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I can understand your empathy towards helping people Paul, and I can also understand the reasons why people flock across our border in droves.

One question. Given that a huge chunk of the world's population lives in political chaos and/or are in desperate need to feed and clothe their families, does that mean we let all who want to come here in? Is there a limit?

BTW, the term "undocumented people" is a new one. Usually term "undocumented workers" is often used, but your term is more accurate as some of them do not work.

"Let us try a little kindness, friends, and follow the Scriptures, which tell us to open our hearts to the stranger and those less fortunate. We will all be the better for it."

Ok, I'll give an illegal immigrant a hug, pack'em a lunch box and then send him/her right back across the border until their paperwork is finished, processed and approved...

"Their cruel situation has been made worse by U.S. government subsidies to agribusiness under NAFTA, which have made it impossible for these small farmers to compete and survive."

Yep, American small farmers got a raw deal.

Where is Dan's proof that "undocumented" workers do not work? Any proof to back up that claim or just prejudice?

1992 - In Mexico, 3.2 million people cultivated corn on 8 million hectares. About 92% of the corn farmers had less than 5 hectares, amounting in total to two-thirds of corn acreage. Production costs were $230 to $300 per hectare.

In North America, production costs were $95 per hectare. One reason? The drinking water is acknowledged by each county water agency in the agricultural areas of California to be highly toxic due to decades of pesticide application.

Another reason - heavily-subsidized US corn and other agri-business products - including in 2002 a farm-subsidy package of $190 billion. As much asd 40 percent of farm income is represented by Federal subsidies.

Yep - you and I pay for these Mexicans to come up here.

Modern, well-capitalized agricultural businesses in Mexico have been able to compete, but the 15 million or so small farmers who live off the land are wallowing in misery.

Cultivating very marginal land and without the protection of tariffs, small Oaxacano farmers grew traditional heirloom varieties that fed themselves and their pueblos. They could not compete in price with the genetically modified, imported North American grown corn. The whole economy of many pueblos collapsed.

... so they come here ...

www.campsilos.org
www.public.iastate.edu
www.ontariocorn.org
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Agriculture/BG1542.cfm

Between 1996 and 2002, an average of $16 billion/year was paid by The U.S. Agricultural Department.

In the 1930s, about 25% of the U.S. population resided on the nation's 6,000,000 small farms. By 1997, 157,000 large farms accounted for 72% of farm sales, with only 2% of the U.S. population residing on farms.

Archer Daniels Midland CEO Andreas cut the $25,000 check used by Richard Nixon's "plumbers" to finance the famous hotel break-in. fwiw - in 1968, Andreas illegally donated $100,000 to Minnesota Sen. Hubert Humphrey -- Nixon's Democratic opponent in the 1968 election.

Andreas is widely credited with convincing President Nixon to initiate and provide financing for an historic $700 million sale of U.S. grain to the Soviet Union in 1972 -- a deal for which Archer Daniels Midland played the profitable role of middleman.

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In the mid-1970s, ADM developed a concentrated liquid sweetener out of corn -- high-fructose corn syrup. The problem was that even with corn trading at rock-bottom prices, ADM could not make high-fructose corn syrup cheaply enough to compete with sugar. To overcome this obstacle, ADM financed lobbying efforts by Florida sugarcane growers to convince Congress to impose a quota on foreign-produced sugar, which had been flooding the U.S. market and keeping prices down.

Soon after free-trade "champion" President Reagan (another significant beneficiary of ADM largesse) gained office in 1981, he enacted a strict quota on foreign sugar. The price of sugar skyrocketed -- and suddenly ADM syrup became the cheaper option. Soft-drink makers now scrambled to switch. High-fructose corn syrup has since come to dominate the U.S. sweetener market. The controversial sugar quota, meanwhile, remains in place.

http://grist.org/news/maindish/2006/12/06/ADM/

Live in Alamance county for a while...you'll find droves of undocumented..AHEM..I mean ILLEGAL immigrants that don't work.

This issue is where I break away from my fellow liberals. I say send everyone in this country illegally back to where they came from!

That's not a racist thing or anything as such, it's a common sense thing. Why should we pay for ESL when our teachers already don't get the compensation they deserve?

The solution is simple:
1)Get rid of all ESL classes
2)make it illegal to teach in any language but English in the schools
3)make it illegal to speak anything but English in the workplace

Enact these provisions and the illegal problem will simply weed its way out.

"Where is Dan's proof that "undocumented" workers do not work? Any proof to back up that claim or just prejudice?"

Try reading:

"but your term is more accurate as some of them do not work."

See the word SOME? Any proof that 100% of them work? Of course not. Some of them may be at home parents (that's work I know, but not paid work with an employer). Some of them may have elder parents who don't work. Some are in school. And some may just not want to work, hell plenty of Americans do that as well. So of course SOME of them don't work, it's common sense, so try reading the statement correctly and quit playing the prejudice card.

James,
Once again, you add light to the darkness and even have back up for your posts. Thanks!

For those who "believe" that many of the "undocumented" do not work, they might want to go to the corner of Eugene and Lee early one morning to see where the contractors pick up laborers. Or they might want to visit areas around Lake Brandt and Hwy 150. Any way you cut it, these people want to work so they can send money home to their families. If we were actually able to shut down our borders, the Mexican government would collapse almost instantaneously. The hard currency being sent back to Mexico is now an ingrained part of the system. Is it right? I'm not arguing that. But it is time for some "PRAGMATISM" when it comes to immigration. Haven't seen any yet.

One more time:

man·y constituting or forming a large number; numerous: many people.

some an unspecified number, amount, etc., as distinguished from the rest or in addition.

If anyone can prove that 100% of illegals work, I'd like to see it. Yes, MANY of them work, even the MAJORITY of them work, but SOME do not work.

I have several friends who work at the health department. One of them made home visits to new mothers to make sure the mom and baby had what they needed. The majority of them were hispanic mothers. Almost none of them worked before pregnancy and had no intentions of working after the baby. My friend, who worked before her children were born and went back to work after each one was three months old, had wanted desperately to stay home and be a mom. She said she heard the same answer when she asked hispanic mothers about working; "I want to stay home with my baby." She quit at the health department (before they fired her) because she snapped one day and shot back at one of those mothers "Yes, I wanted to stay home with my babies also but I had to work because the government wouldn't pay me to stay at home."

But I can tell all of you, in my neck of the woods, it's not only the hispanic mothers who don't work. Most of the young men who present at the hospital don't work either.

TLC, I would bet my total June income that those laborers picked up on the "corner of Eugene and Lee" and "Lake Brandt and Hwy 150" by contractors are paid a CASH day wage. And if I am correct on that (which I believe I am), then there are absolutely ZERO TAXES paid on those wages! I remember when winos were picked up at a location in High Point for a cheap bottle of wine for working for a half-day or day. Those days are gone now.

Either way, these/those practices are illegal, no matter which way it is spun.

I believe JDR has stated the case fairly well with supportative evidence.

Yet again, Yvonne has presented a personal factual case. The system is totally broken and DEMANDS refitting. If something drastic is not undertaken, the system is going to collapse.

Brian Harper, I appreciate your comments. I have strong feelings in agreement with the context of those comments.

I appreciate what this LTTE writer has to say regarding helping the stranger and less fortunate. However, I believe we have those right in our very midst without even looking for a potential undocumented person! Consider that when thinking about whom to aide. Also remember the scriptures talk about when spreading the Good News; "into Judea, Samaria, and all the world." Notice how it begins with ones "local" area, then region and then to the larger community. I believe that we have forgotten that in the 21st Century.

Shalom

It is time to close the human baby factories at work in the low
income areas. Population control is something we must do to reduce
the amount of unwed mothers and unwanted children causing more strain
on the limited Social Services dept. Therefore, it will be mandatory
for all unwed females of child bearing age to undergo conception
prevention treatment. Only authorized coupling of selected male-
female unions will be allowed to bear children. It is time we limit
procreation in order to reduce the strain on the country's fiscal and
environmental resources.
It is time we instituted a Nationwide Identity Card program to keep
our people safe and to keep the illegals under careful control. If
you are lost – you will be found; if you are sick – you will be
treated; if you are abducted by a terrorist – you will be rescued.
True citizens of the UISA will be protected by all means necessary.
We need to bring jobs back to our country and stop spending our money
in foreign countries! If it's not made here, it should not be sold
here. We have more than enough talented and skilled workers who can
design and build everything we buy from foreign countries. TVs, cars,
electronics, clothing and the list goes on can be made right here in
the UISA!
It is time to remind all of our `visiting Guests' that when you go to
another country, it is your responsibility to fit in and learn the
language of the land, not the other way around. In the UISA, the
language is American English, not Spanglish, Frenglish, nor Ebonics
or Ewokese but American English! If you can't read our signs, our
news publications etc then you need to learn how. If those who are
visiting us as Guests want to read things in their native languages
then they need to go back there. It's not that difficult to
understand!
We MUST protect ourselves from those who would cause us harm! It is
time to do what must be done!

My I suggest that you read this bill. Like I told Richard Burr, you people are giving this country to Mexico.There is little tighting of the boarder, the bill says they MAY be fined $50. I can not understand why unions are not on the war path. The illegals where put on Affirmed Action,
congress has changed this to say Americans must consider for jobs. They will get all kinds of help in school, and will have lawyers paid for by us. How many of you have free health care? All these people do. I lived in a area, where there was zero crime, not anymore.Want to guess who moved in a few miles away? I also suggest if congress passes this **** that the illeagals be allowed to run for congress. Lets see if these jerks want give up there jobs.

"I can not understand why unions are not on the war path."

Aren't you one that has been saying unions have ruined America?

"How many of you have free health care?"

We all do, if you're willing to sit in the emergency room for 10 hours.

Sorry James but no, we do not all have free health care even if we sat in the ED for 24 hours. Americans are easy to track because they usually use their own names and real addresses. Hospitals are businesses and are starting to be managed as such. This means they will turn your account over to a collection agency if you don't pay. If you still don't pay, this is put on your credit record and will ruin that record for years, thus making you ineligible for any credit anywhere.

Most illegals are transient, much like the gypsies of old. They use any name they choose and we can't demand they use a real name or real address. I can't even guess how many use false addresses (like business addresses) and false names because it is such a common practice.

They go to ED's within a fifty mile radius and complete a circle, much like drug addicts. That way they are not showing up that frequently at any one ED. When they have completed the circle, they show up at the first one and use a different name. As I've already stated, usually the only citizens that do this is those seeking drugs.

All I need is a fack ID, Yvonne.

fack = fake

.... or use a real ID and let my credit go to hell.

So the Middle Class get's screwed again.

Yes, James, a fake ID would be necessary for you since you are not hispanic. Although the registration clerks are suppose to see proof of identification for anyone seeking treatment, they only require it from the black or white people. I know this from personal experience and the clerks tell me they can't question hispanics about anything because the are allowed to use aliases.

Or yes, I guess you could receive free care and let it ruin your credit. Then the next time you tried to get free care, they would find all kinds of reasons to postpone any treatment. So, yes, the middle class is screwed again, without a please or thank you, I might add.

Once again you are wrong Rockerfeller, I rarely post, I have to much fun reading your posts. Like prostution is legal in Las Vegas. Want to Bet some serious money on that? Nixion took us off the gold Standard! More of Rockerfeller in correct facts. I have never said unions ruined America, more Rockerfeller made up facts. I mostly post about illegals, see Rock I spent much of my life 1998-2000 in Las Vegas,and Henderson NV. So I know what the illegals are doing to this country, and I know prostution is not legal in Vegas.I going to be out of town for a few days, make up some more facts next week. I need the laughs.