he said. Often, it is the folks in the poor towns where there is little opportunity that the recruiters do well in. These kids often aren't stupid, they just don't have the resources to go to college and the military has long been a 'way out'.

Oops, almost forgot the actual topic. Rush is an idiot who is laughing all the way to the bank. Michael J Fox has an agenda. Politics is dirty. Nuff said.

Will what Rush or Kerry said affect my vote? Not in the least.

Most folks know it's not the rich kids who have mommie and daddy's to pay their way into college that the recruiters target. The promise of a rewarding career and free education are ploys used in recruitment ads to high schoolers. Recruiters even go onto school grounds and try to talk to the kids without their parents present. I know this not only because I saw it on 20/20 but because it happened to a friend's son. After he said he would think about it, the recruiter started harassing him at home (Calling him to see if his parents were at home, then showing up at the door.)

It is my opinion Kerry was warning kids to stay in school and get an education so Iraq would not be the only option they had. As one who voluntarily enlisted and actually served in Nam (unlike the coward in the WH), he could speak first hand about the perils of war. Also I think he had the perfect opportunity to take a jab at a man who showed absolutely no couth, decorum, morals, any truth or ethics during the 2004 campaign, so he did. (If Bush and spin docs had done to me what they did to Kerry and Clealand, I would have taken him on long before now.)

Kerry should not have said what he did to a group of kids. He should have addressed Bush at another time. But to think he was talking trash about our soldiers, one of which he WAS, is ludicrous.

The GOP's reaction shows how desperate and running scared they are. And it also shows what I have said all along; GWB is now reaping what he sowed. He set in motion the standard for the obscenely dirty politics of this decade. He deserves no respect, imho, because he has not shown any respect for anyone who does not cater to him. A person must earn respect rather than expecting a position to GIVE it to them. That is tannamount to a minister expecting respect because of his/her position but molesting children at the same time. Makes no sense to me.

So true Nitpicker. This reality of recruiting you mentioned is illustrated well in Fahrenheit 911. The recruiters are definitely not going after yuppie kids driving BMW’s. Actually, one of the recruiters in that segment of the movie died this year in Iraq. I was heartbroken when I heard that. Those guys were very polite and respectful of Michael Moore. I say rich or poor, dumb or smart….BRING THEM HOME NOW!

Nit - I would say some "got the joke", even though the joke sucked, even though Kerry blew the punch line. But I was not there.

If you really cannot see how it COULD have been a lame joke about the President .. jeeze.

For the record, Limbaugh is a pompus blowhard and I won't be voting for him or Bush in this election.

Stevie, what was that you were saying about sensitivity?

Hugh - glad to see you're using you head in voting decisions, ruling out George & What-a-Rush.

here's the official "spin":

A Kerry spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said Kerry’s prepared text had called for him to say: “Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush.”

“Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush.”

So that was the intended joke? Nigga please! (just in case anyone here has not yet been offended). I want to hear someone say, “Well I never!” You never hear that anymore.

I think Kerry meant what he said, it came out wrong and his point was not to criticize soldiers. I think Yvonne is right in her assertion that Kerry was probably telling them to get an education so they have more options than the military. What’s wrong with that? Even if he did flub it up, is it not a true message? Why would he try to spin away from that?

Disclaimer: I am not a crook. I mean, I am not a bigot. Uh…I have plenty of black friends.

Do you see that as 'spin' or do you see that as credible?

He just happened to leave out the 'us' and the "Just ask President Bush".

jeeze.

As far as COULD, yeah coulda woulda shoulda. I just don't believe it. Of course, with Kerry's record, who knows what the heck he means when he says it.

I agree that Bush is just as bad about putting his foot in his mouth. How did these guys ever get elected?

How many times can someone say "What I meant to say was......." ??

Stevie,

"Well I never!" stopped being said somewhere around the time Fred Sanford started saying "and you never will"

A respectful aside to my fellow "regular" bloggers:

I would never seek to either ignore or minimize the existence of military recruiters who "prey" upon the poor to enhance their own quota numbers.

Yet having dealt with literally hundreds of military personel in my life and career I've got to say that there's a lot more to it than that.

Yes, military service does entail the risk of death, dismemberment or severe psychological trauma, but, as something of a counter balance, it does offer educational opportunities that simply don't otherwise exist for many in our society.

That may seem like an unfair trade-off from the comfort of our homes, but to a young person trying to plan for their future the perspective is entirely different.

I have a great nephew who grew up in a stable and financially solvent household. He excelled both in sports and academically and was in fact offerred a wrestling scholarship to the University of Maryland.

He instead opted to enlist in the military, and even shunned my offer to assist in getting him an appointment to one of the service academies.

Since then he's gotten a degree in electrical engineering, taken courses at several of the advanced weapons and tactics schools, completed several courses in psychology and served as an instructor with the Army War College.

Although he's now only in his mid-thirties he's now a Lt. Colonel with a few dozen times the amount of supervisory and command experience that I managed to accumulate in more than fifty years of civilian employment.

Will he one day die on an obscure battlefield while involved in a poorly directed military incursion? Possibly, but if so he will have given his life with a full realization of the risk he's taking, and with the dual commitment of enhancing the experiences of his own life while serving in the protection of his country.

Don't sell these kids short, for every one that's "snookered" into enlisting, there's another who both knows and understands the life he's signing on to.

"“Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush.”"

If that was indeed supposed to be a joke, coming from a guy, Kerry, who got worse grades in college and has less formal education than Bush, It's hilarious.

Taking a break from raking leaves...the autum leaves drift by my window...by the ton.

Well said, Yvonne. I agree. SD, are you actually kind of sort of criticizing Kerry. All I can say is Bless His Heart.

Let's all jump on Kerry and forget the 102 soldiers who died in October. Let's get our priorities straight. Wonder what the WH will sneak past us during this hoop la la. Foley's problems covered up the Military Act. Betcha the majority of Americans don't know what happened.

Also well said, Jan. To lump ANY group and sterotype them is not really bright. As best I can tell from the blogs, that is what most are saying. There are good and bad in the military, as in any other sector of life.

I pray for the safety of our troops. I pray that they will not be asked to kill others. I pray that if they make it home, there will be job opportunities and medical care for the maimed and mentally shattered. I pray that the war will end.

Hugh:

I am all the time making up jokes ... and a few of them .. some .. ok many of them .. bomb.

When that happens I say: "I said it was a joke; I did not say it was a funny joke."

Maybe I could sell some material to the DNC!

Carol,

I don't know about you but raking leaves is one chore I actually enjoy.

By raking them myself I can be assured that the resultant piles are free of both rocks and large sticks, thus insuring my relative safety when I finally give into temptation and dive into the pile.

Some pleasures never grow old.

Troops reponse to John Kerry:
http://www.620wtmj.com/images/uploaded/Help%20Photo20061101105508.JPG

hugh,

All politics aside, the link was hilarious!

Even in a war zone, you can't kill the American sense of humor.

Glad the focus is back on IRAQ!! Yes, the President is back where he didn't want to be...Thank you John Kerry!

How many more young soldiers will die for Ramadi? Just heard a caller into the Neal Bortz show read a quote from Henry Kissinger...and believe me it was much worse than the misinterpretation of Kerry's comments. I'll try to find the exact quote.

Here is what one of Bush's advisors and top Republican Diplomat thinks of the military:

“Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” - Henry Kissinger, quoted in “Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POW’s in Vietnam”

Can't wait for Dan to turn that one into a handsome prince! LOL!

I love the Deacon, he could incite a riot in a mortuary.

Going to pick up my girls soon so I don't have time to research the Kissinger quote for context, but if he meant it to reflect his own held opinion then he is without doubt a card carrying idiot himself.

I rather suspect he used it as an illustration of what he considered to be the political concept of military personel, in which case I'd have to agree that it has often been the case both tragically and historically in this country.

Dan seems to me to be a reasonable person, and if Kissinger meant it in my suspected context I think he'd agree as well.

In refrain, like a dog that sometimes barks too much but does keep you from oversleeping, Demon Deacon keeps life from devolving into absolute boredom.

Sic him Dan. ;-)

Henry Kissenger's camp just issued a statement. This is what he meant to say:

"People who have harassed military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy just as our president has done."

or something like that.

Hugh, I must admit that is an interesting fact. It seems Kerry's grades were just under Bush's. Not that formal education is the tell-all test of intelligence. But, it is interesting sure enough.

So we had two Yale, Skull and Bones, elitist C students to choose from in the last election. Comforting isn't it? Some say they are distant cousins as well.

I tried to restrain myself but the little devil on my shoulder is overpowering me. Here are two clips from the late comedian Bill Hicks. They both relate to today's discussion. Warning! This guy makes Richard Pryor look like Mother Teresa. This is definitely not for the kids. Bill Hicks died in 1994. I wonder what he would be saying now.

Bill Hicks on gays in the military
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Np6_b-72H3E

Bill Hicks on Rush Limbaugh.
I won’t even post the link to this one. Search in YouTube using keywords “Bill Hicks Rush Limbaugh” and you will find it. It is also a riot. But, it is so dirty I’m afraid I might get in trouble with the N&R for linking to that one. Second Warning! It is hilarious but really dirty.

Michael J. Fox himself has admitted to exaggerating his symptoms for political purposes in the past. Limbaugh merely questioned whether Fox had done it this time as well.
Limbaugh never mocked Fox or his illness.

After a month of so or a few pages a night reading, I finally finished "Battle Cry of Freedom", a tome on the Civil War. Several parallels and collosions come to mind:

"Rich Man's War, Poor Man's Fight" was the slogan.

"The Army" consisted of state militia - each state was required to come up with a fixed count of people - think of it as 100% "National Guard" forces (like our Constitution requires). I think Mass' actually provided the most men for the Union army.

This resulted in State Sponsored drafts, but it was accepted for a wealthy man with a spare $300 to purchase a surrogate; whites only need apply.

Many commanders were, at first, just the wealthy that wanted a bit of glory. Soon the wheat separated from the chaff. Lincoln especially replaced many a West Point Commander because they had credentials but not enough "fight".

The media was fiercly divided. It may be fair to say every one knew it; I would suggest that these days, not everyone knows that.

Politics were just a slimy.
Lincoln was a Great Man.
At times, Soldiers are beyond human.
War is hell.
Lee is my Hero; I love the order of his priorties: "Honor, Family, Country".

jcackbar,

I have seen footage where it appeared Rush mocked Fox.

james d rock,

as a southerner, you should be aware that Lincoln was the devil incarnate.

"Michael J. Fox himself has admitted to exaggerating his symptoms for political purposes in the past."

Really? Show us. He did go before a congressional comittee sans medication - but that's not exaggerating his symptoms, it's the opposite: not-supressing his symptoms.

Limbaugh never mocked Fox or his illness. Really? I'll have to watch the video.

"cack bar",
If this isn't making fun of a Parkinson's patient, I don't know what you'd define it as.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhtYk5crxVY

Amazes me how many will defend comedian Rush Limbaugh, but then attack John Kerry. Neither is running for office, but I think the LTE writer got it right about the religious supporters of Bush--if they can't see making fun of Parkinson's disease for what it is, then they really aren't Christians now are they?

James,
I loved the Doris Kearns Goodwin bio on Lincoln called Team of Rivals. Rather than stay in a bubble with like minded people, Lincoln had a pair big enough to put his political enemies within his inner circle. By listening to all sides, Lincoln was a great President. What a great idea! Too bad ol' dubya can't stand dissenting opinions--we might not be in the quagmire we are in if he had listened to opinions other than "slam dunk Tenet and "last throes" Cheney, or "dead ender" Rumsfeld. John Murtha for President!

Greetings from Paducah, KY.

As DD would say, "you can't make this stuff up".

What can't you make up? Democrats are distancing themselves from Kerry in droves to save themselves. Harold Ford and even Hillary have condemned his remarks. Kerry appearances with Democratic candidates in IA and MN have been cancelled!! This loon screwed up his own campaign two years ago now the party just wants him to keep his mouth shut, kinda like Dean.

Looks like Kerry finally saw the light and apologized. Kudos to him, but when his own turn on him he has no choice.

http://my.earthlink.net/article/pol?guid=20061101/454829d0_3421_1334520061101-1957340110

I can't wait till '08 in hopes that Kerry, Hillary, and algore go after each other for the spot.

JDR, see for yourself:
http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wmv/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/Video/Fox.asx
Limbaugh asked a legitimate question of someone who made a public political statement. If Fox didn't want anyone to question his statement he should not have made it.
Limbaugh did not mock Fox or Fox's illness.

Jan, agreed the Deacon could incite a riot in a mortuary. Nice way to put it.

It flatters me that I'm always on his mind. I've been travelling all day and unable to post, but he has mentioned me numerous times.

Good link Jcackbar. The one thing I would add is that is was not just a public political statement, it was a political ad paid for by a Democratic candidate in order to....well hell everyone knows what paid political ads are for, probably even DD.

"Limbaugh did not mock Fox or Fox's illness."

Jcackbar,

That is a statement of opinion, not fact. Watch the video DD posted. I personally would call this mocking. It is also an accusation that Fox was merely acting. What exactly would constitute mocking in your mind?

Your repeated claim that he did not mock him is all you are offering as a defense. What does the link you posted with Fox’s response have to do with whether or not Rush was mocking him? Help me out here.

If Rush flailing his arms around was not "mocking" then it would take a FOXNews line underneath Rush saying, "Rush is now mocking a person afflicted with Parkinsons" for the "cackbar" to admit it. No surprise that Dan is spouting the party line--in fact it is one of the most predictable things. But I never thought he'd get down to neoCon's level...of course water seeks its level.

BTW, wonder if Rush were talking about the Rev. Billy Graham, another Parkinson's sufferer---would "cackbar" defend him there? Oh, no, he'd be acting too.

DD, I'm not usually interested in your views, but I am this time.

1) Tell me about your military service please. You asked me on another LTE as if I couldn't comment on military matters, I answered, I asked you, don't remember you answering.

2) Tell me about your take on Kerry's comment.

Thanks in advance!

JC Ackbar ... read slowly:

He admitted to NOT taking medication .. I said "sans medication" - that means without.

With Parkinson's, the medication supresses symptoms. By not taking medication, he simply showed his symptoms.

Hello. Is a n y one h o m e.?

Also here's your friend Rush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F05T9cU8hxQ

JDR, je suis trés heureux que tu comprennes la langue française en utilisant le mot sans.

King FerdinDan - I don't speak French - one of my many faults, but I'm assuming you are calling me out on the use of the "sans", as in "Sans Medication".

Sans
Pronunciation: 'sanz
Function: preposition
Etymology: Middle English saun, sans, from Middle French san, sans, modification of Latin sine without

As in

Thus pour the stars down plagues for
perjury.
Can any face of brass hold longer out?—
Here stand I
lady, dart thy skill at me;
Bruise me with scorn, confound me with a flout;
Thrust thy sharp wit quite through my ignorance;
Cut me to pieces with thy keen conceit;
And I will wish thee never more to dance,
Nor never more in Russian habit wait.
O, never will I trust to speeches penn'd,
Nor to the motion of a schoolboy's tongue,
Nor never come in vizard to my friend,
Nor woo in rhyme, like a blind harper's song!
Taffeta phrases, silken terms precise,
Three-piled hyperboles, spruce affectation,
Figures pedantical; these summer-flies
Have blown me full of maggot ostentation:
I do forswear them; and I here protest,
By this white glove; how white the hand, God knows!
Henceforth my wooing mind shall be express'd
In russet yeas and honest kersey noes:
And, to begin, wench, so God help me, la!
My love to thee is sound, sans crack or flaw.

Sans Medication - Without Medication.

Dan,

Why does it make you happy that JDR understands French enough to use the word "sans"? Après tout, les Français sont un groupe de vin suçant des pensées ! ;-)

Bravo JDR, I enjoyed it. Sans btw has a silent "s" on the end.

Stevie, I'm just like Gomez Adams, whenever I hear French it excites me. Just having fun, lighten up.

Btw, what does "After all, the French are a group of wine sucking thoughts" mean?

JDR,
You slay Dan with the truth, and that has him jumping like that chicken on the hot plate. For the unintiated, they had one down at the now defunct "Buffalo Ranch" between Asheboro and Charlotte, where you'd put in a dime and the chicken would dance. To be more "PC" they eventually removed the hot plate and put in a record turntable. The chicken would left its legs and appear to be dancing. That was a great place and I always wished it was around when my kids came along. They had goats that walked on high wires and narrow catwalks and it was a great place.
Anyway, James you had poor ol' Dan stepping and fetching for straws--the truth has its way of separating fact from fiction.

Stevie D,
The answer to your question is that it is an affectation for Dan to feign culture and advanced education. Trouble is, James' horse sense is far ahead of the boy.

Dan,
Guess it was Rush who was "SANS MEDICATION"!
LOL!

DD, Can I have some of whatever you are drinking please?

While you are at it, please let us know about your military service.

JAMES,
Knowing of your fondness for history, here is a great comment tonight by Keith Olbermann--"a modern day Edward R. Murrow". It will make the hair on the back of your neck rise up and it will cause the rabid Bush apologists to skulk around the house.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15519404/

Some of the apologists will just have to skip it, as it contains some 50 cent words and some actual history.

Dan,
I believe it was "I" who asked you about your expertise. You seemed to count yourself as a "Para-professional Military Expert" and I called you out on another thread.
So how is it Dan?
Tell us all about your "tour".

You see, I never claimed the mantle of "GI-Joe" as you have done on another thread, so please, without delay, tell us of your credentials. Are you spouting drivel that Rush, Bush, Cheney, and Rummy have put in your head, or are you an independent "Patriotic Veteran" of another war, at another time?

Tell us about your qualifications, as we are all waiting to hear---or are you the equivalent of Richard "DICK" Cheney, who although a warmonger, is in reality just a chicken hawk.

Newsflash DD, Kerry apologized, rightfully so, not Bush. Your buddy Olbermann, like you, is a day late and a dollar short as usual.

Well, I guess "Sergeant Dan" will not reply tonight, so I will bid him "adieu".

(adieu = farewell or good-bye!)

DD: "You seemed to count yourself as a "Para-professional Military Expert"

Gee whiz, I like facts instead of supposition. Please search through the archives, they go back about 18 months, cut and paste any of my posts where I counted myself as a "para-professional military expert" (btw no caps required) and get back to me please. You belittle yourself again.

One more time, I have not served in the military. Does that bar me from commenting anything regarding military matters? If so, I guess you need to shut up too.

As jan said you could incite a riot in a mortuary. Good for laughter only but not much else.

DD, glad you know what adieu means. Look up "va te faire enculer". I'm sure someone on the WFU squad can help you out.

Damn (or "dang" in Southern) and to think a conservative knows fluent French, has lived in Europe and been there a few dozen times since. I thought NC conservatives, and the rest for that part, were a bunch of hayseeds who live in trailers and have never travelled further than Myrtle Beach!!

Dan, I noticed Lurch appoligized only after Hillary came out and criticized what he had said about the military personnel in Iraq...perhaps after his own failed attempt he is hoping for a veep pick on her ticket in '08?

Oh btw, I suspect the closest the world traveler has ever come to the military was tossing rotten eggs their way at one of those protests and calling them 'baby killers'... at a safe distance of course.

Limbaugh posed a very legitimate question: Was Fox acting or was he off his meds to accentuate his Parkinson's symptoms? It's legitimate because Fox himself personally admitted that he's done exactly that to fraudulently misrepresent his illness for political purposes.
When one admits prior fraudulent action to making a public political statement I think it's legitimate to question whether the current action is legitimate or faked. Fair question, no matter which side you're on.

Neo, I think Lurch is finished. Too much baggage that even Hillary won't touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's an embarrasment even to Dems just like DD!!

jcackbar,

I know you are not dense so why not stop the charade?

Dan,

Hillary said she thought Kerry's statement was "inappropriate" as have several people. I have yet to hear of or see anyone "distancing" themselves from Kerry.

Now GWB is a different story. Repubs know they cannot win without denouncing Bush's policies and distancing themselves from him. I know you are personally in denial about this but I have seen it on national TV and heard it on NPR.

Women are especially speaking out about what is important to them. They are not being sidetracked by the strawmen the GOP keeps trying to build. Iraq is the number one issue for women, dems and repubs alike, and they are not happy with the way repubs have handled our involvement. And they are less likely to vote party line just to support a particular party. (Which makes me wonder why some men are not as rational.)

You and everyone else can debate who did what first, but the focus for the rest of us is how to solve the hellacious disaster GWB has created.

Dan,

LOL! I don't know French at all. I was messing with ya. I went to that translation site and typed in, "The French are a bunch of wine sucking pansies" and that is what I got. How on earth did you interpret what I wrote as reason to believe I need to "lighten up" Again, look at the smiley. I was joking. It is funny what that site produces sometimes. It's cool even though it can't translate with complete accuracy.

Dan,

It's amazing how Rush and others have convinced people that all private schools are filled with elitist liberals. If you think the student body of WFU or its staff are all liberals, you are a either a fool or a victim of brainwashing. I will go with the latter in your case. I had a friend who got his undergraduate degree there and he complained all the time about conservatives in the staff and student body. The idea that the elite are generally left-leaning is so moronic, it is beyond words.

"We are filthy rich, and we want more socialism!" Does that make sense? I don’t mean to sound patronizing by saying you are brainwashed either. I am serious. People believe that crap from excessive TV watching and/or listening to right-wing radio all day. If you say something enough, people begin to think it’s true no matter how illogical it is. Repetition is the easiest and most effective way to brainwash people. Intelligent people are not immune to it either. Don’t let these nuts make you think Babs and Alec Baldwin in any way represent the majority of progressives. They don’t.

Yvonne, I guess you didn't read my 6:59 pm post. Democratic candidates in MN & IA have cancelled planned appearances with Kerry. I would consider that "distancing" oneself no?

Can you please tell me what the vision of congressional Democrats is in this election? I've said before I'm fed up with all of them, but I would trust my safety and my wallet less to a Democrat.

Stevie, I enjoyed the translation. Sometimes things don't translate correctly from one language to the other.

Did I strike a nerve about WFU? My post didn't say anything about libs or conservatives at private schools, I was simply referring to DD's name and it happens to be the same as WFU.

Gotta go to work now & then fly back to NC tonight so I won't be a posting today. Have a good one.

The French language is a total embarassment to me. I took six years of it in school - more than fifty years ago - and don't remember enough of it to infuriate a waiter at a sidewalk Parisian Cafe into treating me like an insolent American.

Fortunately, most French waiters seem capable of doing it with or without my linguistic assistance.

Parlez-vous redneck?

At first, I thought jcackbar was wrong when he said Fox was misrepresenting his illness by not taking his meds. But, I think you can look at it 2 ways.

He's NOT misrepresenting his illness because the effects are actually those of the illness.

He IS misrepresenting his illness because it makes it appear that those effects are not controllable and with medication, those effects are much, much less.

So, I guess it is a matter of perspective. Rush actually made a pretty good point based on one perspective. The flailing around stuff was just insensitive and wrong, though.

Finally got online. Internet connection was down and I went into a state of panic. I need help. I am addicted.

Just had a thought. There really is only one political party. Kerry has handed the Republicans another talking point. I don't think he is dumb enough to make that comment without planning. Many will vote against the Dems just because of that comment.

Carol,

"Many will vote against the Dems just because of that comment."

Probably true, but I think it's a sad commentary on our society that "many" voters can be swayed towards voting for either party based on the verbal gaffe of the week as opposed to an informed assessment of each individual candidates merits and faults.

I've never voted a straight party line in either direction, and don't plan to this year, but can't see myself switching my vote based on the remarks of a policitican that I never have supported to begin with.

It would have to be not only an extreme remark, but one issued from a position of extreme power in order to have such an influence on me personally.

Feel free to make your own projections based upon that paragraph. ;-)

They say politics makes strange bedfellows, but I believe Dan and neoCON were separated at birth and are now connected. Congratulations on the reuniting of the two---and without surgery!

Just listened to today's DR show...fair and balanced defined.

She had "Frank Luntz, founder of The Luntz Research Companies. He is a Republican pollster, political and media consultant, and author of the forthcoming book "Words That Work." and "Donna Brazile, founder and managing director of Brazile & Associates. She is a Democratic strategist, chair of the DNC's Voting Rights Institute, former manager of the 2000 Gore-Lieberman campaign, and author of "Cooking With Grease."

On news reporting Lutz said and I paraphrase: Sadly, most listen only to news which affirms their beliefs. And also that it is not what you say, it is how it is perceived.

Another great show.

Carol,

"On news reporting Lutz said and I paraphrase: Sadly, most listen only to news which affirms their beliefs."

I think this guy is absolutely right, and I also think it contradicts your earlier point about people voting against Dems because of what Kerry said. My initial thought, which you then supported with this quote, was that not once single person would change his/her vote because of what Kerry had said. Imagine a person who is somehow on the fence between Miller and Robinson in district 13. Will this quote by an unrelated person push the voter toward Robinson? Highly unlikely. Don't get me wrong, we'll hear this total non-issue brought up many times. And we may even hear people say that they had intended to vote Dem until Kerry opened his mouth. But I would be very hard to convince that he had any real impact on this election.

Onward to 100!

Carol,

When and where does that show air?

Also, that book "Cooking with Grease" sounds right up my ally. Of course, my cardiologist won't like it too much.

jan,

I agree. I wouldn't really care if Kerry said that all white children should be aborted at the age of 4. It would make no difference in my vote unless I was voting for him or someone who agreed with that sentiment.

I did receive a call yesterday that would sway my vote. Berkley Blanks called and left a message saying that all of us who are disgusted with republicans should vote a straight democrat ticket next Tuesday. Obviously, he stands to gain as he is running as a democrat against BJ Barnes for Sheriff. I don't now about you guys, but I just don't really care if my sheriff is a democrat or a republican. That really would have turned me off if I was a neutral voter. I'd be equally turned off if Barnes called me and said to vote straight Republican. I don't need that kind of advice from a candidate for Sheriff.

I was planning on voting for Barnes so it didn't cost him my vote anyway.

Please noboby tell Limbaugh that a LTTE that had his name in the title got nearly 100 responses. He'd consider it an accomplishment, and if his ego got any bigger, it would be visible from space.

Nit,

Although it would probably not seem relevant to other prospective voters for varias reasons, there's not a single thing Mr. Blanks could do to persuade me to vote against Barnes.

Several years ago, before permanent custody was decided in my divorce, my ex-wife refused to return my children to me at the end of her scheduled visitation. Although I obtained a court order directing her to do so, and her residence was at that time within the city limits and thus under the jurisdiction of the Greensboro Police Department, that entity refused to enforce the legal order.

I walked across the street, asked for and received an audience with Sheriff Barnes, and explained the situation as he read over the court order.

When he finished reading he handed it back to me, replied that the order specified "law enforcement shall assist in the execution of this order" and told me that if the GPD wouldn't his department would.

Even though he didn't know me from Adam, he willingly bumped standard law enforcement jurisdictional protocol to do as the court had directed.

THAT'S the type of Sheriff I want, even if one day he were to do the same type of thing contrary to my own wishes.

My little girls were overjoyed to see me that day, and that's something I will not easily forget.

Howie,

Limbaugh's ego outgrew this universe years ago, and in the alternate one where it now resides it can be seen from anywhere.

By anyone but the blind, and they can no doubt smell it.

Whether they want to or not. ;-)

Okay, I confess, I'm trying to bump this blog up over the hundred mark.

We're on the brink now, so I'll reserve the final honor for another blogger.

Maybe Michael J Fox, was scared to overuse his prescription medicine...because he saw the effects that it had on people like Rush?

Or maybe Rush stole Fox's medicine?

100+ posts!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j197/tillytoc/clapping.gif

hugh,

Wanna' try for 1,000?

"Limbaugh's ego outgrew this universe years ago"

Jan,

You know the only reason this blog is so busy is because I am blogging in it. Stevie D -Excellence In Blogging! ;-)

Speaking of egos...:-)

To listen to the DR show online, this is the link.

http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/

Stevie my friend,

Please be careful lest you use your name in vain and suffer your terrible wrath.

My prayers are with you, or to you, or something like that.

I will be careful Jan, so help me ME.

JH, the only way to get to 1000 would be for the core group here to bookmark this thread and use it for a chat home. As it is we just bounce around from one thread to another.

Great LTE and great commentary! Great record of over 100+ posts!

Go Deacs, beat Boston College!

Sorry hugh,

It was the insane part of my mind speaking.

Which as is becoming apparent, represents a working majority.

Damn gerrymandering.

Carol,

Thanks for the link.

Guilford Native,

Way to go on post 100!

Too much spurious attacks and mudslinging going on here. :) Better leave before they zap us all with their photobeam incinerators.

Jan's story is why in ignorance on this local issues I vote as I do ...

Sheriff's: Pull the Red Lever. Assume Red means conservative which means uphold the law.

Judges: Pull the Blue Lever. Assume Blue means liberal which means knowing laws are written by men, occassionally men have agendas or for some other reason act stupidly, and apply common sense.

I'm sure that's more often wrong than right, but I need some rational in the booth.

James,

Agree or disagree at least you have a philosophy. I've known too many people over the years that sacrificed their votes to "I'll cure all your problems" rhetoric rather than any true personal diecretion.

I sense that you have enough inherent "prove it" cynicism to be immune to such nonsense.

Since this thread has become a referendum on GOP vs. democrat, here's a very important endorsement:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52747

NicDanger,
Hate to tell you, but that is the old tired method of the right wingers to peg their positions to patriotism. Same thing occurred during Vietnam--we were told that the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese were in hopes of electing McGovern. What a joke! Turns out in the long run that all the war protestors were right and McNamara, Johnson, Ball, Nixon, Kissinger etc were all wrong. What exactly were we fighting for there? Oh, yeah....the spread of communism. (wank, wank) So here we are again--the ones who claimed Clinton was a "Wag the Dog" President now have their own actually going to war for NO reason whatsoever.
So, yes--you've been duped by the age old trick of tying a failed policy to patriotism. LOL!

So the Jhadist want us to vote Democratic?

How about this: We vote Democtatic, but then use common sense and rather than "cut and run" we send in about 65,000 more troups and kick there ass. That's called a Flank Manuver - get them thinking your doing one thing and then pop 'em with an unsuspected knock-out side punch.

Meanwhile, we have ridded America of the "THEY"'s in the following [from your link]:

"They did not succeed in stealing Iraq's oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw."

Kinda a two for one sale. OK with you?

http://www.tarrance.com/10862-Battleground-Poll-2006.pdf

See pages 38 and 40. Less than 1 in 4 says leave asap, and twice as many say fix Iraq before leaving (vs. leave asap).

Americans know what's at stake.

James,
You are so right about Americans. The latest FoxNews Poll even shows that it is a steep uphill battle for the GOP this time around. That's after John Kerry etc. this week.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15533129/

Hopefully, the voters will turn out the ruling party in record numbers thus neutering any more of the right wing agenda. Although I was expecting a big color code upgrade, but I see now that it is all about claiming "Patriotism" as the defense of the failed policies. Bush even said in a speech yesterday that if you vote for Democrats, you are voting with the terrorists! Oh,but there were no folks up in arms about that hyperbole. The American people sense how desperate the right wingers are and they have wised up. Let's just hope they turn out on Tuesday to make a statement.

Prediction:
Announcement of a foiled terrorist plot will come sometime in the next five days. Also, the GOP Congress will try to convince the public that they are going to hold the President's feet to the fire--this will come on the Sunday talk shows. Oh, and FoxNews will continue to hype the Kerry foible until Tuesday--even now, they are the only ones continuing it.

Yet another example of the democrats' dedication to the jihadists:

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20061015-101426-7581r.htm

Gotta love ol' neocon. "He don't know, that he don't know"!
Fact: While once a Dukakis campaign lieutenant, Susan Estrich is currently employed by FoxNews. She has defended Brit Hume, Carl Cameron and Bill O'Reilly saying one could never tell if they were Republicans or Democrats--so yes, she belongs in the looney bin! Anyone who cannot discern Brit Hume's hubris, and denies Carl Cameron's fabricated stories, belongs in the "nuthouse".

So, neocon, you are correct! You just had no idea HOW correct you were. LOL!

By the way, do you realize that your beloved Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church of Reverend Sun Yung Moon?!

Again, neocon is making strange bedfellows these days...and speaking of strange bedfellows, here's a great Right Wing story for tonight:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

It is beginning to seem like a daily occurence; the outing of a Gay Republican! Of course there is nothing sweeter than the outing of an anti Gay marriage religious zealot. Again, Hollywood can't make this kind of stuff up!

DD, you need to read Prospect Street by Emilie Richards...sounds like the same story. Written several years ago, however.

And more here of the democrats' love affair with the jihadists:
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200502170843.asp

And some comments from the hoese's mouth:

TCV News
Analysts Say Terrorists Want Democrats Elected
October 24, 2006 04:16 PM EST

By Sher Zieve – Appearing on television Tuesday with Fox News’ Neil Cavuto, two Middle East analysts said the Islamic terrorists want Democrats to take over US Congressional control in November, indicating they will be easier to manipulate. They also said that the increased violence in Iraq is structured to influence the elections in favor of the Democrat Party.

Btw world traveler, what does fox news have to do with democratic shill Susan Estrich representing suspected terrorists?....

Answer: Nothing.

And some brilliant points from the great one, Thomas Sowell:

While Democrats in Congress always assert they “support our troops,” their political policies and actions have continually undermined our nation’s fight to win the war on terror and defend America. Here is their national security record:

1. On missile defense of America — Democrats voted against it.

2. On the Patriot Act — Democrats voted against it.

3. On tapping foreign terrorists’ phone calls to the U.S. — Democrats voted against it.

4. On tracing terrorists’ money flow between foreign banks — Democrats voted against it.

5. On building a border wall to control illegal immigration and stop dope — dealers, terrorists and criminals — Democrats voted against it.

6. On interrogating captured terrorists — 194 Democrats just voted against it.

7. On telling the world (and our enemy) about a timetable for withdrawing from and deserting Iraq — this is Democrats’ retreat and defeat plan.

And who can blame the terrorists for rooting for the democrats?.. They want to open up American courts to the jihadists:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=162860

I could go on, but let's face it - the terrorists who want to destroy America will have their cause ....well, maybe "enhanced" is too strong a word, but let's say "less hindered" by a democratic controlled US government.

neocon,
How can you claim to love America, but hate Americans? You get so worked up into a lather when you get your head handed to you that you dig your hole deeper. If you loved America, you'd step outside of your comfort zone and read...OKAY, Never mind. Let's just say, you could get the "books on tape" and listen to them. But better than that, get someone to read you the Bill of Rights sometime. Maybe that would be just the wake up call you need. Otherwise, you are a one trick pony who blames the Democrats for eczema, seborrhea and psoriasis, and painful rectal itch. Funny thing is, you've controlled all three branches of government, yet there has not even been a balanced budget proposal from the GOP. There has been no meaningful legislation to punish illegals, no constitutional amendments against abortion, gay marriage, or flag desecration. Although the R's control both houses of congress,The White House, and the Supreme Court, we have seen no tangible evidence of leadership. Oh yeah, that's right. We are in a war over ...what? In other words, you are full of crap!
I'm watching "Hacking Democracy" which is a documentary that Karl Rove and his minions tried to get HBO to put off until AFTER the election. I now know why. Very interesting. You'd love the part where the CEO of Diebold sent W a letter telling him he was committed to delivering Ohio to Bush. That would be fine if Diebold wasn't the largest voting machine used in Ohio. Scary stuff there. Of course, our pious "Christian President" would NEVER let that happen. Maybe his old buddy Ted Haggard will pray for him:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

"Otherwise, you are a one trick pony who blames the Democrats for eczema, seborrhea and psoriasis, and painful rectal itch."

I don't blame Democrats for eczema, seborrhea or psoriasis :)

Dan is back from KY.

"I don't blame Democrats for eczema, seborrhea or psoriasis."

Me neither Dan, but at times they HAVE been known to cause rectal itch.

That of course being your point all along.

Felt the need to clarify for the uninitiated.

'-)

I thought I'd get up this AM and find more senseless rants from the world traveler...at least he is predictable.

MesSNBC and HBO huh? Why am I not surprised? WAIT!!Don't tell me!!!.. Karl Rove and W stole BOTH elections, blew up the wtc, and started the war with Iraq to enrich their friends, right?

"Worked up into a lather when you have your head handed to you"??? lol lol lol You point out that Susan Estrich has "defended" Brit Hume and that is "handing me my head"??? She appears on Fox News, so she is now a dedicated right winger hell bent on destroying the country, right? Sometimes you ARE amusing world traveler. But most of the time, I find you boring because of your parroting and MesSNBC links...

btw, have they filed for chapter 11 yet? I tried watching 'Keith Olberman' last night, but after a few minutes of him, I'm surprised they haven't filed for bankruptcy long ago. What does he have now?... about 1/10 of the audience that fox news has in that time slot? Here's a clue for you world traveler, assuming you have the courage to face it: MOST Americans are sick and tired of watching the likes of 'Countdown' and Imus' where their mainstay is running down the country and blaming America for the world's woes.

One more thing, oh wise traveler. You state that "you've controlled all three branches of government"... Not so. If I controlled all three branches of government, you would find out what it is like to live in a democracy instead of a welfare state where vote buying with other people's property is the norm. (I kinda get the feeling you wouldn't last long in such an environment, world traveler)

Glad you got my point as it was intended Jan.

"If I controlled all three branches of government, you would find out what it is like to live in a democracy instead of a welfare state where vote buying with other people's property is the norm."

Actually Neo - I'd be thrilled with that .. also take away the corporate buying of laws and the perks purchased by the well-to-do. All I ever argue for is fairness.

Democracy (literally "rule by the people", from the Greek δῆμος demos, "people," and κράτος kratos, "rule") is a form of government for a nation state, or for an organization in which all the citizens have a voice in shaping policy.

Democracy, where all who register can vote. That is all the say so we have, JDR. Once elected, politicians do as they please, say what some want to hear, lie, cheat and steal.

Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules. We, the people, are at their mercy.

I just had this really freaky mental picture of some Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde guy sitting in a windowless house in Greensboro debating with his two alternate personalities: DD and Neo.

They say opposites attract.

:)

I'm impressed. We may hit a record before they take this letter down.

Hold on, I dropped my head and it rolled under the counter.....

Back in a sec.

No, I think the real symbiotic relationship is between neocon and Dan. Can't wait to hear them spin the news on Reverend Haggard!!

I'm still stuck on the concept of Neo & DD being two different aspects of the same person.

Wouldn't that upset the atomic structure of all existent carbon based life forms in the universe?

Or at the very least create a black hole into another dimension?

Back up every toilet on the continent?

Enhance table scraps into weapons grade plutonium?

Make Hillary Clinton moderately attractive?

I'm ruined for the day.

Here is the "spin" on Reverend Haggard. BTW I've never even heard of the guy. It's quite simple for most of us but not for bombthrowers:

Let an investigation commence and then conclude. If innocent so be it even though his reputation is still ruined. If guilty then he gets what he deserved. I thought that was the way our system works.

I agree there is more of a symbiotic relationship between me and Neo. I'd rather have a beer with him anyday than DD, whose attitudes and demeanor frightenly remind me of my ex-wife.

First we discuss the possibility of a Neo/DD hybrid, THEN Dan uses the phrase "ex-wife."

Damn people, do you ENJOY giving an old man nightmares?

Dan,

By the way, I both think and sincerely hope that you and the Deacon both "get it" when I hassle you two online.

Fact is that I consider you both intelligent and insightful individuals and - even though Deacon is prone to going over the top at times - thoroughly enjoy your posts.

Upon the event of my first retirement, in 1997, I was approached by an old friend and former Navy pilot who was interested in buying an airplane. As a result of our conversation I ended up being a partial owner of a Beechcraft King Air for the few years it took him to buy out my share.

From that experience I learned an EXTREMELY valuable lesson.

NEVER, under ANY circumstances, jokingly or otherwise, and no matter how well you know the individual, question the flying ability of a former Tomcat jockey when he's piloting a plane in which you are a passenger.

That's gospel truth, undeniable fact, and an essential rule to live by, write it down.

I'll wait ....

On the ride that followed my internal organs were so looped, sideslipped, twisted and inverted as to permanently alter both the apogee and perigee of my anatomical displacement.

On the occasion of my next MRI I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised to have discovered that I'd devloped a uterus in the process.

On the plus side however, I can now not only join my children in riding roller coasters without any qualm or fear but can generally manage to take a nap during the ride itself.

Although the chance of my being a passenger on your plane may be nearly nonexistent, you'll never hear a rude word out of me.

Just in case. ;-)

Reverend Haggard, world traveler?

Yeah, let's get off the democrats and their ties to the terrorists. Lets not talk about how they want to open up the American courts to al Qaeda members where one of their judges will turn them loose with a slap on the wrist after about 10 years of appeals to fufill their dreams of destroying America. No, no, lets talk about a fag called 'Reverend Haggard'. Who is using the fag issue now as a strawman, oh wise traveler, pray tell!!

Jan, with me you won't get a King Air, you will get a piston single engine 4 seater. I try to stay straight and level with usually no more than a 40 degree turn.

Neo, I wouldn't get too fired up about DD. Don't fall for a tactic of bombthrowers: change the subject to something unrelated, make assumptions of guilt without proof, and relish in other's misery.

200 is possible! Press onward posting soldiers!

In other news, The NYT article today about the US pulling an iraqi website that had Nuke making instructions that could have aided Iran in building a bomb, HELLO?...Nuke building instructions that really work? Can anyone say WMD?

"Don't fall for a tactic of bombthrowers: change the subject to something unrelated, make assumptions of guilt without proof, and relish in other's misery."

That is also a debating tactic. :-)

DD also said he watches videos of schoolboard meetings. Who in their right mind would do that for recreation unless they had some ulterior interest in it?

More, world traveler?.... I;ve got plenty:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

neocon has never had so much attention in his life, so I'm glad he is being validated---even if it is the kind most never want to have! His referring to the outing of Gay Republicans as "the fag issue" is typical of his attitude and deserves no further comment.
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Hugh,
When on the treadmill, it is recommended that one work up to a maximum heart rate and keep it there for an extended period. I figure that I can walk fast AND get my blood flowing by watching the taped School board meetings on the public affairs channel. It has worked well so far, and has kept me in the loop on dialogue I missed.
Saw Vern's latest ads, and I must hand it to him, he has toned his rhetoric down to a whimper. Frankly, I think that will earn him some votes he would not have gotten with his cozying up to Bush ads. Of course, I'd still give a gold guinea to have seen Representative Foxx have to endorse him! You KNOW she can't stand the guy, but has to pony up to the bar for the good of her party. LOL!

Now you're going to recycle Vernon Robinson ads world traveler?...Anything but the ties the democrats have to the terrorists, huh?

More words of wisdom from thr great Thomas Sowell:

"According to Michael Scheuer, a 22-year CIA veteran and head of the agency’s bin Laden unit, the 9/11 Commission report confirms that the Clinton administration had at least 10 chances to get the al-Qaida leader, but Sandy Berger, Richard Clarke or Clinton simply could not make the decision to act. The CIA knew where bin Laden was and the military had plans, but they were almost always called off at the last minute.

So when presented with 10 specific opportunities, Clinton’s Democrat administration never took any action that was effective or produced any positive result. From Lyndon Johnson in the 1960s to the policies and actions they push today, Democrats haven’t been just weak and ineffective in defending against America’s enemies.

This year, two other forces are feverishly working to undermine this election and our war on terror. One force is made up of elite national media based mainly on the East Coast. On several occasions they have given our enemy vital defense secrets. They also disgracefully report and relentlessly repeat only bad news. Such dishonest journalism confuses and deliberately misleads the American public. The TV networks have lost 50% of their audience and still refuse to change their one-sided news coverage.

The other force is represented by terrorists who are desperately attacking as many people as possible in Iraq in the weeks leading up to our election. They believe they can intimidate us like they intimidated Spanish voters in the wake of the Madrid bombings and affect our congressional election in a way that will result in our quick withdrawal from Iraq. But quitters never win."

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How true!

neocon's irrelevance is trivial save for his pushing this thread to the 150 point---is this a record?

When the Republicans lose the House, they can thank the following persons:
Tom DeLay--disgraced criminal Republican
Bob Ney--disgraced criminal Republican
Dennis Hastert--incompetent Speaker
Jack Abramoff--Criminal Republican
Rush Limbaugh--GOP operative
"Pastor" Ted Haggard--"outed" GOP hypocrite
Dick Cheney--plain old A-Hole
Mark Foley--Pedophile Republican
and ESPECIALLY...GEORGE W. BUSH--incompetent

And if the GOP retains control, they should thank:

Diebold and other GOP sponsored corporations who manufacture voting equipment.

don't be counting no chickens, DD.

The R's will do better than expected, I seriously predict.

Might I ask for proof that "Democrats" support and condone terrorists. Have seen that stated several times. One lawyer defending a "terrorist" means all Democrats are rooting for terrorists????? Pleeeze.

What was this lte about??? Oh yes, Rush, I forgot. We can make it 200 if we keep straying off the original subject.

Maybe we don't have to thank Diebold if the Rs win, we can thank John Kerry instead. We can also thank Democrats who have absolutely no plan for anything except Bush is evil and taxes are too low.

I've asked this before, where is the Democrat plan? In '94 the Rs had a plan like it or not, the Contract with America. Is there a Dem equivalent this year? If so, please provide the link(s).

It is amusing that you think Diebold purposefully manufactures voting equipment designed to skew votes to Republicans DD.

Hopefully you stated that in jest, if not....well it wouldn't surprise me...leave it at that.

DD,

I see a major flaw with your logic on this and the similar issues.

You seem to think that the actions of certain persons should be used to define the group. You seem to take great glee and joy every time someone of the other side falls from grace.

I don't understand your obsession with the personal failures of others.

If the R's lose big time, it will not be because of the people you mentioned. That is a pile of horse crap.

They will lose because of issues, such as the war in Iraq. Iraq has turned into the quintessential shit-sandwich. I have as little faith in Rummy, or Bush for that matter, being able to effectively lead us out as I do of you ever being objective.

Other issues that will hurt the Repubs- Social Security (they said it was broken but did jack to fix it), illegal immigration (they said it was a problem, but have done jack to curb it) the debt (they increased revenue by x, but also increased spending by x+y), and, to a lesser extent, the medicare drug act and minimum wage response.

Those are the issues that I think people have problems with. When an individual fails and does wrong, most people can look beyond that single person. When policies fail, that causes people to shift and vote for others.

There is plenty of corruption and illegality going on in the ranks of the Democrats as well, bud. Such as your fellow from Lousiana with the FBI cash in his freezer. I know you don't like to talk about those guys, and I can't blame you. They, as individuals, are irrelevant and inconsequential. Their actions are not representative of their party or their colleagues. They merely give the other side a bit of a chance to launch stones from their own glass houses.

Swanks, you seem to make too much sense. I have pointed out that DD is gleeful when someone is involved in a scandal. Yep this guy did wrong, I wonder if DD feels any compassion for his wife and five children? I wonder what pain they must be going through now?

I too am fed up with all politicians in the Fed govt., but the idea of House Speaker Nanci Pelosi churns my stomach.

Correction: DD is gleeful when someone not of his political ideology is involved in a scandal.

Dan, unlike you, I am comfortable in my ability to see, read, and hear differing opinions. Yes, I listen to Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Olbermann, Franken, Maher---because one MUST listen to opposing views to be informed. You are so uncomfortable and insecure in your beliefs that you cannot "stomach" listening to anything that challenges your entrenched beliefs. You parrot Rush, and then claim you are not 100% with Bush because you disagree on 1% of his stances. Weeping Jesus on the cross, you could be a stand up comic!
I am downright exuberant when a "holier than thou" gay basher, or race baiter is found to be deficient in character! And I am ecstatic when some gay basher is found to be gay himself! It should be a lesson to those riding on the "moral high horse" to live and let live.

If George Bush wants to use his religion for the greater good, why doesn't he try to advance the teachings of Christ rather than curry favor with those who seek only power???? While saying he's a Christian has served him well politically, he's still a phoney based on his adherence to the principles of Christianity. He can't form a sentence, but then says John Kerry insulted the troops because he botched a joke! Oh, I know, we set the bar lower for Bush because he is linguistically challenged, but for him to even TRY to malign a REAL war hero is abhorrent. Yes Dan, I am loving the implosion of the religious hypocrites who have tried to preach to those of us out here who are actually living decent lives. And yes, the Democrats screw up too. But for now, the GOP is getting just what it deserves for screwing up our country on their "power kick".
Since this thread is supposed to be about Rush making fun of a Parkinsons patient, I am ecstatic that he is being exposed for his flailing of the arms and dispicable behavior mimicking Michael J. Fox! After all, Rush has said many times he believes in the sanctity of marriage---and he should know! He's been married at least four (4) times! What a crock you have bought into.

Dan,
Once again, I IMPLORE YOU---READ!

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Diebold_CEO_resigns_after_reports_of_1212.html

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-12-14-diebold-odell_x.htm

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1593

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold_Election_Systems

Sorry Dan for all the back up, but since you have become such a partisan "hack" I just wanted to bring you up to speed. Maybe you and neocon can get together for some "cutting and pasting" this weekend! LOL!

Dan SAYS:

"It is amusing to me that you think Diebold purposefully manufactures voting equipment designed to skew votes to Republicans, DD."

Well Dano, have you digested the above links yet? Hope so. Once again, you are an inch deep and mile wide.

DD, it puzzles me why you are so obsessed about what I say, hell you ignored swanks questions and focus on me for three entire posts. I guess I should be flattered.

I read the links, didn't find any conclusive evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt that Diebold people willingly and purposefully manufactured voting machines designed to ensure Republicans win elections. I wonder how the machines could do that, measure the firmness of the voters wrist?

But.....for someone like yourself who proclaims himself erudite you certainly don't read my posts too well, hence the boring hackneyed claims of partisan hack, personal insults, etc. Booooorinng.

swanks, I appreciate your comments. I hope I have never jumped on an individual who has made a mistake (Bush and the war are the exception). I don't think any party is free of scum. It seems that to get to high places, you have to sell your soul to the highest bidder. I wonder how our leaders sleep at night. A good quote from the Bible is "What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world but lose his soul"

Dan, how dare you question a fundamental principle of the democrat party that is to create havoc, question and imply conspiracy in every election loss.

Voter supression, illegal votes, the Diebold "connection", that is their reality.

Supressing the military vote is one of their fundamental principles also, so long as they think it will serve them in an election.

Dan,
If you really read the articles, you would have seen that the Diebold machines can be changed at the touch of a button to totally skew the results.
Although I know you are opposed to watching anything but Hannity, O'Reilly, etc, I would suggest you watch the documentary called, "Hacking Democracy" and you might learn something.
http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/hackingdemocracy/index.html

There. I've made it easier for you to continue learning about the world. Have a great weekend!
And remember...Ted Haggard loves the lord.

DD, I remember Cynthia McKinney claiming voter/slash election machine fraud in her primary loss. I guess it even happens when a D runs against another D.

Get cancer from smoking, blame RJ Reynolds. Lose an election, blame Diebold or stupid voters. Gotta love it. Enjoy the Wake BC game.

Dan,
Guess you ignored the CEO of Diebold claiming he'd "deliver Ohio for Bush". Oh that's right, you don't believe ANYTHING unless Rush tells you to. Well, just so you know, Diebold's "Wally" was fired and the entire incident covered up. Why should you worry? Because if the Dems get power hungry as the Republicans, then it could happen again, and this time you would be REALLY upset.
Voter fraud happens and the electronic touch screens make it even easier to occur. No matter how much of a partisan you are, you should still be very concerned about it---it threatens all of us across party lines. The 2004 election just happened to have been rigged for you, but the public is wiser now and the ones who are desperately trying to "Steal" our votes will stop at nothing. Dan, you need to shake off your protracted sleep and smell the coffee. You are blinded by an ideology that keeps you from seeing the big picture. It is about the most sacred thing we have in the U.S.--our right to vote and for our votes to be counted. Take your partisan "hack" spectacles off. Your Cynthia McKinney comment shows desperation that will not allow you to see the truth. Good try.
Oh, and Dan, you need to read more than the Rush Limbaugh newsletter.

Oh Danny Boy....

How about this:
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2006/has-rush-limbaugh-hammered-the-final-nail-into-the-gop-coffin/

Yep I guess that's what happened to Cynthia McKinney. Just wait till Wednesday, any Dem who loses is going to have a circus of lawyers on the spot claiming fraud and suing. It's standard protocol for Dems when they lose elections.

The name's Dan by the way.

As for Rush, you could say Kerry did the same. I personally don't think either event will decide an election.

Go Boston College

Danny how are you going to explain it when the GOP brings in the lawyers? You have backed yourself into the proverbial corner by attaching yourself to the GOP, which if you have noticed, is NOT Conservative.

Please read today's story of the young illegal from Peru who was snagged by Homeland Security. That is one of the most horrible and scary stories I have read in a while.