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Except for the second paragraph which I think is overstated I agree wholeheartedly.

When Mr. Bush was elected in 2004 a policy that had been a blot on his name and an Bush failure became a blot on America and an American failure. At that moment we took ownership of this fiasco.

The world I think was heartened by the democratic victories in the fall, not because they love democrats but because they see it as a rejection of what they see as an insane foreign policy by the worlds remaining superpower. We were scaring them more than Saddam ever did.

Whatever "W" was thinking---it has turned out to be dead wrong. Come to think of it, "W" really doesn't do much thinking about anything. NEVER MIND!

Ms. Bennet-Wilkes, (gotta love that feminazi handle) perhaps you will get your wish and Miss America and Barney Frank will find enough stones to step up to the plate and have Bush tried and hanged for "war crimes". OBL and the terrorists are in your corner 100%.

Would it make you feel better to see a grainy video of John Conyers, Uncle Ted, and Mother Sheehan dancing around his body and taunting him about his "crimes against humanity"?...Al-Qaeda would love it too. Who knows...we may even be treated to the sight of Dick Cheney's headless body being dragged through the streets of DC while the masses cheer.

Get over it Neocon (which name handle easily explains your anger). The Democrats won!!

I was wondering the other day where all the war for oil moonbats had gone and now I found one.

Rufus, you can't ignore the second paragraph as it is very indicitive of the LTE authors thought process. Notice she says GWB STILL wants unhindered access to Iraqi oil. Not only that, he wants to prostitute the Iraqi people, whatever the hell that means.

"....unconscionable murder of Hussein". That says it all. Member of the moonbat crowd who gives brutal dictators a pass and look the other way.

I a way I can't wait till Bush leaves office so I won't have to read this garbage anymore.

Granted, this war has been screwed up royally, but I honestly don't think GWB woke up one morning and decided to invade Iraq to avenge his dad, steal all their oil, and prostitute the Iraqi people. To the contrary, we have tried for years to help them but they prefer to kill each other instead.

Dan, the moonbat 'war for oil' sect is alive and well. I saw a clip on one of the cable news shows a couple of days ago of this poor, pitiful soul dressed up in a mask of W with devil horns, a tail, a pitchfork in one hand, and a gas nozzle in the other hand...absolutely pitiful.

I may be wrong, but I believe it was at the 'celebration' of the swearing in of our new congress. Pitiful. Makes you wonder which mental institution they escaped from. I actually felt pity for this person...and that's a rare emotion from me when it comes to the moonbat left.

Dan,

I don't think oil was totally out of the calculation but I don't think it was a primary reason for the war. Perhaps W'll tell us some day what this was all about.

"To the contrary, we have tried for years to help them but they prefer to kill each other instead."

I predicted the sectarian violence before the war started & as most folks on this board will tell you I'm not that bright. The way Britain crafted countries in colonial days made them easier to rule (back in the agrarian preindustrial days) by splitting them up each with competing sects & allying with one sect as a ruling class, but post colonial days it has been a disaster. Why none of the seriously bright people in the Bush administration (I'm not being sarcastic) didn't see this coming is a mystery to me. I think it is an example of group think perhaps.

I think that Ms. Bennett-Wilkes is wrong on several points. First, it is clear that Bush 41 was not obsessed with taking out Saddam Hussein. If he had been, it would not have been difficult to invade Iraq at the end of Desert Storm. Bush 41 chose not to do so because he believed that we would have to occupy Iraq for years afterward.

Second, it is a judgment call as to whether Saddam was "murdered for crimes against humanity." That presumes that all executions are murder. I understand the point, but most Americans are not going to lose sleep over the death of Saddam Hussein.

However, I do agree that Bush 43 "blundered into an unwinnable war" and that "[t]his president has become a poster boy for foreign policy failures, war mongering, deceit and clumsy, ill-advised efforts in modern day imperialism."

neocon, the "feminazi" comment was out of line, rude, and totally mean-spirited. I will be Miss Manners' proxy here: you owe Ms. Bennett-Wilkes an apology for that comment.

"I honestly don't think GWB woke up one morning and decided to invade Iraq to avenge his dad, steal all their oil, and prostitute the Iraqi people."

That's surely true - I would suggest GWB hadn't even really thought about Iraq much ... but Rummy, Wolfy, Big Dick, William Kriston, and a bunch of others had been thinking about for along time - although at least a half-decade had passed since they made up their mind, and a lot of things changed during that half-decade.

Sadly for America, they did not dust off their rationale for one more look before jumping at the opportunity.

And all the above is well documented.

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As for " ... we have tried for years to help them but they prefer to kill each other instead."

Dan: If you mean "years since 2005", then OK (but I would suggest it's much more complex than you assume), but if you mean "years since 1985 (or 1995)", then I say "Really?", and ask you to explain.

You won't get an apology from Neo, I predict, BB - he likes hurling words. Sometimes I wonder if he and DD are really the same person (not really, but they do have "button-pusher-syndron" in common) ...

BB, I will apologize to Ms. Wilkes. Out of line. But you have to admit her letter could have been penned by OBL himself.

Dan: "I a way I can't wait till Bush leaves office so I won't have to read this garbage anymore."...Not gonna happen Dan. Look back through the archives and see all the comments from the leftists who announce they "feel sorry for whoever inherits this mess". They are setting the stage to excuse the failures of the Hillary/Huessin, or the Breck Boy/Barney Frank duo, or whoever. Bush will be their crying post for years to come. Every time one of these nut jobs set off a bomb in a subway in England or Spain, they will bleat about Bush creating a worldwide network of terrorism because he used a tank against them instead of a friggin' water pump or building them roads.

Neocon, you have shown your true feelings for women...again. Fill me in on your new word, moonbat. Where did that come from and what might it mean. Since you and Dan use it, it must have come from FOX or Rush.

I don't know if 43 was out to avenge his daddy, but might be a way he was convinced by the neocons that Saddaam had to go.

If James is correct and 43 is just now looking at Iraq without his rose colored glasses, I feel sorry for him. I still can't believe 41 let things get this far out of hand. Did he really not talk to the boy? Did he talk and was ignored? He seems much smarter than his acorn.

Dan, I would also like to hear about all we have done to help the Iraqi people...not the dictators, but the people.

NanP, I love women...all sorts of women, tall, short, wide, narrow, and all grades in between. It's when they side with the terrorists that I part ways with them. Read this lte again and ask yourself if OBL or Al Zarqawi Skyhook could not have written it and answer yourself truthfully.

"Moonbat"... If rush or fox news used it, they copied it from me or Dan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbat

"He seems much smarter than his acorn."...where did you get this term, Randi Rhodes or CNN?

Beadbaby,

Without name-calling, Neocon has nothing to say. I think you probably realize that by now. By asking Neocon to apologize for his comments, you are inadvertently elevating him to the status of a provocateur. He is the blog idiot, nothing more. Don't inflate his ego by making him feel like he is controversial. Controversy and stupidity are not the same.

As to Saddam’s execution, I feel he deserved it. But because I am human, I did feel sorry for him. Seeing fear in the face of any human being facing execution is disturbing to people of conscience. If you thought his execution was just, you have a lot of good reasons on your side. If you enjoyed his execution and celebrate it, you are no better than he was.

An original story:

There was a lake, full and beautiful, but occasionally overreaching its shores. This lake stepped on the toes of some religious nuts - sometimes on purpose, sometimes inadvertently, sometimes with no harm, sometimes with real harm. These religious nuts got tired of the overreaching, which scholars almost universally agreed border on hubris (if not simple arrogance), and so the religious nuts decided to - and did - poison the water.

Those in charge, reacting correctly, decided to let out some water to get rid of the poison. They opened the sluice gate with the full support of the people.

Those in charge then decided to really clean this up once and for all, so without seeking advice, or more accurately ignoring the good advice others who were outside of their friendship circle, opened the sluice gate fully.

At first the people were supportive - not really understanding the situation yet trusting those in charge, because after all, those in charge had initially acted wisely, and they assumed those in charge knew more than the common folk.

Early on a few questioned the expansion of water letting, but they were yelled at by the majority, but as as the water level continued to drop ... and drop ... more decided that maybe this entire water letting thing was getting out of hand.

There were a few times when the water letting seemed to meet its stated goal. The main bad guy was captured, his sons were dead, an alternative trouble maker was killed, and even purple thumbed associates seemed to be ready for the water letting to stop ... but still those in charge keep the sluice gate open... apparently they forgot to plan on closing the gate.

The number of those questioning the water letting grew, but those in charge called them "unpatriotic", saying those with limp wrists could not be trusted with the sluice lever. The name calling became down-right ugly, but still the water level dropped.

Well this went on for quite a while. The purple thumbed associates became confused, and instead of growing ready-to-be-united, they started arguing among themselves - to the point the violence between them became self sustaining - to the point those once supporting those in charge wondered aloud about the continued water letting, and when given a chance, the majority told those in charge that enough was enough - and they threw some of the bums out.

A new group of people were chosen to influence those in charge - not enough new folks to have absolute control, but enough to have a say ... but it was really late in the day ... and a lot of water had been drained from the lake...

The new influencers were faced with a nearly drained lake. Those few still supporting the original lake drainers then started making fun of the new influencers, saying things like "For 5 years you've had the time to plan for peace and love an understanding, not to mentions re-filling the lake. You're in charge, why don't you fill the lake tonight?”

Those few still supporting the original lake drainers said things like "If you can't fill the lake tonight, don't be blaming us; you've had five years to plan!”

Stevie D., you'll note I didn't take him to task for "moonbat," which I guess is also an insult. I know neocon calls people names all the time, as does DemonDeacon. However, "moonbat" seems to be an insult that is at least germane to the topic. "Feminazi" had nothing to do with the letter or anything said on the thread. But neocon was big enough to admit that he was wrong and he apologized.

Thanks, neocon.

"Moonbat is a political epithet coined in 2002 by Perry de Havilland of "The Libertarian Samizdata," a libertarian weblog. It was originally a play on the last name of George Monbiot, a columnist for The Guardian, but now the term enjoys great currency in the libertarian blogosphere as an all-purpose insult for modern liberals, peace protestors, and other ideological opponents. It is similar to the epithets Feminazi or Idiotarian. "

This is too funny.

Got it from Grannie W. "The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree"...Parent would be oak tree, child would be acorn.

Easy to tell when you hit the nail on the head with the OBL/Saddam apologists - you get air headed insults or nonsensical novelettes about lakes. But I understand. Gibberish like this is what the liberals understand. To them Gibberish talk IS action. The UN is a grand example of this and this is the reason it is worshiped by the left-they don't have to DO anything...just talk about it and pass toothless 'resolutions'...that'll show 'em.

Neo,

"To them Gibberish talk IS action. The UN is a grand example of this.."

I wish Hans Blix were still wandering around Iraq trying to find WMDs. I'm glad Saddam is gone but it hasn't been worth the price.

This wasn't Hitler taking over the Sudenland where we were sitting around afraid to act. We had Saddam in a box. No WMDs found proved that.

Besides, Saddam not living up to the UNs "toothless resolutions" is one of the few justifications that proponents of this war haven't had to eat so "conservatives" should be easy on the UN. They gave them the only shed of cover that they have left in this war.

NanP: "Dan, I would also like to hear about all we have done to help the Iraqi people...not the dictators, but the people."

Let me know what you have done Nan and we will compare notes. I have no idea what that statement has to do with my previous post, please fill me in. Let me know what you have done for the N. Koreans as well.

NanP, are you a surrogate of DD? Whenever I post something he tells me Rush musta said it, or Hannity, or O'Reilly. I hope Neo's link to moonbat helps you out.

If you subscribe to the philosophy that GWB is prostituting Iraqis than please admit it. If you think Saddam's hanging was an unconscionable murder that GWB directly ordered than please admit it. If so I can think of some choice words better than moonbat.

BTW, NanP I must admit I've done nothing to help the dictators. Sorry :(

January 6, 2007: NanP asked Dan, what "have [we] done to help the Iraqi people."

I think it's a fair statement to say IF ... after the fall of Bagdhad, all the "reconstruction projects" started by the USA been "allowed" to progress without disruption or destruction - we'd have been able to leave Iraq by now, and it would have in fact been a better place.

But ... IF is a small word in spelling but a big word in meaning.

Dan said ""we have tried for years to help them but they prefer to kill each other instead."

As a followup JDR asked Dan: If you mean "years since 2005", then OK, but if you mean "years since 1985 (or 1995)", then I say "Really?", and ask you to explain.

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Bush I advised Bush II NOT to invade Iraq, said it would mean years of occupation and be counterproductive financially and manpower wise. As is part of Bush II's trademark, he did not listen to papa. Just like a teenage boy who ignores his dad's words of wisdom, George thought he knew better. Unfortunately, this time his daddy can't fix the problem/bail him out like he always did in the past.

Dan,
You see, others have noticed your ignorance of the facts AND your FOXNews talking points. Sorry ol' boy, but your world view is quite narrow.

JDR,
Can't wait to see if little Dan answers the question put forth (in your above post). While most of the country has moved forward (witness 21% approval of Bush) Dan is still stuck on "Saddam, Bad. Bush, good". LOL!;)

I have noticed that most of the labels: lamestream media, bush bashers, lovers of terrorists, unpatriotic, hippies, tree huggers, and now moonbat come from those who support Bush. Does this replace intelligent discussion??? Name calling and labeling turns me off totally...I have a hard time dealing with your comments, even if some of them are intelligent.

Now, Carol, let's be fair. DemonDeacon slso throws out more than his fair share of epithets. I'm hoping, though, that we can cure him of that. It makes all us liberals look bad and fuels Bobby Cole's rants about liberal elitists. Much as I disagree with Bobby on most things, he does have a point here.

Bead, DD launches epithets? Say it isn't so!! Perhaps Carol honestly overlooked it.

Carol, as the first one to use moonbat on this thread...notice I didn't direct the epithet at anyone on the thread, never do even though sometimes I really feel like it.

It's open game IMO to direct epithets at third parties not on the thread, hence I have no problem with comments like Crawford Clown (Darryl) and Smarmy the Clown (Tew), I just don't direct them at folks on the thread.

Therein lies the difference.

Signed,
Little Dan (DD 10:58) Dang you missed that one too Carol.

I said MOST, not all. I have to fuss at DD occasionally, did on another letter today. As his cheerleader, I wish he would do better. I agree with most of his thoughts, just not his occasional name calling and his tendency to not let some things go, ie Vernon Robinson. Now, Dan, are you happy. BTW, I don't like Crawford Clown or Smarmy either. Sounds like playground taunts to me.

Cool.

You guys wanna sing Kumbaya or something now? :D

This letter is just so over the top I can't even bring myself to comment. I will say, however, that people still manage to surprise me in their thought process.

As far as neocon's comment regarding the hyphenated name, I think that was a little over the top too. I never like throwing the term nazi around. However, I will state that I've VERY rarely met a woman who goes by a hyphenated name that wasn't either a man-hater or a real bitch. And I won't issue an apology cause it's the truth of my experiences. Notice I did say rarely cause there is always an exception.

Careful, nit. Your male chauvinism is showing.

Thanks Carol, I slept much better last night after reading your post, I'm happy.

Talk about a tendency to not let things go, my opinions are dismissed almost daily as Rush/O'Reilly/Hannity talking points, gets kinda boring.

Nit, my ex-wife didn't use a hyphenated name but was a real bitch nonetheless. BTW, wach out, don't get Yvonne upset with you or there will be a price to pay ;)

Yvonne,

I don't believe in any way that women are inferior to me. Quite the opposite, actually.

Yvonne,

Check out this link if you get a chance. This chauvinist is a hoot.

http://cat4.stormfront.org/~ilove/c_corner/

Dan,

Nit knows I was just rattling his cage. Believe it or not, I did not use a hyphenated name when I was married. Had I done so it would have contained 17 letters. Then add 6 more for my first name. I'm not that fond of typing or writing!

Nit,

Have read some of the suggested site. I'd say his take has some merit.