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What it was really about though was diverting attention away from all the truly evil things Clinton and the rest of the government were doing back then, such as bombing Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan and whatever else they did.

Just another loaf of bread, another three-ring circus.

What it really IS about though IS diverting attention away from all the truly evil things Bush and the rest of the government are doing now, such as bombing Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan and whatever else they ARE DOING.

Just another loaf of bread, another three-ring circus.

You have to hand it to the 28%--the Bush Kool Ade drinkers who have to resort to distortion and tricks, just to take attention away from the ignorance and arrogance of Bush's failed Presidency.

For the record: Clinton lied about getting a hum job, not about war.

Poor ole Russ just did not get the implication of of Steve Kroll-Smith's LTTE!

What I read is that a LIE about sex was what led to the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Yet, the successor to Clinton has lied as much (at best) to the American people if not more (at worst).

Poor ole Russ just cannot see through partisan rhetoric and dislike for Clinton. I have news for Russ; Clinton has not been in office since January 2001; GET OVER IT!

Realize that the current occupant of the People's House has lied contiually to the American people on far too many subjects and those lies have cost unnecessarily the lives of over 3,500 people needlessly.

Now, if lying were viewed by the Divine as one being more severe than another, which would be worse? Get it now Russ?

Shalom

bill's lies were expected and almost endearing.

georgie's seem more heinous because they aren't as smooth.

but just imagine if they told the truth...

would anyone be alive?

No matter what Clinton did, this past week should have proven to all but the most obtuse that George W. Bush is the worst President in American history.

That means worse than Bill Clinton. Much worse than Jimmy Carter. Yes, VERY much worse than Lyndon Johnson too.

Declaring the enemies of his "amnesty for illegals" scam to be unpatriotic was the absolute final straw to too many people.

Nothing Bush can do from here on out will save his reputation in the history books.

Nor will you easily find any of his admitted supporters in the decade or so to come. They will be as scarce as those in Germany who would readily declare that they voted for Hitler in that country's elections.

This should be a sign that the last thing we need in the White House is Hillary. Who wants to spend the next 4 years talking about Bill?

Is Bill Clinton still President? As many ltes that we get about him he must be. I must not be keeping up. I thought we got that dumb guy in a few years ago.

While I agree that we should focus more on the current administration than bashing the former president (as it is supremely unhelpful), I think it is worth pointing out that Bill Clinton left office with a 66% job approval rating.

It's interesting how Bill Clinton lying about sex is such a serious crime that it started impeachment proceedings, but Scooter Libby should get a pass for lying about the Plame investigation (whether of not she was actually covert, Libby still lied during the investigation).

At least in the eyes of some conservatives.

Astro Boy, it's not about what you know, MOST IMPORTANTLY it IS about WHO YOU KNOW and what you KISS on WHO YOU KNOW!

Shalom

Well put, Darryl! I couldn't have said it better.

Has Libby been sentenced? I missed it if he has.

I'm not really getting the point, though.

Libby won't be impeached for obvious reasons. (He's not the Prez).

Nit,

I was trying to make the point that to many on the right, the prosecution of Bill Clinton for perjury was of great importance. Presumably that was, at least partially, due to the way perjury breaks down the judicial process. However, I've read much from the right about how Libby's trial was just a leftist attempt to "get" the Bush administration, and that what he did was really not that bad. Perjury, yes, but not all that bad.

It seems inconsistent to me.

This topic was pretty well beaten to death a week ago based on the original May 30 letter. However, never let it be said that the group here isn’t up to giving a dead horse a few more licks. So I’ll just try my thoughts from a slightly different angle. These are the relevant questions:

First: Did Clinton lie? I think most people will agree that he had sex with that woman, despite their personal definition.

Second: Did Bush Lie? Is there anyone who blogs here who is willing to stand up and say “Bush never lied.” If so, well, I really don’t know what to tell you. I think it’s safe to say most Americans believe Bush has no credibility left. This was amply demonstrated in the last election, before Bush’s popularity started sinking to current levels.

Third: Which is worse, Clinton’s lies or Bush’s lies? If you believe both have lied, then what it really comes down to is individual morals and values. Each person must make his/her own judgment. Personally, I like to look at consequences. Who was hurt, what damage was done, and what difference would there be if the lies hadn’t been told? Clinton? – well certainly he wouldn’t have been impeached. What else would be different? Bush – Well, America would certainly not have stood for the Iraq war. Thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis would not be dead or wounded. We would still have the sympathy of most of the world for 911 instead of worldwide distain for Iraq. You would still see bumper stickers saying “United we stand”, where now the country has been split asunder. I think the May 30 LTE was trying to ask these three questions. What are you answers?

The Civil War had to do with State's rights, not slavery.

Anyone see the similarities? These right-wing asshats are simply using the same twisted logic over Clinton's impeachment.

The Civil War would not have been fought if not for the issue of slavery. Clinton would not have been impeached if he had not boinked Monica Lewinsky. Simple as that.

Stevie D,
Once again,you brought your "A" game to the blog today.
Just waiting for the "Dynamic Dumbass Duo" to post how Clinton getting his goop gobbled caused the current terrorism in Iraq! Dan and his buddy "neocon" seem to post symbiotically, but are so far absent from this thread. Could it be that one or both are getting tired of being in the 28%?

Dan gets his political direction from the Vatican and "Little Kitty" gets his from Guns and Ammo. Can't wait to hear their unenlightened drivel.

TLC, while probably not intended, thanks for the tremendous laugh regarding that last posting. I smiled and laughed heartily over some of those comments. After the week that I have endured, I needed that. Thanks be to AND for you my blogging friend.

Shalom

Stevie D,

You're wrong about the "Civil War." Slavery was an issue in that war, but it wasn't THE issue. It had to do with the fact that the Republican Party, led by Lincoln, wanted to turn federalism on its head and begin a mercantilist system at the federal level, having the feds fund public works projects involving subsidies to big business in exchange for political support, as well as discriminatory tariffs on imports.

Paul,

I don't have time to school ya on the Civil War. But I assure you, the Civil War was not primarily fought over the fact that Lincoln had turned, "federalism on its head and begin a mercantilist system at the federal level, having the feds fund public works projects involving subsidies to big business in exchange for political support".

Wars are waged by the elite and are often fought for reasons the public never really understand. I'll give you that. But, wars are fought by ordinary men.

The soldiers of the North did not die for the reasons you stated. They believed they were fighting to preserve the union. Likewise, soldiers of the south believed they were fighting against a tyrannical Federal government. Were they being duped? Yes. Wars cannot exist without soldiers being duped.

Have you people all been drinking from the same cup of kool-aide? ALL presidents and most politicians LIE, CHEAT and STEAL to get their way into office and to STAY in office. I don't agree with everything "W" has done but he at least had the nuggets to go after some terrorists unlike the liberal peaceniks who stare blandly at the skies as jet planes slam into buildings.
I consider myself neither Replublican or Democrate, I am an Imperialist and as I've stated several times, this country needs another Revolution to forcably oust the incompetent leaders from the local and federal palaces they've built for THEMSELVES - not US! None of these politicians care a rats butt about us, the average person.
So stop quibbling over what "W" has done and what "Billary" has/might do and lets join forces and take care of ourselves! We must protect ourselves from those who would do us harm. We must do what must be done! Long live the new United Imperial State of America!!!
UISA UISA UISA!!!

Amazing how low the left will stoop to defend a rapist/murderer simply because his last name is followed by a (D).

"I don't agree with everything "W" has done but he at least had the nuggets to go after some terrorists unlike the liberal peaceniks who stare blandly at the skies as jet planes slam into buildings"...

Amen. Their 'war on terror' consists mainly of 'reaching out' and trying to understand why the rag heads hate us so. Just look at the irrelevant Jimmie Carter and his sucking up to two bit dictators. Pitiful.

Clone & Kitty,
Yeah, Bush really went after those terrorists---in Iraq? Oh yeah, he had to manufacture them, THEN go after them. Would have saved a lot of lives, time and money if he'd just gone after the ones that existed on September 12th. His "nuggets" are more like raisins--or did I miss something..are the Bush twins in Iraq?

That 28%....what a gene pool!

Oops! I forgot about how he said he "looked into Vladimir's eyes" and saw such a fine man. What a friggin joke!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19024968/

We have a President who has done his best to tear down all the good will his father worked so hard to build. Fredo in the Godfather...that's what we have as President.

Well lookie hear TLC looks like your star attraction believes in a higher power of course she's probably lying. There's no way a card carrying liberal would believe in God is there my Canadian friend.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/06/04/what-does-clinton-pray-for/

By the way I rather belong to the 28% than belong to the under 10% of non-believers like you do.

"His "nuggets" are more like raisins"...
ROTFLMAO

This from a limp wristed coward who sewed Canadian flag patches on his packs to avoid the "ire" of the Frenchies.

She's telling the truth, overtaxed. I don't know a woman who hasn't prayed to lose a few pounds.

"There's no way a card carrying liberal would believe in God...."

Sorry to disappoint you but I am a card carrying liberal and I not only believe in God, I pray at least several times a day. My personal relationship with God depends on daily connection and conversation.

Stevie D claims:

"But I assure you, the Civil War was not primarily fought over the fact that Lincoln had turned, 'federalism on its head and begin a mercantilist system at the federal level, having the feds fund public works projects involving subsidies to big business in exchange for political support.'"

What evidence do you have against that?

"Wars are waged by the elite and are often fought for reasons the public never really understand. I'll give you that. But, wars are fought by ordinary men."

Agreed.

"The soldiers of the North did not die for the reasons you stated."

I didn't say they died for those reasons. They died because they were invaders and ran into bullets.
What I said is that the war was fought over the agenda of the Republican Party.

"They believed they were fighting to preserve the union."

They were.

"Likewise, soldiers of the south believed they were fighting against a tyrannical Federal government."

They were.

"Were they being duped? Yes."

To some degree, I would imagine.

'nuggets' , 'raisons', 'inflatable airbags', whatever your gender wants to call them, it doesn't matter. The point is, people, put down the kool aide and realize these politicians don't care at all about US, the average U.S. Born citizen. They want to dictate to us how to live our lives, allow foreigners to come here and take the jobs that the fat and lazy blacks and whites won't do, yet spend millions of American dollars trying to build schools, fight wars etc in Foreign counties. We have our own neighborhoods and poor schools that need fixing up. You won't see no 'Democants' or "republicrats' doing anything about that, do ya? IF we as American citizens want genuine change, we're gonna have to FIGHT for it.

There's a Revolution calling YOU!

We must do what must be done to protect ourselves from those who would do US harm.
Long live the new United Imperial State of America!

Steve D:

Interesting statement:

"Wars are waged by the elite and are often fought for reasons the public never really understand."

"Wars cannot exist without soldiers being duped."

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Paul:

"They died because they were invaders and ran into bullets."

True - I learned a big reason for that was because the rifled bullet was invented shortly before the Civl war, and the tactics had not yet caught up with it, i.e., with the musket, accuracy was "spotty" at best so soldiers had to get real colse before firing to even have a chance at hitting something - but the rifling made long term accuracy - so the casualty counts were exceptionally high.

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Luuke:

I thought it was GWB who was caught on ape "star[ing] blandly at the skies as jet planes slam into buildings."

"But because it seemed to [President George W. Bush] that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers, we were given three times the period required to execute the operations - all praise is due to Allah."

Osama bin Ladin

http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403

"There's no way a card carrying liberal would believe in God...."

Yvonne,
This is yet another example of truth that the 28% just can't get--they don't have a monopoloy on religion. When in D.C. I bought a bumper sticker for a friend that reads, "GOP Does NOT spell GOD". So true, so true.
One thing the liberals have on the right is that liberals READ. Here's a litty ditty that made me think of you:

One morning the husband returns after several hours of fishing and
decides to take a nap. Although not familiar with the lake, the wife
decides to take the boat out. She motors out a short distance, anchors,
and reads her book. Along comes a Game Warden in his boat. He pulls up
alongside the woman and says, "Good morning, Ma'am. What are you doing?"

"Reading a book," she replies, (thinking, "Isn't that obvious?")
"You're in a Restricted Fishing Area," he informs her.
"I'm sorry, officer, but I'm not fishing. I'm reading."
"Yes, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at
any moment. I'll have to take you in and write you up."
"If you do that, I'll have to charge you with sexual assault," says the
woman.

"But I haven't even touched you," says the game warden.

"That's true, but you have all the
equipment. For all I know you could start at any moment."
"Have a nice day ma'am," and he left.

MORAL: Never argue with a woman who reads. It's likely she can also
think!

Have a great day, Yvonne!

np,

"Has Libby been sentenced? I missed it if he has."

The answer is now yes!

I also disagree with the idea that a liberal an believe in God. Albeit their idea of God and what he/she/it favors is probably different than yours but that doesn't mean they can't believe just as adamently as you do.

Nobody I've met agrees 100% on religion. That means we're all going to hell or God is big enough to love us for our differences.

Those who don't believe in God at all? Well, they're just idiots. Just kidding. :)

I also disagree with the idea that a liberal can't believe in God. Albeit their idea of God and what he/she/it favors is probably different than yours but that doesn't mean they can't believe just as adamently as you do.

Nobody I've met agrees 100% on religion. That means we're all going to hell or God is big enough to love us for our differences.

Those who don't believe in God at all? Well, they're just idiots. Just kidding. :)

(This might post twice but I had to fix that first sentence)

To remind those who would even proffer that liberals don't pray or believe in God....Jesus was the consumate liberal.

Too bad the institutionalized version of Christianity has little to do with the teachings of Jesus.

Check out the beattitudes and then tell me where Jesus is a "Conservative".
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Note to Dan: You'll have to do a little reading here, but it won't kill you.

This was in today's NewsWeek online edition talking about Gingrich deep sixing Bush:

"As an ongoing political enterprise—a machine with genuine admirers, loyal supporters and a legacy to build on—the Bush presidency is perilously close to flatlining. At this point in their tenures, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton had job-approval ratings in the mid-50 percent range; in the most recent NEWSWEEK Poll, Bush's hit an all-time low of 28. Established GOP figures in Blue States shun him, even when he comes to raise money in closed-press events. The invites aren't piling up from Red States, either. Since Bush never cultivated real allies in Congress, no one there feels guilty that he has none now. With his vice president not running, there is no '08 contender trapped in the role of shameless Bush promoter. Even the longtime paid cheerleaders are putting down their megaphones. Dan Bartlett, the senior spinmaster who joined the team years ago fresh out of college in Austin, announced last week that he was leaving."

Well, at least Bush has Dan and neo out there with the megaphone! :)

TLC,

Thanks for the laugh. And you are 100% right about Jesus being a liberal. He didn't hang with the rich and promote self absorption and self indulgence. He went into the streets, ministered to the poor, the infirmed, the idol worshipers, the criminals, the prostitutes and fed the poor. He and his disciples were a radical band of rebels. He did not support the status quo when it was wrong.

TLC & Yvonne; you speak my mind!

Shalom