News-Record.com

... except that's not what was said, as far as I know. Any provers out there?

Dick,

You forgot to mention the profound joy that every Democrat feels in their hearts when an American serviceman is killed or maimed.

"Whatever his administration proposes must be savagely attacked."

Some truth to that for a couple of reasons.

Bush has been wrong about most everything concerning Iraq & has caused an incredible amount of damage to our nation because Iraq.

Bush used Iraq as a weapon to punish Democrats in 2004 (when it was somewhat popular & thought of as being part of the war on terror) accusing anyone who didn't go in lockstep with the program as non-patriotic. Little wonder that Democrats are giving some payback now that the wheels have fallen off. That goes back to the lack of leadership that the man has shown. He has made no effort to unify the country & only acts as if he is President of people that agree with him.

"I believe ... that this war is lost, and this surge is not accomplishing anything, as is shown by the extreme violence in Iraq this week," Senate majority leader Harry Reid

Good letter, Mr. Douglas. Spot on.
The defeatocrats are heavily invested in losing in Iraq. A victory for the U.S. in Iraq = defeat at home for dirty harry and the wide eyed queen.
Although they enjoy the support of convicted felons, illegal aliens, two bit dictators, and jihadists the world over, most of these folks can't vote...yet. So they need a defeat in Iraq that they can turn into campaign ads to humiliate the republicans and give them an upper hand in '08.
This is why they offer comfort and aid to the enemy like dirty harry's quote of surrender above. They think it will improve their chances at the polls next year if they can convince enough of their supporters (those who can vote) that Iraq is lost and any good news you manage to dig up from unbiased sources...well, that's just Bush's propaganda machine in action.

The left thrives and feeds on defeat, doom & gloom. It is not their nature to be optimistic about ANYTHING...much less a victory for America while there is a republican in the WH.

JDR,

In an interview with the Washington Post, Democratic Whip James Clyburn was asked what his party would do if Gen. David Petraeus reports in September that the surge strategy is working very, very well.

"Well, that would be a real big problem for us, no question about that," said Clyburn.

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"Recently, reports indicate that we are winning, that victory is in sight, even if far down the road."

Mr. Douglas, you have got to quit watching FoxNews and listening to Rush Limbaugh....they are "entertainers" and not purveyors of "NEWS".

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Mr. Douglas, another Republican by the name of Herbert Hoover offered up his view of things just before The Great Depression set in. He claimed, "Prosperity is just around the corner"! Guess that's what you mean about all that progress being made in Iraq?

Note:
There are very few "true comedians" around anymore, and our neocon is one of them. He has no idea how laughable his posts are, but trudges along believing he is the only one who is in step and that 75% of America is out of step. Although he has been "laughed off" most threads, I for one, want to encourage him to post as voraciously as he once did. Why? Because we need to see the kind of lightweight thinking that got us into Iraq in the first place to keep us ever vigilant. We must not allow fear to take us into a war of choice again. We must not allow ignorance and arrogance to cloud our vision for humanity and we must never again, allow a President to drag the good name of the United States into the trash heap of history because of his ignorance and his arrogance.
God bless our little neocon, and God bless the United States of America.

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You are taking it out of Context, ORR ...

" ... impede his party's efforts to press for a timetable to end the war."

BIG difference. Am I missing something?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/30/AR2007073001380_pf.html

btw - I'm not arguing FOR a timetable .. but let's at least use real data.

One other thing .. Let's see how Basra fares with "rival armed militia groups, some linked to Iran, battling for control."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295576,00.html

WAIT .. I thought we were fighting Terrorist THERE so we would not have to fight them HERE. You mean this is about Oil POWER ?? Jeeze whoi would have guessed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295141,00.html

We we know the Brits would cut and run - hell they're just Democrats with bad teeth and an accent.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295473,00.html?sPage=fnc.world/iraq

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We Report, You Decide.

"If we win this war, victory will be a grave problem for our party."

So sayeth Dick Douglas, the thing is though, I cannot find that quotation attributed to anybody.

We are aware that the N&R's lousy letters policy allows writers to make up there own facts. A gentleman of Mr Douglas's distinguished reputation should have higher standards though. Who was this "prominent Democrat" Mr. Douglas? A real person or a convenient fabrication?

Member, I was wondering the same thing about a "prominent Democrat." I would have thought it wise to name someone who is attributed such a quote. ORR gave the name of James Clyburn. JDR gave a link to a story in which a SIMILAR quote is made, however, not the exact quote.x

TLC, I like your comments about "winning" and "victory is just in sight!" Well spoken! Anyone that believes this, contact me. I have some Atlantic beach front property for sale in Arizona, REAL CHEAP!

Shalom

I would argue not a similar quote .. and a clever and deliberate misrepresentation straight out of a book called "The Art of Political War", (wtitten by Horowitz). Here's some examples:

Folks'll believe anything
Willie Horton
Scare-tactics, Shocking TV ads and Personal attacks
"Would you be more or less likely to vote for Governor Richards if you knew her staff is dominated by lesbians?"
Reverse the Truth
Swift Boat
"The Gore team receives a tape of Bush prepping for a debate. Rove accuses the opposition of secretly taping that preparation. Later, an employee of a Bush advisor admitted to giving the Gore team the tape."
George W. Bush's 1972 cocaine possession arrest
Shift the Blame
Max Cleland = Osama
The Office of Strategic Initiatives
The Strategy of Disinformation

On a related note, Mr. Bush announced today that some troops might be sent home if conditions on the ground permit.

This comes after months of military commanders saying that current troop levels are unsustainable & must be reduced this fall.

Sounds like putting lipstick on a pig to me.

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Rufus,
The bullsh_t flows like water from the fount of Bush. What just amazes me, are the folks who bite on that taking hook, line and sinker with them!

How many days have gone by since Bush declared "Mission Accomplished"? When called on it, the President said he was referring to "military operations" and as time has marched on, he has kept his pie hole shut about it. I can remember neo spouting off about how the "lie-bruhls" had taken that "Mission Accomplished" out of the context in which it was meant! What a friggin' joke....!

Let's revisit that fateful day that Bush declared "Mission Accomoplished":

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/01/mission-accomplished-07/

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/28/mission.accomplished/

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1030-06.htm

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml

Boy Howdy! Bush is doing a "Heckuva job"! Guess the number of FoxNews groupies, and the "dittoheads" are shrinking each day---no need to help Bush, as he's already declared the mission accomplished!

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JDR,

The Washington Post story said:

"House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Monday that a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party's efforts to press for a timetable to end the war."

"Many Democrats have anticipated that, at best, Petraeus and U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker would present a mixed analysis of the success of the current troop surge strategy, given continued violence in Baghdad. But of late there have been signs that the commander of U.S. forces might be preparing something more generally positive. Clyburn said that would be "a real big problem for us."

Clyburn's comments came as House and Senate Democrats try to figure out their next steps in the legislative battle. Clyburn said he could foresee a circumstance in which House Democrats approve a measure without a timetable for withdrawing U.S. forces, which has been the consistent goal of the party throughout the months-long debate. But he said he could just as easily see Democrats continue to include a timetable."

I think that it is safe to consider that the context of Mr. Clyburn's comments was that a positive report by General Petreas would cause a problem for Democrats in trying to press for a timetable to end the war. That would seem to be their objective without regard to whether we can "win" the war or not. Withdrawal and ending the war is the objective. Mr. Douglass' statement was not exact, but the essence of the quote was much the same. End the war without regard to victory is the Democrats' objective.

ORR, are you now a DNC insider?

Shalom

"the context of Mr. Clyburn's comments was that a positive report by General Petreas would cause a problem for Democrats"...

"a problem for the democrats"...

NOT a problem for America...but "a problem for the democrats"...
NOT a problem for our military...but "a problem for the democrats"...
NOT a problem for republicans...but "a problem for the democrats"...
NOT a problem for the Iraqi government, but "a problem for the democrats"...
NOT a problem for those who want to see America prevail in Iraq...but "a problem for the democrats" and the jihadists who have vowed to defeat us.

Good news out of Iraq = devastation for the democrats.

Neo,

Please read JDRs & ORRs posts. It puts the context to the statement. I'm sure no one would take this out of context on purpose.

ORR,

Please describe the victory that would be worth a trillion dollars, thousands of dead Americans, 10s of thousands of maimed Americans, & perhaps hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

Perhaps the 1800 Iraqis that died last consider a positive report a fairly narrow and subjective artifact.

I think that it is safe to consider the context of Mr. Clyburn's comments ... as relevant to those trying to press for a timetable to end the war. That's it. Nothing more. Here's a couple examples:

"Rep. Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), once an ardent supporter of the war in Iraq, said yesterday that the Bush administration should set a time frame for withdrawing U.S. troops

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/24/AR2006082401631.html

"Of the 59 Democrats in hotly contested House and Senate races, a majority agree with the Bush administration that it would be unwise to set a specific schedule for troop withdrawal."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/26/AR2006082600811.html

Senate will consider Republican proposal calling for Iraqi forces to take lead next year in securing nation and for Bush administration to lay out its strategy for ending war ... seen as sign of increasing unease among Congressional Republicans over war in Iraq ...

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0A13FA3B5A0C768DDDA80994DD404482

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My issue is painting this as an "Us vs. Them" issue rather than offering useful discussion about the complex deal it really is. See Meow's post for proof of that statement ...

This crap kinda pisses me off .. here we are in a tough battle with few option and assholes still play detrimental games.

Thank you ORR for being fair - but the above is how I feel.
God bless America. Fuck the others.

RTFirefly said:
"You forgot to mention the profound joy that every Democrat feels in their hearts when an American serviceman is killed or maimed."

Sorry, Mr. Firefly, but you don't off that easily. I don't know a single Democrat who celebrates the injury or death of any man or woman in the military, whether they serve in Iraq, Afghanistan, or here at home. How absolutely ridiculous to state something so completely false. If you wish to incite an emotional response, I suppose you can count yourself successful, regardless of any factual truth. So much for an intelligent, thoughtful discussion of a crucial topic.

The truth remains that it is the Democrats who have mourned the loss of life and limb of both our own servicemen (lest we forget, it's Bush and his Republican cronies that tried to prevent coverage of all the flag-draped coffins as they returned to the US) as well as the innocent civilians, numbering in the tens of thousands, in Iraq and Afghanistan - the very same people that Republicans brush off as expendable in the "war on terror" while labeling anyone who raises the topic as being unpatriotic or supportive of the enemy. It's the Republicans in this country that rejoice with every report of Iraqi deaths, using each event as justification for continuing this unjustified, reprehensible war.

You are welcome to your opinion - something that you seem profoundly unwilling to grant to those with whom you disagree - but you are not welcome to fabricate fact out of thin air to suit your own version of reality.

Quick correction:

Sorry RTFirefly - I had two columns juxtaposed (silly multitasking) and attributed to you a quote out of its intended context.

My apologies for that.

Perhaps a lesson here for all...?

The sentiment of my comments remains the same, despite mistakingly attributing the quote.

Rufus, I did read ORR's post.
Bottom line: Good news from Iraq = bad news for the democrats at home.
And might I add, this concept isn't limited to Iraq.
Good economic news?... bad news for the democrats.
Record low unemployment?...bad news for the democrats.
Record number of minority home ownership?...bad news for the democrats.

No need to go on, you get my drift.

YankeeFan,

Just to make sure, my statement about the "profound joy that Democrats feel..."

was sarcasm. Similar statements have been bandied around this forum & of course has no basis in fact, but is similar to the letter writers basic mode of attack.

And to elevate the discussion a bit more....

Go Yanks!

yea, we get your drift, Meow.

Good economic news / Record low unemployment / all overshadowed by a little sex in the Whiteouse, huh?

... not that I'm giving Clinton credit for any of that, but since you equate all news with whomever is currently in the Whitehouse .. we'll play your stupid game. Just don't do any 3-phase wiring design because you clearly don't understand phase/time relationships.

I left out "Record number of minority home ownership" because I'm unsure if you're talking pre-sub-prime meltdown:

"About 30 percent of home purchase loans made to blacks from 1999 to 2004 and 20 percent of home loans made to Hispanics were subprime, compared with 10.4 percent of loans to Asian-Americans, only slightly higher than for white borrowers."

You go James!

Shalom

cRock-o-...feller, and what does your post have to do with this fact: Good news for America = bad news for the democrats?

sweet pea, your slip is showing.

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James,
Once again you put the little Kitty back on his haunches. He retorts as if he has made a point. You can't make stuff up as funny as the nut we call Kitty Kat! He's a comedian who has no idea how laughable he is.
Keep up the good work. It's obvious he doesn't understand what's going on!

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Rufus,
Kitty Kat's response to all the logic you, JDR and others have written is hilarious, only he is not laughing.

It goes back to the old GOP gameplan of question the patriotism of anyone who criticizes Bush's war. So now the little kitty says all the Dems are unpatriotic because they don't support Bush. The guy is a dinosaur--a holdover from a time long ago. He does add mirth and levity, but has no idea he's doing so. :)

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10:30 already? Time for the government employees to show up.

What does my post have to do with "Good news for America = bad news for the democrats?"

Well for it's not a "FACT" .. it is about the most stupid thing you've ever posted .. and that really is saying something.

Do you REALLY believe that those who support politically .. I dunna .. let's take Hillary for a bold example:

Do you REALLY believe those folks secretly want to "convert" America to some other country .. pick an alternative .. You seem to liken everything to Venezuella? Let's see:

Infant mortality: 19 deaths per 1,000 births
17% Child malnutrition (stunting or wasting in children under age five)
32% lack adequate sanitation
3% of sewage is treated
17% lack access to potable water
Unemployment is 8.4%
37% live below the poverty line

Yea .. everyone that disagrees with you really WANTS to go live in those conditions.

You ARE a Bozo.

"Do you REALLY believe those folks secretly want to "convert" America to some other country"...

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that cRock-o-...feller...and you know it.
How about staying on subject for once and don't veer off into left field as is your normal modus operandi when you have no rebuttal... except for the usual drool that makes sweet pea and THE LIBERAL CANADIAN swoon to the point of ecstasy.

I'm saying good news out of Iraq and the democrats will have to do yet another 180 and start touting the fact that they voted for the Iraq war and knew it was going to work out all along.
I think they would much prefer to see Iraq (and by extension, Bush) go down in flames so they can say 'I told you so' and be damned what is good for the country as long as it makes their stars rise.

Dennis Prager 'speaks my mind' :

One of the two major political parties of the United States has linked all
its electoral hopes on domestic pathologies, economic downturns and foreign
failure.

It is actually difficult to name any positive development for America that
would benefit the Democratic Party's chances in a national election.

Name almost any subject, and this unhealthy pattern can be discerned.

If African Americans come to believe that America is a land of opportunity
in which racism has been largely conquered, it would be catastrophic for the
Democrats. The day that most black Americans see America in positive terms
will be the day Democrats lose any hope of winning a national election.
Whatever one believes about the extent of racism in America, one cannot deny
that the Democrats need black Americans to feel victimized by racism.
Contented black Americans spell disaster for the Democratic Party.

If women marry, it is bad for the Democratic Party. Single women are an
essential component of any Democratic victory. Unmarried women voted for
Kerry by a 25-point margin (62 percent to 37 percent), while married women
voted for President Bush by an 11-point margin (55 percent to 44 percent).
According to a pro-Democrat website, The Emerging Democratic Majority, "the
25-point margin Kerry posted among unmarried women represented one of the
high water marks for the Senator among all demographic groups."

After women marry, they are more likely to abandon leftist views and to vote
Republican. And if they then have children, they will vote Republican in
even more lopsided numbers. The bottom line is that when Americans marry, it
is bad for the Democratic Party; when they marry and make families, it is
disastrous for the party.

If immigrants assimilate, it is not good for Democrats. The Democratic Party
has invested in Latino separatism. The more that Hispanic immigrants come to
feel fully American, the less likely they are to vote Democrat. The liberal
notion of multiculturalism helps Democrats, while adoption of the American
ideal of epluribus unum (out of many, one) helps Republicans. That is one
reason Democrats support bilingual education -- it hurts Hispanic children,
but it keeps them from full assimilation -- and oppose making English
America's official language.

Concerning the economy, the same rule applies. The better Americans feel
they are doing, the worse it is for Democrats. By almost every economic
measure (the current housing crisis excepted), Americans are doing well. The
unemployment rate has been at historically low levels and inflation has been
held in check, something that rarely accompanies low unemployment rates.
Nevertheless, Democrats regularly appeal to class resentment, knowing that
sowing seeds of economic resentment increases their chances of being
elected.

The most obvious area in which this rule currently applies is the war in
Iraq. The Democrats have put themselves in the position of needing failure
in Iraq in order to win the next election. And again, perceptions matter
more than reality. Even if America is doing better in the war, what matters
most for the Democrats are Americans' perceptions of the war. The worse the
stories from Iraq, the better for Democrats.

That helps to explain why the mainstream media, who ache for a Democratic
victory, feature stories of wounded American soldiers, grieving families of
killed soldiers and atrocity stories -- such as the apparently fictitious
story printed in the New Republic. But they almost never feature stories
about military heroism and altruism. Americans read and watch far more
stories about soldiers who commit atrocities than about soldiers who commit
heroic actions and who show love to Iraqi civilians.

The list is almost endless. Thus, when pro-American foreign leaders -- such
as Nicolas Sarkozy in France -- are elected, even that is not good for the
Democrats. The more the Democrats can show that America is hated, the more
the Democrats can argue that we need them in order to be loved abroad.

Undoubtedly, some Democrats might respond that the same thesis could be
written if a Democrat were in the White House and the Republicans were out
of power. But that is not at all the case. First, there is no equivalent
list of bad things happening to America that benefits Republicans. Second,
everything written here about the Democrats -- except about the Iraq War,
which was not taking place then -- could have been written when Democrat
Bill Clinton was president.

I am not saying that in their hearts all Democrats want black America to
regard America as a racist society, or want Hispanics to remain
unassimilated, or Americans to feel economically discontented, or fewer
families to be formed, or America to lose in Iraq, or foreign nations to
hate us.

But what most Democrats want in their hearts is not the issue. The issue is
that if Democrats want to win, they can do so only if bad things happen to
America.
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Cue here for THE LIBERAL CANADIAN to google 'Dennis Prager' and see what the Koz, Mother Jones, or Keith Olbermann has to say about the messenger, because they cannot refute the message.

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James,
Calling neo a "Bozo" is far too kind to such an lunatic fringe dolt.

His latest "cut and paste" comes from where???

You guessed it!

An OPINION piece from a far right "nutcake"!
Never a N-E-W-S source or a "think tank" but ALWAYS an OPINION from a like-minded shill of the GOP. These two must have been separated at birth.

Let's start the show off with some expose' on neo's latest "find"! (LOL!)

This one will start you off with some of the ridiculous things neo's hero has said and done:

http://www.callingallwingnuts.com/category/dennis-prager/

Here is so much proof that you will die laughing at it! Enjoy!

http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=842

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/dennis-prager-is-a-dope_b_51065.html

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/12/01/dennis-prager-please-go-away/

http://www.forward.com/articles/koch-calls-for-pundits-ouster-from-shoah-council/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/jews-israel/

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/07/21/islamophobe_dennis_prager_brags_about_being_tolerant.php

http://mediamatters.org/items/200612060001

http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2006/12/03/dennis-pragers-bogus-history/

And this is only scratching the surface! Yep, if you want to see an idiot, make that a "nationally broadcast" idiot who thinks as rarely and as off base as neo, then it has to be this Dennis Prager fellow. He's "off da chain" folks!

Gotta hand it to our little Kitty Kat...he can entertain like nobody's business! Laugh on! :)

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OMG – a thoughtful post from Neo .. even though written by another.

My issue is this .. sure the Dem’s “argue back” against whatever the “R’s” claim as the good news they exclusively created .. the opposite us true too .. and THIS IS ALL A GAME PLAYED BY BOTH PARTIES .. in it for themselves only .. and YOU, Ms. Neocon, have been suckered into taking sides instead of recognizing they are both P L A Y A A A S .. as they say in rapville.

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James,
Kitty is an escapee from the "nuthouse"!

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If you don't believe ol' neocrank still has a "hook" in his mouth, then watch this:

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=9f5e7250-9f8a-4344-a85b-f19f1f264d85&p=Source_Countdown&t=m5

Bush revealed for what he is...a bad liar.

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Hmm, I wish Olbermann had not held back in that piece TLC. He speaks a great deal of what I feel.

Shalom

Gee, THE LIBERAL CANADIAN links a dozen or so left wing kooks' websites to kill the messenger. Sooooooooo predictable.
"Thinkprogress"..."Huffingtonpost"...
"Crooksandliars" LOL LOL LOL

Five frantically posted 'rebuttals' within a couple of hours (three from THE LIBERAL CANADIAN in rapid fire succession. lol)...and yet, nary a one that can counter the fact that good news for America = bad news for the democrats.

And once again cRock-o-...feller you are wrong. I have been suckered by neither party. I simply choose the lesser of the two evils, for when it comes to the democrats defending the country they are about as inept as...well just look at little Jimmy Carter and how he man handled the ayatollah, or look at slick willie and how getting a knob shine took priority over killing obl.

No need to go on, you get my drift.

sweet pea, as usual, bringing up the rear echoing his support. You forgot "James, you speak my mind"

...but then again, we already knew that.

"or look at slick willie and how getting a knob shine took priority over killing obl."

Beats taking a trillion dollar personal vendetta out on the national dime taking priority over killing obl". I think most of us would have personally paid for GWB getting a "knob shine" if it would have taken his mind off of his personal demons.

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Rufus,
I'm with you on that! Wonder if we can still pass the hat and get Bush blown so he'll resign under pressure from the "family values" party?

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TLC, other than Laura, do you think there is a woman who would do that, honestly?

And at this point in time, it is far too late. Look at the wasted monies and lives?

And if anyone cares to talk about not going after Osama, that one need not look any further than the current leadership!

Shalom

"TLC, other than Laura, do you think there is a woman who would do that, honestly?"

Larry Craig's available!

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Rufus,
You are right about Larry Craig!! He's evidently sticking around now....another great "family values Republican". Wonder if he's still "not gay"! LOL!

I see Kay Hagan is thinking about running against "P-liddy" Dole. Personally, I wish she'd run against Coble, but Dole is ripe for taking out too.

As for Bush, his legacy will be like Herbert Hoover, Ulysess Grant, or Andrew Johnson--complete failure.

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Rufus,
Did you catch this article on the bio being written about Bush? Seems he's just as stupid as we all thought.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20593445/

Unbelieveable. And to think people STILL defend this guy. Oh that's right, we're just siding with the terrorists...we're hoping for failure. Yeah, that's the ticket. What a crock.

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" ... Jimmy Carter and how he man handled the ayatollah"

Let's see if I understand: The people rise up against a monarchy that at least some feel is totalitarian regime - arguable not unlike Saddam (all'be'de-shah perhaps "kinder and gentler" depending ones perspective0 - and they establish their very own Democracy .. you know like we're doing in Iraq. What's not to like !!

" .. or look at slick Willie and how getting a knob shine took priority over killing obl."

So now we know what Clinton was doing. What's George's excuse? Are you saying Laura has in the same way distracted the President? She must be a TRAITOR .. maybe even a closet Liberal .. undermining this country.

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As if Larry Craig was not enough, now we have Guilford County's "Values" Republican being arrested!! What is wrong with these people????

http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070905/NRSTAFF/70905023

They are just persecuting Arnold because the judge hates us for our freedom.

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James,

When you try to talk sense to neocon, you are arguing with a M-O-R-O-N! The guy is in la la land. Sad part is, around 20% to 24% are now with neo. (Down from 26%)

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Seven more posts of gibberish and non rebuttals to the fact that good news for the country = bad news for the democrats.

I was referring to the way little Jimmy Carter got our hostages released by waiting for Reagan to get sworn in.
What a plan! Just lay low until the next president with balls is elected, then put your plan into action...Genius. I'm beginning to see why the left worships him so...

Make that eight.

Jimmy waited?

Oh those that helicopter crash was ONLY a way for the Dem's to have more bad news ... Got it!... that freaking incompetant military ...

http://www.specwarnet.net/miscinfo/eagleclaw.htm

... and here I thought you were a GIrene ...

As for "rebuttals to the fact that good news for the country = bad news for the democrats" .. I guess we'll have to start to define "Good" ... maybe we should do "rebuttals" too.

"I simply choose the lesser of the two evils"

... yea, makes you proud, huh ..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295760,00.html

Wow, 52 posts thus far and Mr.Douglas' point has withstood the onslaught of liberal claptrap.

No one able to effectively refute his point that good news for America = bad news for the democrats. All I'm hearing is non responses like "Guilford County's "Values" Republican being arrested!!"...or 'Laura must be a traitor..or a liberal'...Or references to 'Larry Craig'...or links to limp-wristed websites like 'Thinkprogress' and 'Crooksand liars'

sweet pea that tidbit about Laura being the only one who would possibly give W a bj is priceless...I hope that was a tongue in your cheek. :]

btw cRock-o-...feller, I've never claimed to be a 'GIrene'.
You liberals do yourselves no favor by trying to use the military jargon...It only serves to further expose your ignorance on such matters...ignorance that 'Bill Moyers' can't cure.

Yeah you're right, little Jimmy Carter did send a couple of helicopters into the desert. Showed that mean old ayatollah who was boss, huh? Probably more Iranians died from laughter cramps than Americans died in the copter crash. That showed them, huh?
But it was phase two of his plan that finally got the hostages freed. Phase two being to wait on someone else to take over that the ragheads couldn't intimidate...brilliant strategy.

Dodged the point? ... don't think so.

The original LTE had a made-up quote, taken out of context. That's a fact as far as I can tell .. you've certainly provided nothing to proof its not made-up "let's divide America" BS.

As for effectively refuting his point that "Bush's war, never necessary, not winnable and to be terminated at once", I posed several links showing there is a growing pile of "R's" that agree - to call that conclusion exclusively a "D" thing is simply stupid.

As for effectively refuting his YOUR off thread point that "good news for America = bad news for the Democrats" .. your contention that 230 + 51 (or what ever the actual count) in congress are working for a defeat in Iraq to make inroads in elections is made-up hate .. you've certainly provided no proof its not BS.

I have on several occasions - and using resources far more informed than you and I - to show the opposite: some - not all - have advanced (and sustained) the war in Iraq to make inroads in elections.

Thoughtful and intelligent folks often reach different conclusions about the best way to deal with challenging situations in Iraq. That's a fact. No one this side of Jesus can claim certainty ... and that includes highly opinionated men like you and I. That too is a fact.

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So if you're not a gyrene - in what branch of the military did you honorable serve?

I caught the last part of this on National Geographic TV. You wanna see where the kind of devotion exposed by the LTE writer, Neocon and others can lead to .. watch this .. scary stuff:

http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/channel/blog/2007/02/explorer_korea.html

"But what was so remarkable was that immediately after regaining their sight [from cataract surgery], rather than thanking the doctor, [spontaniously] people started crying and bowing and giving thanks in front of pictures of the Dear Leader Kim Jong Il and his father, Kim Il Sung as hundreds clapped and cheered in unison."

" You wanna see where the kind of devotion exposed by the LTE writer, Neocon and others can lead to .."

Surely you jest. You are espousing pure bullshit. To compare anyone who disagrees with your liberal dogma to the N Koreans who either worship the pot bellied Kim Jong Il or face life in the labor camps.
Par for the course. Just shows how far you will go to twist and distort a given subject because you have no rebuttal of 'Good news for America' sucks for the democrats.

This is a fact my little friend: In order for the democrats win, bad things have to happen to America...lose in Iraq, the economy takes a downturn, anything good that comes our way is bad news for the democrats. They have built an entire political party based on doom and gloom. They depend on such things as racial strife and class envy to remain in power. This is a fact. One I'm sure you and your little buddies in here don't want to (can't) face, but a fact nonetheless.
About 90% of the links you offer as 'proof' on any given day espouse how 'bad' things are in America. Can't see a pattern...or DON'T WANT to see the pattern?
My guess is a little of both.

where did everyobe go?

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neo,
No one wants to be around an idiot like you! Why don't you just go away! You post nothing short of lunatic opinion epics. It is only YOUR opinion that you ever post and we all know your opinion--and it sucks.

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Gee willikers, THE LIBERAL CANADIAN, now I'm getting all misty here and it's hard to type.
I only tune in to see who wins the 'stupid quote of the day' award.
You wouldn't deprive an old man of that would you?

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As YankeeFan said to neocon on another thread:

"I think your incessant argument for some rebuttal to your childish notion (fed, no doubt by Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, and Rupert Murdoch) that success in Iraq is a disaster for the Democrats is just a smoke screen for the more vital questions."

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That really stung, THE LIBERAL CANADIAN...you're such a beast...

Copy and paste from Yankeefan? LOL LOL LOL

This was written a few days ago - thought I'd put "it in record":

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1 -- I do not want the Republicans to win, and I do not want the Democrats to win. I want America to win. You clearly see things exclusively Black White, good bad, Blue Red. I see shades of gray and more than two colors.

2 -- Spin anyway you want, but 80% of the links I post expose BS. You can call that "how 'bad' things are in America" ... I call exposing BS.

Here's my proof:

Check my September 3, 2007 9:51 AM post: "You are taking it out of Context, ORR ..."

Check my three September 3, 2007 10:06 AM links: "[Are we] fighting Terrorist THERE so we [won’t] have to fight them HERE, or is it POWER".

How about my September 3, 2007 9:37 PM links – discussing the bi-partisan drift towards trying to press Bush administration towards withdrawing U.S. troops.

I’ll let cha have the September 5, 2007 7:47 PM link about Eagleclaw … ‘though it does refute your claim that "Jimmy waited", and you’ve yet to respond to "Building Democracy".

I’ll also give you the Larry Craig link (take him, please!).

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So that’s SEVEN Pure anti-BS links .. and btw - you’ve yet to claim the honor of being a Marine or an Airman; maybe all that’s BS too.

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NEO'S PABLUM, OUTED AGAIN!

James, it seems the closest thing neo has been to a "man in uniform" is being a greeter at Wal-mart, a night watchman, or doorman at the Marriott!

He has claimed to have fought in 'Nam, but never says as "what" or in what branch of the service. My guess would be that he got drafted after dropping out of high school and is drawing some sort of disability check for mental incapacity. And if he is receiving disability for that, I certainly wouldn't argue with their decision! He's certifiable even under the strictest interpretation.

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"you've yet to claim the honor of being a Marine or an Airman; maybe all that's BS too."

I can understand how you and THE LIBERAL CANADIAN would like to believe that. Go ahead and think what you want, trying to impress you and her is way, way, WAY down on my 'to do' list. You seem incapable of accepting the fact that some people simply do not give a rat's ass what you think, cRock-o-...feller. You have the air of one who has been pampered and told all his life how great he is. A real shame.

Actually, I was sent a draft notice, but before I was to report, I signed up for an extra year in order to qualify for a better MOS... That's Military Occupation Specialty for all you flower children and the spawn of flower children...(you might want to write that down, THE LIBERAL CANADIAN for future references as not to appear so ignorant) I was in the army 1970-73.
I'm not braggadocio about my service and there are very few people whom I know, even coworkers, have any idea I served in the military at all.
Unlike you and THE LIBERAL CANADIAN I feel no need to tout accomplishments and shout..."Hey! look at me! See how great I am" while they insult and belittle those with whom they disagree. There is no surer sign of an insecure and small person. My hostilities toward anyone here is reaction. I insult no one unless I'm first insulted.

Those who know me personally understand this and I have earned their respect through actions and not by bragging about how great I am for seeing 'shades of gray' and asking strangers on the Internet "You're not an engineer are you?" when they comment about global warming and how fulloshit they think algore is when he suggests that a half degree rise in global temperatures will end life as we know it.

Oh, and THE LIBERAL COWARD, I'm not mrp who couldn't take your petty insults. You truly are just like a little spoiled puppy nipping at the heels of a grown man begging for attention because you are down to one cheerleader in here and even her support is usually limited to "TLC you speak my mind"...pathetic.

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You've done it again...veered off subject. I've noticed after 60 some comments there are still no serious rebuttals to Mr. Douglas' assertion that bad news from Iraq sucks for the defeatocrats.

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neo,
Thanks for another humorous post, which does explain some of your inability to see things as they are. I salute your service to our country.

With that said, I think you have a very unhealthy view of what Democracy is truly about. You seem to operate under an authoritarian idea of how the world should be rather than how a Democracy works. Sad for you, your family, and most likely your co-workers. Seems you cannot operate without strict guidelines from someone in authority, and that is reflected in your constant posts about things that have already been covered. James totally disproved your contention, but because of your intransigence, you have yet to realize it, much less acknowledge it. Seriously, I feel sorry for you. You think you are an upright and unswerving Patriot, but you are a very myopic person whose world view is so narrow as to cause your friends, family, and again, most likely, your co-workers, pain.
Hope you find some help somewhere, from someone. But first, you will have to jettison all that "pre-formed" barrier you have constructed around yourself. Good luck!

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I do not think I belittle you, Neo - but when you say something stupid, I'm gonna call you on it - I expect you to do the same to me, but you rarely do, perhaps because I try to not say stupid stuff and I'm quick to admit a mistake.

If that's a sign of a pampered life, then it's a broken sign, because aside from a high school education courtesy of the Government, I'm a self made man. You may call that boasting, but it's the damm truth. I am white and svelte and not overtly ugly so society has given me a few passes - but nothing not given a few hundred million others WASPS.

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As for "refutin'" ... see my September 9, 2007 9:19 AM post detailing SEVEN Pure anti-BS links ..

See also your claim that "In order for the democrats win, bad things have to happen to America..." .. and explain the badness in place when Clinton was elected ... or is this some new fangled theory you have?

How about when Kennedy was elected?
We'll skip Carter 'cause he clearly was a backlash to Nixon.
How about when Johnson was elected? What was the bad news then?
We'll also skip FDR 'cause he clearly was a backlash to Republicans Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover who famously remarked "We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of any land."

Meanwhile, I'll restate:

I do not want the Democrats to win
I do not want the Republicans to win
I want America to win.

Uh, cRock-o-...feller, the subject is GOOD NEWS FROM IRAQ = bad news for the democrats.
As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) Kennedy, Johnson, and Hoover have not been president since we've been in Iraq. Try to stay on subject.
Feel free to tell me I'm full of poop if you have evidence to the contrary.

A few weeks ago, A retired General (can't recall his name) testified before congress that he thought the situation in Iraq was improving and it would be a mistake to surrender at this point. Well, this was just too much to bear for a liberal democrat from Kansas (I think) one rep. 'Boyda' who grew so upset at the prospect of things improving in Iraq that she walked out of the hearing.

Never seen that covered by MesSNBC, CBS, or CNN...did you? Not saying it wasn't mentioned, but it certainly never got top billing.
Put the shoe on the other foot and imagine a retired General had testified that things in Iraq were going from bad to worse at warp speed and surrender was the best option on the table and a republican rep. had gotten up and walked out...hell would have no fury like a media scorned.

It's a sad day in America when an elected representative cannot stomach to hear any good news for America for fear it will damage their chances of re-election and literally walks away when some good news is delivered. The democrats have staked their political futures on failure, class envy, racial strife, and convincing as many Americans as possible that America is an unjust country and they need the democrats to stand between them and complete anarchy.

Thus: Any good news out of Iraq = bad news for the democrats as it diminishes their chances for success at the ballot box...pitiful, but true. They are heavily invested in failure.

Oh, didn't mean to dis you, THE LIBERAL COWARD. You can run along now, I've patted your head.

"serious rebuttals to Mr. Douglas' assertion that bad news from Iraq sucks for the defeatocrats" ... were given at the top.

FIRST Post - Mr. Douglas' did not state that and what he did "quote" was mis-quoted.

YOU twisted " ... efforts to press for a timetable to end the war" to "The defeatocrats are heavily invested in losing in Iraq."

To quote you IN context: "pathetic".

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Flip Flop - or a subtle concession?

"cRock-o-...feller, and what does your post have to do with this fact: Good news for America = bad news for the democrats?"

Posted by neocon | September 4, 2007 10:29 AM

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"Uh, cRock-o-...feller, the subject is GOOD NEWS FROM IRAQ = bad news for the democrats."

Posted by neocon | September 10, 2007 7:28 PM

Very telling that you have to go back some 40 odd years to find any solid ground whatsoever to dispute the subject at hand. Hmmm...

BTW, cRock-o-...feller, do you think what General Petraeus had to say yesterday was welcome news for the democrats?
They were so much as calling him a liar before he began to speak.
Komrade Tom Lantos told the General 'he deed not by eet'...referring to what the General had yet to say.

Absolutely pitiful.

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Neo,
Your last post illustrates why people pay you no mind. You are a racist of the worse stripe. Sad. Very sad.

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" ... do you think what General Petraeus had to say yesterday was welcome news for the democrats?"

Well for the umpteenth time - I don't know who "the democrats" are - cause there are men and women with all colors frustrated with Iraq, but I did hear General Petraeus state they were working to a timeline - the timeline that Georgie and his Cronies have so hard argued against.

i also heard from Crocker a lot of frustration on the Political front .. the same frustration many of us ... of all colors ... have expressed

Well hell, if you don't know who the democrats are...allow me.
They are the members of congress who are trying to preempt any good news at all coming out of Iraq, by proclaiming they "deed not by eeet" proir to hearing what the news was!

... so when you pull your red lever as the lesser-of-two-evils - you may infact be voting for a democrat living on a republican lever? - you know one of those OMG - Maybe you need a better vetting process!

I'd be glad to vote for a democrat, providing I could find one that doesn't require failure, class envy, and racial strife to keep them in power... but Zell Miller is retired now and the others with enough backbone to defend the country are either dead or have switched parties.

Good news for America = Bad news for the democrats.

THE LIBERAL COWARD, it's official now...sweet pea has declared you an "underdog"...

"whistle"..."whistle"..."whistle"...

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