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NAIS is a program designed by socialists/farm factory industry to destroy the remnants of self sufficiency in this country.

Registering and implanting an RFID chip in every sheep/goat/horse/pig/cow/chicken born or hatched on your property as well as reporting their demise under the penalty of criminal charges if one doesn't will drive family/hobby farms out of existence within a generation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Animal_Identification_System
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml

Law of the Sea Treaty
Kyoto Treaty
NAIS

All designed to weaken America.

Hugh .. you'll have to help me understand the similarity between the "socialists" and the "farm factory industry"

As I see it, the "farm factory industry" is basically the Monsantos and Cargills of the world .. g-man / corporate partnership ... while socialists are a g-man / individual partnership (classically a step in the path to communism).

Personally I would go for total destruction of both.

"This is not what "voluntary" means in a free and equal society."

News flash: This is not a free and equal society.

Rockefeller,

Reread the definition of socialism. It's when government controls (by violent force, naturally) all the means of production, not what you said.

I think you can find a hundred definitions, A-C. Wikipedia supports my definition.

"For Karl Marx, who helped establish and define the modern socialist movement, socialism would be the socioeconomic system that arises after the proletarian revolution, in which the means of production are owned collectively. This society would then progress into communism."

"Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of a classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production."

By the way, Communism has worked, but only in really small groups .. Native American Indian tribes bing a good example.

Rockefeller,

As I read the quote about Marx, I get my original definition. To re-quote your quote, "...in which the means of production are owned collectively." Owned collectively = owned by the state, the state in this case theoretically being all the people. Yes, as I understand it, Marx's end vision was for there to be an anarcho-communist society (communism without a state), but that's pretty senseless. It would be impossible to maintain communism on a large scale without a state.

I agree with you that communism can work on a small scale, and I wouldn't be against it as long as everyone in that society voluntarily adheres to it. In fact, as a libertarian/anarcho-capitalist, I wish anyone who wants that well in their endeavor.

You get MY "original definition" - a g-man / individual partnership. We agree it's senseless ... my real point was trying to understand Hugh - who owes us all big time, btw 'cause he bet his credibility on the USA invading Iran in 2005

Rockefeller,

Maybe I'm missing something here. How does collective = individual?

The emergency hay distribution program limits the amount of hay that a livestock owner can purchase through the program on any given day. A premise identifier is a sensible way to track who has and has not used his/her allotment.

As we've seen in the Katrina relief effort and other disasters, government relief brings out the worst in some people. Ms. Sutton expresses concerns about the price of hay, but she would (and should) be even more concerned if speculators are allowed to step in and buy up the emergency supply.

The NAIS system will become mandatory at some point in the next few years and will improve food (and farm) safety once it is brought fully on-line. The program is only voluntary while implementation issues are being worked out.

For the time being, however, all that Ms. Sutton needs to do to avoid registering her farm is to make her own private arrangements for hay.

Dave said: "The NAIS system will become mandatory at some point in the next few years and will improve food (and farm) safety once it is brought fully on-line."

We currently have the safest food industry in the world.

The security you claim NAIS will provide isn't worth the loss of the countless family farms that currently supplement their incomes by raising their own animals for food, barter animals for goods/services.

The risks involved in being charged criminally for failing to report a goat/sheep/pig/cow was born or died, the extra work involved in keeping up with how many chickens were born/died, the hassle of bureaucratic paperwork and the cost of $2+ for each RFID tag eating into the already minimal margins even modest farms generate will cause these endeavors to become a thing of the past.

But hey, we can all eat factory meat knowing it's safe.

Heidi Sutton,
I understand this registry is cause for alarm but please answer me this: Without some sort of registry what is there to stop anybody from picking up truck loads of state funded hay and reselling it for a profit at taxpayers' expense?

"We currently have the safest food industry in the world."

On what basis is that statement made?

"But hey, we can all eat factory meat knowing it's safe."

I guess it's how one define's "safe". The long term effects on the steriods and anti-biotics fed the stock are unknown, and an economy based singularly on corn seems risky, but I'll grant that there is little risk of getting in immediate disease from food at the local Harris Teeter (or whatever).

"In the U.S. there are studies shown that we now have osteoporosis in early teenagers, Type II diabetes is no longer called adult onset because kids get it, the incidence of obesity is pushing 30%. Another study done showed that children eating conventionally raised foods have 15X levels of pesticides and herbicides in their urine. The incidence of "learning disabilities" is also rising sharply, more evidence is suggesting that most of this is diet related."

If you process meat for the public, the place must be routinely inspected. Apparently there is a requirement of a bathroom dedicated - for the exclusive use - of the USDA inspector. Maybe that's just a perk, maybe there are other reasons.

JDR, Edit, "we have ONE of the safest food industries" in the world.

Base it on the percentage of the population that dies each year from eating tainted meat. How often do you hear of it, besides Ecoli, which is a slaughterhouse issue?

I'm all for a safe food industry but too many people seem to want to trade bureaucratic oversight of mom and pop farms which will cause the loss of a way of life for millions in this country within a generation for a minutia of additional "security".

The priorities are wrong.

My last comment in the previous post was sarcasm, didn't think I'd have to put a /s tag on it.

Hugh,

You may have been off a couple of years. Sometimes it takes things longer to carry themselves out. But any recent glances at the news would tell you that there's a good chance that prediction's fulfillment is just around the corner. Since we don't actually declare war in this country anymore, you could argue that we're in the first stages already.

I applaud your silence.

Nitpicker,
How's that Racism thing working for you? Still hating black people, claiming they're not smart? How about your claim that Obama is a muslim? Of course, your most ridiculous post was when you said, "OBAMA WOULD BE WORSE THAN HITLER" !

How can you even show your face on these pages??? Have you NO shame or are you really that dense?

Nit,

Guess you'll claim you are JUST A VICTIM!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/86280

Yeah, you're a victim all right.

Dave Rubier, it is apparent you have little or no experience farming. NAIS is an unnecessary added layer of attempted, contitutional illegal Federal Government control over an already highly regulated industry. NAIS will NOT make animal food products safer. It will do the opposite. Large, mega, corporate farming is a major problem in having well grown, healthy animal products available for the consumer. Smaller, owner tended livestock will be better grown, on the whole, than anything coming out of the mega farms. I feel much safer knowing the farmer that raised the chicken or beef or whatever, than relying on a large corporate farm, run for profit only, directed by a few or many folks sitting behind their desks, directing a large number of waged workers to "care" for the animals. The waged workers have little to nothing to to do but their "job" and really could care less about the final consumer. The smaller operator cares for his animals with a much greater consideration for the individual animals and the final consumer. If he screws up he directly looses customers or if animals have problems, looses $ from his pocket. Not so with corporate farming. Most all food "problems" we have in this country come from poor or improper activities in value added operations (slaughter houses, meat cutting operations, egg washing/packing operations, vegetable or fruit packing or processing operations). We are supposed to have government inspection and oversight of these operations but it is very lacking. The NAIS program was written and formulated primarily by the chip and chip reading instrument industries and the large corporate farming operations. NAIS will potentially allow large production operations a greater world market for animal products but it will not make our food any safer. It will create a situation where the consumers in the USA will have no choice at the meat, dairy product and egg counters but to buy mega farm products.No compromise on NAIS, just NO NAIS.