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for those like me that missed the story:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4SKPB_enUS205US206&q=John+Holley+iraq

I'm sick of the President and his followers claiming that anyone for pulling out of Iraq is "AGAINST" the troops! What a crock!

The President, who claims to "SUPPORT" the troops, sent them to war without flak jackets, without enough 'Strykers' and with poor planning for doing their job. The result has been what Colin Powell says is a "broken" military. Bush doesn't support the troops, rather he loathes the troops. His support is lip service only, and his been swallowed hook, line, and sinker by the most gullible among us.

"These soldiers' flag-draped caskets were removed by an ordinary ground crew -- which in many cases used a forklift to unload their remains from the airplanes"

Bodies are transported by planes every day in the same manner. Grandmothers, children, mothers, fathers, etc.

It's just the way it is done. I once saw them show a body being loaded on a forklift and thought it was very disrespectful that the news media aired such a thing.

However, it is practical and expedient and it is the way it has been done in this country for years.

You can argue that it may not be appropriate for fallen soldiers but I just wanted to let you know that it is done like that for everybody else as well.

But now Bush is commander in chief...there's the rub.

Too bad Mr. Bush does not display the same backing and affection for our troops as do Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, Jack Murhta, Dick Durbin, the entire Congressional Negro Caucus, and most of the other Demo-Rats who litter the Congress. And I once again see the same crowd feeling the need to comment on every letter. Some of you folks need to find gainful employment.

"But now Bush is commander in chief...there's the rub."

You got any links to back that up, Neo? {;\

Tonymo,
As usual, you can't speak without using Ted Kennedy or Nanci Pelosi---shallow as always. Your line of thought represents such a minority of opinion that you are, as the Governor of Cal-ee-forn-ia called Rush Limbaugh---irrelevant!
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Here is a story that repudiates the Bush Administration's position on photos of the returning dead. Of course Bush has his signing statements to back him up. LOL!

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB152/index.htm

Or from another source:

Associated Press
April 23, 2004
DOVER, Del. - President Bush considers the release of photographs of flag-draped military coffins a reminder of the fallen troops’ sacrifice but believes family privacy should be respected, the White House said Friday.

Defense Department officials said the photos, issued last week and posted on an Internet site, should not have been made public under a policy prohibiting media coverage of human remains. Some activists argue that the photos, which were released last week, underscore the war’s human cost.

“America knows full well that our men and women are serving and serving brilliantly both in Iraq and around the world. ... America is aware this is a war against terrorism,” said Trent Duffy, a spokesman for Bush. But, he said, “the message is [that] the sensitivity and privacy of families of the fallen must be the first priority.”
The photographs were released to Russ Kick, a First Amendment activist who had filed a request under the Freedom of Information Act.

Kick posted dozens of photographs of U.S. war dead arriving at the nation’s largest military mortuary at Dover Air Force Base, prompting the Defense Department to bar further release of the photographs to media outlets Thursday.

Lt. Col. Gary Keck, a spokesman for the Defense Department, said the release of the photographs appeared to be in conflict with policy.

“They’re not happy with the release of the photos,” said Col. Jon Anderson, a spokesman for the Dover base.

Duffy said he did not know whether Bush had personally weighed in on the Defense Department’s move to overturn the base’s decision or whether Bush considered the release of the photos an affront to the families.

Many photos misidentified
The photos were taken at the Dover base, and most were of flag-draped cases used by the military to transport remains. But Anderson said Friday that the photos also included images of the remains of the astronauts who died aboard the space shuttle Columbia arriving at Dover, as well as casualties from Afghanistan.

A spokesman for NASA said at least 18 rows of photos on the site were of the Columbia astronauts.

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According to his Web site, Kick, who has not returned telephone calls or e-mails from The Associated Press, requested all Dover photos from Feb. 1, 2003, to the present. “He wasn’t distinguishing between what he wanted,” Anderson said. “He just wanted everything.”

At a rally in Dover last month, war protesters criticized Bush for continuing the practice of previous administrations of not allowing the public or media to witness the arrival of remains at the base.

“We need to stop hiding the deaths of our young. We need to be open about their deaths,” said Jane Bright of West Hills, Calif., whose son, Evan Ashcraft, 24, was killed in combat in July.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., agreed with the policy banning photos from Dover in an interview Friday on NBC’s “Today” show because “there’s no ceremony held. It’s a caretaking event.”

But Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., who served in the Navy during the Vietnam War, said photos of caskets coming home from Vietnam had a tremendous impact on the way Americans came to view that war.

“As people began to see the reality of it and see the 55,000 people who were killed coming back in body bags, they became more and more upset by the war,” he said. “This is not about privacy. This is about trying to keep the country from facing the reality of war.”

The Defense Department’s move came a day after a military contractor fired a cargo worker because her photograph of flag-draped remains was published on the front page of Sunday editions of The Seattle Times.

© 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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So Tonymo has once again stepped in a pile of his own excrement. Piloidal cyst between your buttocks keep you out of Vietnam?

Another great link for those interested in the propaganda war being waged by the Bush Administration:

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2004/april/not_known_defense_dep_taking_photograps_of_coffins.htm

The truth hurts deeply. We should demand more of our elected officials. Kind of hard to do that when we have such a poor leader.

Bottom line: Do you need photos and video of forklifts picking up bodies to report how many soldiers died?

Do you think people are less aware that soldiers died because they can't see pictures of coffins?

Wouldn't it be better to see a picture of the soldier while living? Would that not honor them more?

Nit,
Can you not see the problem with your post? Do you not realize what you are saying?

The Pentagon and the Administration have banned photos of flag draped coffins arriving at Andrews AFB because it paints a very vivid picture of the true sacrifice in this foreign policy foul up. These men and women should be honored for making the SUPREME SACRIFICE for our country, not banned from public view because some inept administration flunky doesn't want the current policy exposed! The ban originally came from fired Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Along with Paul Wolfowitz, he engineered a story about how they were "honoring the families" by banning photos to be taken and published. Nit, you can count yourself among the gullible on this one, if you really buy into that. In fact, count yourself among the minority who still support this President and his war in Iraq.

Who said anything about forklifts etc? No one has, and you won't find anyone who does except the purveyors of propaganda--Tony Moschetti, Little Pussy, Mick, etc. If you really believe it is better to see a picture of a soldier alive, then you should be in favor of showing flag draped coffins of those who have died. We are not talking videos here, we are talking still photography being released--the pictures ARE being taken, but banned from publication by the Pentagon and the President of the United States.
Bottom line:
You can buy a gun, but you can't publish a photo of flag draped coffins arriving from Iraq. The neocons can stick that up their chicken hawk asses!

What's wrong with this picture?
A cowardly little chap with raisin size nuts whose afraid to travel outside the US unless he is masquerading as a Canadian (and subjecting his children to this spectacle) calling someone "chicken"?
Too Funny.

World traveler, those men are worth more in death than little yellow cunts like you will ever be worth.

The coffins are not shown out of respect for the families...and to keep little yellow Canadian wannabee cunts like yourself from using them as propaganda tools.

Obviously our little "Pussy Cat" has a limited vocabulary AND cannot read above a second grade level.

Little Pussy Meow, You are irrelevant. If you had read the posts above you would have KNOWN where the "out of respect for the families" line came from.

Here kitty, kitty, kitty! Where is our little Pussy? Oh, she's right there. Meow...Meow.

World traveler, I'm still interested in hearing what your children and wife (if you truly have a wife, may be a "partner" for all I know) had to say when you suggested they sew the flags of a wuss country to their backpacks while traveling the world in order to fool those ruffians into thinking you were Canadians and would not hesitate to run at the first sign of trouble.

Did they not even question "why"? I'm truly curious. Most people, including children, would at the very least ask this. Did you explain to them truthfully that their father suffered from 'limp wrist syndrome'...or did you pin the blame on someone else...Bush perhaps?

Again, I'm not holding my breath, but as was noted on another thread...we already know the answer to this...

Don't we?

Poor Little Pussy. Can't seem to find his friends. Here kitty, kitty, kitty. C'mon girl. There's the little pussy.

Poor Little Pussy. Can't seem to find her friends. Here kitty, kitty, kitty. C'mon girl. There's the little pussy.

Hmmm, still no answers...

Meow! Meow!

Still waiting...

I realize these are hard questions world traveler, but I've been asking them for a month now with no response. You have had plenty of time to manufacture all sorts of explanations, but can come with none...not one. I can only conclude that my assessment of your actions are accurate.

If one lacks the spine to travel abroad as an American, how would that someone react to a real crisis? This is what must be running through the children's mind. I know this is what would be running through my children's mind...but then my kids have never been subjected to such a cowardly act.

This genie is loose now, and I have every intention of reminding anyone who will listen of your hypocrisy every time I see you bleat ( that's bleat as in sheep bleating, ironic...no?) about "five deferment Cheney" or the "Draft dodging Limbaugh."

If you have evidence any of the people you call cowards traveling abroad while hiding beneath the banner of a wuss country, please present it now or be prepared to be reminded of your own cowardice from now on.

Oh, listen to the black and white kitty meowing......!! Little Pussy, you are so cute when you meow!

LOL!!

No evidence, I take it?

Evidence like this...

"While visiting London and France, we sewed Canadian flag patches to our backpacks"...

"Fallen troops deserve dignity and respect"

Absolutely! But unfortunately, the neocons sent our brave young men and women into a war of "THEIR" choosing and now they want to control the images seen throughout the country. Could it be they are afraid of the truth? Could it be that "Five Deferment" Cheney, and his puppet, "AWOL in Alabama" Bush are afraid of the 75% of America that is opposed to the war?

Our poor little black and white "PUSSY" doesn't want to debate the question, because he can't defend his position--but he can "meow" about things. LOL!!

Could it be that "Five Deferment" Cheney,and his puppet, "AWOL in Alabama" Bush are afraid of the 75% of America that is opposed to the war?

What does the president and veep have to fear from a coward that cringes beneath the flag of a wuss country while traveling to that ruffian nation, France?

World traveler, you and your ilk show no "dignity and respect" to the people of the American military while they are alive, why do you demand such when they die?

My opinion is that you and your limp-wristed comrades could give a shit less about the "dignity" of the troops...dead or alive. It is simply another pitiful tool to TRY and beat up Bush with.

BTW, I've googled it and still can find no reports of Ol' Five Deferment Cheney crawling under the Canadian flag while traveling abroad.

Evidently even in poor health, he is a better man (smirk) than you.