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Sheer ignorance expressed, Rick. Still, you are one of God's children and deserve to be loved tho you seek to spread hatred. I sincerely hope you are able to redeem yourself before you have to stand in judgement for your own sins.

Amazing letter. Bless your heart, Rick. Amazing what taking prayer out of schools can do. I guess ignorance IS bliss.

Go get'um chicks! Attack that messenger...

How nice of Mr. Fife to let us know that he, too, has an agenda, and at the beginning of the second paragraph to let us know what value to place on his opinion based on his depth of understanding of the age of the Earth and the term "theory."
Perhps all of us, religious sects included, would be better off if we kept our noses out of other people's bedrooms. Most churches, I suspect, have adulterous members in regular attendance, but adultery doesn't usually reveal itself through speech and physical mannerisms such as those that often attend homosexuality, at least in men.
And that is a matter Mr. Fife might well ponder: Why do gay men of all races, ethnicities, ages, and social statuses have a tendency to display these patterns if their lifestyle is a matter of "choice."
Ms Dunn's comment on school prayer is priceless. Well said!
I wonder of last week's article on coach-lead prayer helped anyone see how terribly coercive such nonsense is. I also wonder if the coaches realize that some number of players, however small, recognizes the manipulation that is going on and learns the lesson that religion as espoused by these monomaniacal, ego-driven buffons is a total joke.
Or like that espoused by Mr. Fife, whose god is apparently a murderous monster who has to restrain himjself from slaughtering his children for acting out in the way they were created.
Will foolishness like Mr. Fife's ever pass from this poor Earth?
Best to all,
CTew

Christopher,

I've known plenty of gay men who do not reveal themselves through speech and physical mannerisms. I've known quite a few who turn the speech and phsyical mannerisms on and off at the drop of a hat. I know quite a few who you would never know by their mannerisms that they are gay.

It is my opinion that, in some cases, men are born with more feminine qualities. Not all of these men turn out gay, however. I do think, however, that often men who are born with more feminine qualities are pigeonholed as gay whether they are or not. Have you ever seen a young kid and said "that kid is gay" simply because he acts more effeminate?

I think in many cases, the speech and physical mannerisms you refer to are a result of a gay socialization. Sometimes it is a means of identifying one's self with a group, sometimes a means of letting others know they are gay without actually having to come out and say it, and sometimes it's just a habit. I've known guys who have deep voices and masculine physical traits who act like southern belles the second they walk in a gay bar.

I will agree, however, that adulterers to not tend to make themselves so easily identifiable and I'll also agree that who we are attracted to is not a choice. As far as the world being 6000 years old, I wasn't here so I'll never know for sure but the scientific evidence is pretty convincing that it isn't.

it helps to know the biblical account of sodom and gomorrah and there are excruciatingly many if not total similarities to today....a couple to mention to demonstrate the depravity of our times and to 'validate' at the same time what nitpick writes- man on man sex is not necessarily exclusive to gay effeminate men, just as in sodom and gomorrah- take the 2 new depraved trends that have been showing up today- 1) black 'macho' married men on 'the down low' and 2) married white men buying strap-on 'devices' so that their wives can help them to understand the 'attraction' of man on man intercourse...satan is on the loose, it is his world-

"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." – Proverbs 16:25

Those who believe they are the Lord of their life (and that there is no other) are the ones who can make anything they choose to do on this earth right for them...

Again with the "trend" angle? Was it a trend in bibilical times? Was it a trend in the days of Da Vinci and Michaelangelo? The suggestion that homosexuality is on the rise or decline is ludicrous. That people may become more comfortable with it might be on the increase, but the suggestion that a naturally occurring phenomenon might be increasing (because of Hollywood I've been told), is absurd. That sounds like evolution, and we all know that doesn't exist.

BTW, 6000 years -- good one. I needed that.

"To say that there is overwhelming evidence that someone is "born gay" is as ludicrous as believing the earth is flat."

or it could be as ludicrous as believing the earth has only been around for 6 thousand years.

"Go get'um chicks! Attack that messenger..."

WAJ, didn't you do the EXACT same thing a couple letters up?

Wasn't this guy the deputy in Mayberry?

Oh, no! That was BARNEY FIFE!

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Rick,
The biggest difference is YOUR idea of religion is one that is punitive, hateful, and mean. That strikes a sharp contrast to one with a "Loving" God and a message of "love". Yours is a religion where having a brain is optional. Until you remove that barrier, you will continue to be upset about ... well, just about everything!

Howie, from Annie's Mailbox in today's N&R:

Dear Annie,

Our beautiful and gifted 19 year old daughter, "Serena", went away to college last year, and when she came home on spring break, she was totally changed. Serena now says she is a lesbian. She never showed any signs of being gay and even had a boyfriend before she left.

We have since found out that several of her classmates and friends from high school are also lesbians. Because the percentage of homosexuals is relatively low, how can this be? Is it a college fad? Peer pressure or gay influence on a naive young woman?

We don't understand how Serena could change so drastically. She dresses like a guy. She won't discuss it with us. We are really worried about her. Please give us some insight.

Dan back here. Just food for thought, I assume some kids at that age experiment with homosexuality even if they are not "born" gay. Obviously others are hardwired hetero or gay. My gay nephew told me alot of his fellow students considered it cool to be gay.

My point Howie, maybe homosexuality is on the rise, not only because it is now more accepted, but some even experiment with it because it is cool. Whether it is a passing thing for some and they change back to hetero I have no idea but I would guess affirmatively.

DD: "Rick, The biggest difference is YOUR idea of religion is one that is punitive, hateful, and mean. That strikes a sharp contrast to one with a "Loving" God and a message of "love"."

Perhaps Rick believes in a loving God that has rules we need to follow. Gee I think religion is steeped with rules!! Everyone has their version of said rules hence we have so many different religions.

Perhaps it is like a parent/child relationship. If the parent thinks a child has done something against the rules then there is punishment, however the parent still unconditionally loves the child nonetheless.

There are still people like Rick who subscribe to that belief and they have the right to do so. But no, because they do have these beliefs they are villified as brainless and even worse by those of a different belief. Statements like that don't seem too loving in the Christain sense to me.

Denizen,

I don't think so, but the way those 2 always mime each other, I might've. But give me a break, I'm old, I have to double check before I leave the house to make sure I got my pants on...

Dan,

Maybe there are confused kids who are trying to find out where they fit in, and may experiment with relationships that cross more boundaries than before. I can realistically imagine that scenario, especially in the "going away to college" stage when you get closer to people than you previously did, and people handle it differently.

However, the letter about poor, dear "Serena" is not terribly relevant. Because these people are in denial about their sweet daughter, it appears they are trying to lay the whole thing on a fad, because they've since found out that her friends have also come out of the closet. Sounds like denial to me, though that's just my opinion. And by the way, the little chestnut about how she "even had a boyfriend" is also not terribly relevant. I know a man who was divorced, with two grown kids, who first discovered in his forties that he might be gay after getting excited by a Clint Eastwood movie. He's been in a monogomous relationship with a man for about 20 years. So I think you'd have trouble convincing him this is a fad. Rather, I'd go back to my contention that the comfort level with more of society (J4J and the LTTE author excepted) has led to an increase in openness about the issue.

as more and more "good" folks like you accept (or rather convince yourselves with intellect that there is nothing depraved about man/man or woman/woman sex) that sexual depravity is a 'naturally occuring phenomena' and that we can all eventually become 'more comfortable' with it, and heck, even try it on for size, that is the very similarity between now and the time of sodom & gomorrah...satan was just as alive then as he is now, that is not a trend...and yes there have been depraved times since sodom&gomorrah when depraved sex was more prevalent than at other times and was a fad or sign of the depraved times that came and went...the question today is obvious- is now just a sign of the times or the sign of the end of times?....with more than 80% of prophesy being fulfilled since 1948 when the prophesy clock started ticking for our generation, i choose to go with G-d's Word as written in His Book rather than with what i think sounds good or sounds right to me, i choose to go with what G-d says is right...but yes there are many many more than i who choose instead to be Lord of their own Life (i did for half of my life) and then god forbid but sadly their wives and children then look to these prideful and weak husbands/fathers for the truth and subsequently lives become destroyed- families with no foundation other than their faith and reliance on their own outstanding intellect, and to of course do good works and say good things that might sound good to g-d, if indeed there is one...

satan is working well in their lives, he is very pleased to be on the side of secular fundamentalism...

you are bright and articulate and you certainly know and use the freedom G-d gave you to intellectually and logically choose the path you believe is the truth, for you and your family...i do exactly the same with my intellect to make what i believe is the correct decision and i have convinced myself, with years and years of bible study that there is such a thing as absolute truth and larger, that there is but one way to the Father...i will readily (and unfortunately) confess also that initially as a jew who thinks like a jew who must get something in return, i also believe it is the best deal in life and that was a part of my 'intellect' that first led me to Christ (my fire insurance)- that if i am wrong then nothing ventured nothing gained and nothing lost, dust to dust ashes to ashes...but eventually i opened the Book, became fascinated, studied, studied, studied, questioned, questioned, questioned, and made an intellectual decision to put my life (and my family's) in His hands instead of my own and to walk in that faith, that His wisdom easily surpasses my own...

like a cig smoker, which i was for over half of my life, who becomes a militant anti-smoker at war with tobacco and those who continue to smoke knowing it will kill them and those around them, destroying not only their life but many others, i have zero tolerance for secular fundamentalism and secular fundamentalists and the false witness they spread to those who are earnestly seeking truth...they equally have zero tolerance for biblical fundamentalists...so we both look forward to the time when we can be certain which path was the true path, because certainly, they both are not...

in the meantime, i say to you keep looking up! He is coming soon!

Shalom and ahavas shalom janherman....

Well there you go. "(M)ore than 80% of prophesy being fulfilled since 1948...". That's a statistic that a godless soul like me can get my mind around. So tell me about this "prophesy clock", when it gets to 100%, does -od show up and start smiting? How does that work?

And if Go- is coming for you and not me, please tell him Howie says "hi, and no hard feelings".

Howie G,

We all get smited now and then. I was smited quiet a few times in boot camp. But when God smites you, it’s like that cat in Christmas Vacation that chews on the electrical cord, he got smited…

"I don't think so...But give me a break, I'm old,"

You poor old soul. Bless your heart.

"So tell me about this "prophesy clock", when it gets to 100%, does -od show up and start smiting?"

Yep. Pretty much. Only way out of it is to look busy. At least that's what I learned from the bumper sticker.

Howie- He already knows how you feel about Him, but if if somehow in all that joy I remember your hard heart, I'll surely let Him know...o wait, same for your wife and kids?...do you speak for them too?

and p.s....there is only one way to get 'your mind around it' and 'how it works' and that is to read it for yourself...this jew did...its still fascinatingly good reading even if you decide its a crock, so it wouldnt be a complete waste of your precious time and maybe even your wife and kids will benefit from your intellectual broadening...

What do my wife and kids have to do with this?

Don't worry about passing along my message, what with all the joy and rapture going on. I can see how that might have you pre-occupied.

As for your book, I had agreed once to take a peek at it, and you spent the rest of the day demonstrating to me what a bad idea that was. I'll have to let that feeling subside before I reconsider. Maybe I'll read the encyclopedia, and let my family benefit from the intellectual broadening that will produce.

Dan,
Go ahead and obey those rules in the old testament like the letter writer obviously cherry picks. And while you are at it, go ahead and give your approval for keeping women down in the Catholic hierarchy.
The post about the parents and their inability to reconcile their daughter's sexual orientation is just what we've grown to expect from you. If they know their daughter so well, don't you think they would have a clue about this?? I think not. It is a veiled attempt to rationalize their own (and yours too) thinking. Good try Dan.

What's up Deacon? You act like a child who can't get any attention so you start behaving as badly as possible even if it means getting negative attention. You would shrivel up and die from this blog if people could actually ignore you. Good thing for you that you get under people's skin enough just so that they can't.

Here's hoping you have a great weekend and come back in a cheerier mood.

o howie howie, your wife and kids have everything to do with this....they are looking to you as the spiritual leader of the family to teach them what is the truth, to have your eyes and ears and heart open for the right path to be on...don't study it for you as much as for them...

if we had a world of fathers who were grounded and founded on G-d's Word, satan would have a real fight on his hands...

hey they dont need you reading the encyclopedia to regurgitate to them, they can just watch Jeopardy for 30 minutes each night and save you all the pain and agony...and besides, do you really find encyclopedia trivia doofuses all that broadened intellectually?

I've told you before, you need never question my abilities as a father.

Open eyes...check
Open ears...check
Open heart...check, check
Grounded...check
Founded in the word of -od?...not so much

But I'll take my tolerance over your vitriol any day. My children are very young, but I do not intend to teach them that hate has an acceptable place in the world. I will not teach my children that a group of people is condemned, least of all by a mystical figure who will some day show up to make sure they've been hateful enough to their fellow man. So once again, I suggest you take a look in the mirror. You once said that your every action is intended to glorify your g-d. In the same conversation, you were vulgar and hateful. Maybe you should spend a little less time worrying about my plight, and a little more time practicing what thou preacheth, or something like that.

And by the way, I kick a-s at Jeopardy, and have never been considered a doofus -- at least that I know of.

Well I see everyone is enjoying the discussion from the letter I wrote. However, the comments about my name is disrespectful and not humorous at all. This was meant for a serious discussion and I respect everyone's opinion even though I disagree with most. It would seem that the underlying misconception is one that is often prevelant in our society and that is the idea of who G-d is. Almost everyone breaks the first of the Ten Commandmants and create a G-d in their mind that is one that does not make them accountable. Yes, he is a loving and merciful G-d, however He is also Holy and Just and cannot tolerate sin. I know that is impossible for those without Christ to understand the things of G-d because they are spiritually dead. These are not my words but G-d's. I would quote scripture but if you are curious then I suggest you open a Bible and find out who your Creator really is.
As far as the age of the earth again I rely on G-d's word which clearly can prove it is 6,000 years old by geneaology and I don't rely on man man theories that you cannot prove. As far as the comment about me being ignorant, I may be in a lot of things but I probably spend more time reading G-d's word and praying to Him than most of those that commented. I know this because if you really had Christ as your Saviour you would understand that you must turn away from sin in order to please Him. But there again, it is impossible for you to know that if you have not accepted Him into your heart.
We all label sin as one being worse than another. However to G-d all sin is not acceptable. But homosexuality seems to have been something that really brought His wrath or else Sodom and Gomorrah would still be here today and in the first chapter of Romans (for those that descredit the Old Testament) He again reiterates how He sees the sin of homsexuality. So before you go off on the deep end and call me names and judge me, spend some time in His word and see if you don't come to the same conclusion that we have all fallen short and need Christ or you will eventually see the "other" side of G-d that you seem to want so much to avoid.

yes howie as you so plainly type it for all to see, you certainly are the moral compass and spiritual leader of your family no doubt!!

fyi, not so sorry that the secular fundamentalists like yourself, and the 'believers' too in these blogs should find me vulgar and hateful, of course some of them are just the same to us 'bible thumpers' ... i dont mind at all in the least, because i very much enjoy picking a fight with the secular fundamentalists and the 'false prophets' who proliferate in these blogs...vulgar and hateful seems to always work! definitely gets their attention! prideful dooshbags! see what i mean? works every time!

but one thing is certain: we both believe in absolute truth: mine is that G-d's Word is the absolute truth, and yours is that there is no absolute truth is the absolute truth (if it is true for me then it is true.). You are as fundamental in your stand as i am in mine. But I definitely agree with you, that 'mystical figure who someday will show up' will reveal whose truth is the truth...he did leave us a good clue though with a book in the hotel nightstand...

so then i now understand why a kick ass game show 'non-doofus' would read the encyclo over the bible, and so i see what is more meaningful to you in your day to day...i have seen biblical categories on the show- i suppose you concede those and then 'pray for' the double jeopary to be in the worldly topics that are nearer and dearer to you...risky strategy! in life too!

o and who is 'check'ing all these 'good' qualities you see in yourself? you only? you always come off as a proud and hard dude, only accountable to yourself, not even to your wife or your kids....is there anyone you are accountable to other than yourself who can give you as glowing marks as you give yourself?....could it be your friend, hmmmmmm....satan!

Mr. Fife, I have a few thoughts/comments/questions regarding the letter that was written/published.

I will not go into the earth being 6,000 years old as I can see that is not up for any reasonable dialogue.

However, thess statements have me troubled, "We have already seen the effects of taking God out of the public schools and the murdering of more than 40 million babies."

In the posting above it is noted, ".....I probably spend more time reading G-d's word and praying to Him than most of those that commented."

Now, with the comments from above, I question just how much is comprehended from the reading of scripture. You see, scripture notes that God is omniscience and omnipotent (all knowing/all seeing/everywhere). So, if that is true from scripture, how could God be removed from public schools? Who escorted God from the public school/s? Is the foolishness of that statement more clear now?

And as for "the murdering of more than 40 million babies.", what about the murdering of between 100,000 and 700,000 Iraqis? Jews? (fill in the blank). What have we seen from any of these that we have learned and not repeated? I do not see anything personally.

So Mr. Fife, I would appreciate a reasonable dialogue on the two comments that I have noted above. Please explain how those statements are true in regards to the rest of the world's situations today.

Shalom

Rick, welcome to the blog, I hope you will stay on in the future.

Be prepared however to be villified by some who do not agree with your beliefs. Many are respectful like Darryl, Denzien and Howie even though they may disagree with you. But you will be called brainless, homophobe, etc. just for expressing yourself. Believe me I've been called worse.

Rick,

I too welcome you to the blog. It's always a pleasure when a letter writer actually comes on and discusses the letter they wrote.

I'm always interested in different perspectives.

Are you a reformed jew as well? I noticed the way you used G-d to refer to the creator.

Rick,
Are you any kin to Barney? If so, you'll understand if some people make too big of a "moulage" about their own piety.
Well, I'm going over and get a bottle of pop and then go over to Thelma Lou's. That's what I'm gonna do.

Rick, I too have read, re-read, and studied the Bible. I have also studied and researched its origin. We have discussed this at length in other blogs.

Do you take every word in the Bible as the literal word of God? If so, what is your opinion on divorce and remarriage? This is covered many times in many books of the Bible. Also do you support the death penalty? If so, how do you justify this with Jesus' teachings?

What is your opinion on women speaking in church? This is also forbidden in the Bible.

Have you read the over 600 books that were not chosen for the Bible?

I am not trying to belittle you, just want to hear your opinions on these subjects. I love playing dueling Bible verses.

Also want to know why you use G-d?

jew4jesus, two days ago under another homosexual/church post, I asked you to define secular fundamentalism. Perhaps you missed that post. I'd like to ask again, what do you mean when you say "secular fundamentalism"? How can we tell if it's evil or not if we don't know what it is? Please don't tell me to read my Bible to learn it; I'm pretty sure the term is never mentioned in any version/translation.

Carol,
When I hear anyone claim the world is only 6,000 years old, I immediately have to dismiss them as being ignorant of science. We have carbon dating among the oldest ways of determining the age of decaying matter. Folks who proffer this idea of a 6,000 year old planet must understand that what they are saying is "faith" not science. It is like making love without birth control--you are dependent upon "faith" not science to avoid pregnancy. Hence my saying that I could never be Baptist, as I would have to leave my brain on the hatrack when I walked into church, and then pick it up on the way out.
While Rick Fife's letter provides some humor when taken at face value, it becomes very sad when taken as a serious letter. To each his own, and again, there is no law against being stupid. Frankly, I think Mr. Fife's letter is more about fear than about theology. He has a multitude of folks like him, who see the world in black and white terms, with no room for gray area. Some people just need absolutes or they feel they are weak and helpless. Some religious leaders provide the needed cover for them to hang onto the anchors of racism, bigotry and misogyny. For some very weak people, the belief that they are superior to another group, provides great comfort. The message of love, as Jesus portrayed is totally lost to the message of hate and exclusion. I really have no desire to associate with people of such narrow minds. They demand too much for what they have to offer.

J4J,

A couple of points before ending my contributions to this sophisticated exchange. First, you are in no position to judge my role within my family. Furthermore, it has nothing remotely to do with this topic, it is none of your business, and I don't know why you insist on bringing it up so frequently.

Second, if you want to be vulgar and hateful, have at it. I only point it out because it is the most glaring of your many hypocritical positions. In fact, keep it up, the more you type, the easier it is to expose the true person inside the "false prophet". I don't have to work as hard as I do with those who actually practice what they preach.

Third, if you insist on restating my opinions, please take the time to get them right. You don't have the slightest idea what I believe, so don't presume that from a few thoughts on a blog that you are in a position to define me.

Likewise, don't presume that because I know a lot of the answers (questions) on Jeopardy that I spend my days reading trivial material for just that purpose. Again, you know nothing about me, so while you appear to be obsessed with how I conduct my life, you're way off the target. I know the answers because I have a peculiar ability to retain great quantities of information -- some useful, much of it useless.

And finally, you can categorize me any way you'd like ("proud and hard" whatever that means), but your opinion of me is easily the least meaningful of any I've ever seen. Rest assured that I spend every day trying to do right by those who depend on me, and by those who have gotten me to where I am. And their judgment of me is between them and me. One more thing, if you met me, you'd probably be surprised by my humility. But I also stand up for what I believe in -- a value I hope to instill in my children.

Why did God give us a rational mind if He didn't want us to think?

It's all written down. What's there to think about?

Right?

Wow. Nice post, Howie. The last paragraph is spot on- I couldn't agree more.

Humanity should not tolerate Rick Fife.

Still waiting for a response from Rick. Since he says adulterers should not be allowed, I really want to know his take on divorce and remarriage, as per the Bible. Also would like to know what church he attends.

In response to those above: Darryl, if you read your response you will see that you answered your own question. There is a lot of evil in the world and man is at the heart of it. However, in our country which was founded on the principles of Judea-Christian beliefs, He has been rejected by our society and He will only tolerate it for so long. He is longsuffering but again He is Holy, something you fail to grasp. When they (people that think like you) removed prayer from school we ended up with the likes of Columbine because it has become the devil's playground.
To DeamonDeacon I will not reply because you are incapable of mature discussion. By the way, I named my dog Barney and he wouldn't take to kindly of you trying to provoke me. As far as your belief in science I will bet anything that you have never studied to disprove the age of the earth and have only taken a man's opinion. If one's life depended on it (and it surely does) one would think you would. To Carol, I am of the Messianic faith, a spiritual Jew and child of Abraham. I am not Jewish, but believe there is still a special place for Isreal in the end times in which we live. If you have studied the origins of the church you will see how through centuries of anti-semitism in the church and the addition of man made theology we are where we are today in the church and in society. Yes, I take a literal approach to scripture but those things you brought up makes it sound like legalsim and I believe in the morality of the law. If we would have kept our Jewish roots there wouldn't be any discussion on those topics. Personally, women have a very important role in the church and quite frankly if they had something to say in the beginning, we may have been spared a lot of the mess we are in today. I respect them immensely, but couldn't sit under their teaching because G-d made man the head and women the heart. Finally, to Anthony, I couldn't agree more! Humanity shouldn't tolerate me because I bring the "light" of Christ to expose the darkness that is in those that are Humanists and and do not know the true G-d but are the children of Lucifer. Thanks to all for the entertaining discussion and I pray for all of you. " yom huledet same'akh Yeshua" (Happy Birthday Jesus!)

Thanks for your response, Rick. Very interesting. Does your church approve of divorce? Need to know about that one.

Have to agree that if women had more voice in a lot of situations, we would be better off. Does your wife agree that you are the head? If our church didn't let women teach, our Sunday School classes would be non-existent. To each his own.

yes howie, you are indeed a good dude, a great dude! i agree the mystical figure should open the door to the mystical Kingdom for you based on your outstanding checklist of yourself and your awesome qualities vouched for you by all those around you...hey howie baby maybe the mystical figure will come this very month and land on your roof and come down your chimney and leave you even more rewards for being such a good dude this year! you earned it dude! keep up the 'good work'!... Merry (X)mas Howie & Family!!!

I need an objective opininon from the group. J4J calls me baby all the time, speculates about my sex life, and seems enthralled by my home life. Do you think he has a crush on me?

Maybe it's my unchecked pride, but all of our exchanges seem to get very personal, very quickly.

"Maybe it's my unchecked pride, but all of our exchanges seem to get very personal, very quickly."

When you don't have anything substantive to say, that's the way it goes, you poo poo head.

As an aside, what's up with you folks typing GOD as -od or G-d or --d or whatever? Is it that Big Daddy will zap you from space or something if you type a proper noun? Must be a respect thing, I guess.

GOD. JEHOVA. GOD. JESUS CHRIST. GOD. YAWEH. GOD. JAH. GOD. FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER. GOD. HAIL ERIS. GOD.

See? nothing happ

*zap!*

Like I said, folks who say the world is 6,000 years old lose all credibility with anyone who has read more than Harlequin love novels. Note that Mr. Fife gave no evidence to back up his fairy tale about the earth's age. That is why it is called "FAITH".

jew4jesus, I asked you both earlier in this thread and in another what you meant by "secular fundamentalism." You have not responded, so I am forced to conclude that you simply didn't see my posts earlier. (All other bloggers, please shut your eyes now.) PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY SECULAR FUNDAMENTALISM, JEW4JESUS! (You may open your eyes now.)

BB,
You are trying to carry on a rational conversation with an irrational person, so forget about J4J as that person is out in la-la land. Scary folks out there who believe everything is black and white with no gray area anywhwere. Heck, old J.C. Burcham is ready to nuke Iraq back to the stone age.

This will be my last comment since the discussion has fallen below my level of maturity and I do not respond to children blogs. DemonDeacon, if you would have read my previous comment, you can determine the age of the earth through the geneaology of Christ. It only takes a Bible and a calculator, both I wonder if you possess. I mean no disrespect to a wonderful educational institution, but I would never call myself a "Demon" anything. Carol, the subject of divorce is something that is so much beligned and misinterpreted. It is not the "act" of divorce but the "sins" that led up to the divorce that need to be addressed. Having been married for 32 years the closest we came to divorce was because of my "sins" that once dealt with before G-d then we have remained together and stronger even after having lost a child that would have driven two people apart. G-d does not like divorce such as when Isreal sinned and broke their covenant with Him. But as individuals we are to address our sins and therefore we hope to be reconciled to each other as we are to Christ when we become redeemed. That is the only way a marriage will stay together and be blessed by G-d. No, I am not the head, Christ is. My role is to be the spiritual leader of my family and bring them to Christ and I am also responsible for being a example of Christ's love to them. As far as writing G-d it is a way of avoiding writing a name of G-d, to avoid the risk of the sin of erasing or defacing the Name. Shalom everyone and may Christ be revealed to you in some miraculous way if you do not know HIm.

More power to you, Rick. I pray that you and yours are happy, healthy, and live as you see fit.

In doing so, I beg that you please allow others the same- that's what makes this the best country on Earth, you know- the freedom to worship as we please, preferably without our ideas being judged by man.

And Rick never answered the question on omniscience and omnipotence.

I feel that Rick left pondering more after blogging than before. If so, that is excellent.

Having more answers than question is so weighty; it is much better to have questions, one's load is not nearly as heavy!

Shalom

Although my letter started this discussion, I will G-d to close it out:

From Romans 1

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Rick, oh special Rick....As to your beloved Paul (Author of Romans), it must have been the case that this Paul was some kind of fundamentalist who quoted from the Bible as though its mythology was literal truth and since his entire argument is based upon the supposed historicity of what he regards as certain key events in Biblical mythology, his entire argument is invalid. It is enough to establish that his argument collapses because the history he relies upon is not historical, and his entire philosophy depends upon these events actually happening in the real world. It is for the reason that Paul's doctrine is actually an unhistorical fantasy based upon nothing real that the resulting philosophy is riddled through with as many holes as a piece of Swiss cheese. It is both irrational and internally inconsistent. You really know how to pick 'em!

As well as it is Leviticus that also pronounces homosexuality as a sin. Just a couple quick questions for you...Did you sacrifice an unblemished female the last time that you realized you sinned (Lev.4:28)? Leviticus tells us you should. Do you wait 7 days after your wife has finished her mentrual peried before touching her (Lev 12)? Actually, do you touch her at all during her mentrual period? Leviticus tells you you shouldn't. Eaten any shellfish lately? That is an unclean animal based on Leviticus 11.

As to murdering 40 million babies, you must be conviently forgetting the many that were murdered by Christians in our history, but i will just stick to the bible to prove you an idiot (not like I need to..) God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! I'm glad you have such a good role model...