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That is easy, Easley and the liberal press is more concerned about filling the colleges with ILLEGALS.

Touché Dog. Don't forget twice failed senator nominee Erskine Bowles contribution. They must love him south of the border.

ALL NC Universities offer in-state tuition to active military and their dependents.

Nit, Neither the author nor anyone else mentioned in- state tuition. The argument is who is offering the education, in this case out of state universities rather than UNC or NCSU.

Dan,
Cut "Nitwit" some slack...he's still roiling with racism about Obama. He said "Obama would be worse than Hitler".

Oh, and Dan, if you would have checked, your alma mater gladly welcomes GI's and veterans to be Spartans like you.

nitpicker
That's true, but they make no accommodation if you are deployed. They also offer very few classes near military installations and the rates for virtual campus or distance learning are downright stupid. They are devised as a backdoor tuition increase by the UNC system. Everything that would serve our servicemembers bears inflated costs.
We need Bowles to support Americans and North Carolinians at least as much as he does illegal immigrants. We need him to perform the office to which he has been appointed and serve the Citizens of the State of NC instead of looking for ways to be seem to be something he is not. After all, our motto is Esse Quam Videri, "To Be rather than To Seem".
The UNC system was developed and is mandated to serve the Citizens of North Carolina and that is what it should do.

The UNC system is a very active participant in the Servicemembers Opportunity Colleges program. It's not at all clear that it makes sense for UNC Chapel Hill to participate when several other campuses can (and do fill in). UNC system campuses that participate in the SOC program include Fayetteville State University, NC A&T, NC Central, UNC Charlotte, UNC Pembrooke, UNC Wilimington, Western Carolina, and Winston-Salem State University.

In all there are nearly 70 NC-based institutions of higher education that serve the SOC program. The number of participating institutions seems far beyond what one would expect from a state the size of NC.

For more information on the SOC program, please see http://www.soc.aascu.org/socgen/SOCGuide.html .

Oops, left out East Carolina University and Elizabeth City State University, which also are in the UNC system and serve the SOC program.

The university I attended for the first two years, UNC-G, apparently does according to you Demon Deacon. The university named on my diploma, UNC-CH, according to the author does not.

Speaking of NC universities, good weekend for basketball unless you are a Wolfpack or Demon Deacon fan. For those two groups, well....a classic trip to the woodshed might be an appropriate description.

BC 112 WFU 73, a THIRTY NINE POINT BLOWOUT!!

For BC, the point total marked the Eagles' highest point total in a league contest (Big East or ACC) in program history.

UNC 93 NCSU 62

NCSU held to 13 1st half points.

Very few service members are able to use UNC System offerings at all because no effort is made to accommodate the actual requirements of an active duty member. For example, many members stand watch every third day. How does one then access education benefits designed solely for recent high school graduates who work part time if at all?
The SOC program is a great program designed to allow credits to be transferred, military experience to be evaluated and included in a degree program and a "home" university. It does nothing to accommodate the realities of active duty service.
The reality is that that the UNC System, like most systems, ignores the needs of 99% of service members and I know of no one that has received any credit whatsoever for military experience or training. I myself attended Naval Nuclear Power School and studied advanced mathematics, nuclear and particle physics, and heat transfer and fluid flow dynamics. Credit received? 0 credit hours. I was required to take college algebra when attending a UNC System school even though I had the equivalent of four semesters of Calculus and three years of physics.
The SOC program is great for what it does, but it does very little to actually provide services to our military personnel on active duty.
Bowles is not really interested in serving our military anyway. He is too busy formulating tuition increases so he can create a swollen administrative bureaucracy and handing out money to anyone that is not a citizen. He does not care about our active duty service members.
As for UNC-CH and NC State not offering access to military personnel, what is the justification for excluding service members while offering this same service to illegal immigrants? There is no justification.

Dan,

Point taken. My response was to the suggestion that our state was not military friendly.

Honestly, it's kind of hard to nail down exactly what the author is arguing but the main point seems to be that Carolina and State don't offer the extension courses that active military desires.

However, to insinuate that the educational system is not military-friendly is a reach. North Carolina has the broadest, best and most affordable college education in the State of North Carolina. It has programs designed to help military families succeed in terms of cost and course availability. It has extension courses at various colleges mentioned by Dave Ribar.

One of the problems hinted at above was the cost of these courses. Who exactly should bear the cost? Seems like the person receiving the benefit. That's what happens when you attempt to accomodate every person's need. It drives up the cost.

I've always questioned just how much college courses have to do with active military and are they really applicable to what the active military are doing to serve our country. Any insight would be appreciated.

I'm not going to disagree with criticisms about Bowles.

As University President, he's going to (and already has started to) create one program after another and worry about paying for it later.

He's much like our own Terry Grier.

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Danny,
I just love how you take a UNCG Spartan education and try to spin it into being a UNC graduate!!
Too funny.
I knew a lady, who once took a workshop at Juilliard and she put on her resume' that she "attended Juilliard"! Great trick for those who have delusions of adequacy!

Who did your alma mater (Spartans) play this past weekend? Did you bring the family into the city to watch it?
LOL!
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Nitpicker,
How can you STILL post here after your racist rants?! You are impervious to your own ignorance. After claiming blacks were inferior to whites, you then claim Obama is a muslim and that he would be "worse than Hitler"!
Do you think ANYONE takes you seriously anymore???
To be a racist requires one to be ignorant--you are guilty on both counts! Why don't you just:
1. Go AWAY!

OR

2. Apologize for the overt racism and for the covert hate you have for people of color!

How about doing both!

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Danny,
Tell us again, what branch of the military did you choose to serve with?????

Thought so. Kind of like your comments about city trash pickup--since you don't live in the city.

Little fella, you are such a narcissist. Probably henpecked at home--guess this gives you a place to "feel" important.

Peace and Donny Osmond!

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BU 112-73 WFU=39. It's gotta hurt.

Danny,
When your Spartans are ready to take on the Deacs, let me know. Until then, stay under the porch with the little dogs. More to that metaphor than meets the eye, but it's lost on you.

"Danny,
Tell us again, what branch of the military did you choose to serve with?????"

Hey I was curious about the same thing Demon Deaconette. Tell me please, in which branch did you serve?

"Danny,
When your Spartans are ready to take on the Deacs, let me know"

That's about as wimpy a post as the Canadian flag post. Note: WFU is in the ACC, as is BC. UNC-G is in the Southern Conference. Perhaps WFU should stay under the porch with the little dogs and battle UNCG or Greensboro College.

Gotta give 'em credit, WFU trounced USC upstate 72-48 and topped Presbyterian 70-58.

Am I the only one who notices a marked decline in the level of conversation once Demon Deacon weighs in on a thread? Brings things down to a fifth grade level. Is that how far you went before dropping out, DD? If not, you sure didn't retain much after that.

True Nic. I should avoid responding to his/her posts but he/she is too much fun and easy to toy with.

NicDanger,
You need a mirror. Your posts could be compared to "refried beans" straight from Mi Pueblo or Taco Bell.
The fact Danny just eats you up speaks volumes.

"When your Spartans are ready to take on the Deacs, let me know."

Be careful what you ask for.

UNCG handed Georgia Tech a loss this year and took NC State into overtime last year.

Wake sucked when they had Skip. The BC game is a pretty fair indication of where they are without him.

"I just love how you take a UNCG Spartan education and try to spin it into being a UNC graduate!! "

"The University of North Carolina is a multi-campus university composed of 16 public senior institutions of higher education." UNC website.

So, a degree from ANY of them makes you a UNC graduate.

If your diploma ends with "at Chapel Hill", then you are a UNC-CH graduate.

"Do you think ANYONE takes you seriously anymore???"

I'm not sure anyone ever did. That question was answered about you LONG ago.

Still waiting for that school's name, buddy.

Inferior is what inferior does.

"If your diploma ends with "at Chapel Hill", then you are a UNC-CH graduate."

As mine does Nit. The concept is called "Junior Transfer". A lot of folks do it.

Besides, comments like "I just love how you take a UNCG Spartan education and try to spin it into being a UNC graduate!!" is a slap in the face to UNC-G graduates. UNC-G is a good school and a degree from there should be a source of pride rather than ridicule.

Since the diversion has come up and I have a friend who teaches at A&T (which has a fairly strong ROTC showing if I heard right, so still on-topic), I'd be interested in knowing how someone critical of UNCG undergrad degree views the academics or value of a NC A&T undergrad degree...

UNCG:
Average high school GPA: 3.5
Test Scores:
SAT critical reading scores over 500 58%
SAT math scores over 500 65%
SAT critical reading scores over 600 16%
SAT math scores over 600 18%
SAT critical reading scores over 700 2%
SAT math scores over 700 2%
http://www.petersons.com/ugchannel/code/instvc.asp?inunid=9315
(stands pretty close to Guilford ($25k), actually, for much less cost)
http://www.petersons.com/ugchannel/code/InstVC.asp?inunid=6533&sponsor=1

Vs.

NC A&T
Average high school GPA: 2.9
Test Scores:
SAT critical reading scores over 500 19%
SAT math scores over 500 23%
SAT critical reading scores over 600 2%
SAT math scores over 600 3%
http://www.petersons.com/ugchannel/code/InstVC.asp?inunid=7790&sponsor=1

I think any college graduate should be proud, but, for consistency, it seems the A&T grad should be heavily ridiculed around here if any pride in achievement or alma mater is admitted.

I eagerly await a response, especially considering both demographics.

Roger

Nothing? But surely there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of local people that could be teased and ridiculed for "pretending" that they have a "real" degree because they chose to, or could only afford to, attend our outstanding community college system for their first two years before transferring to a four year school.

I generally ignore most things because, as my daughter's then hated and now fondly remembered toddler years taught me, I know that showing attention just reinforces a loop. But it disturbs me that education is so easily cheapened. Think of the military students the LTE writer references. Our own home-town folks stationed somewhere else and trying to figure out what they'll do with the little time they have, and keeping up with local going-ons through the N&R site. Think of our local people. How many are reading this who don't post? It's a greater number than you think. Some of them might be struggling with attending or paying for school and trying to figure out if the time and effort is worth it, probably having doubts because the courses are hard and even cheap schools are expensive. Some probably have friends teasing them for going to school, telling them it won't matter because it's not X-College or N School of Y. And we have an outspoken (and affiliated) poster essentially reinforcing every doubt they might have. Your school isn't any good. You're pretending your degree means something when you really transferred from a two-year program. Or you went to a "cheap" four-year school.

Yeah, you've got a degree, but it doesn't really mean anything. Just look where it's from.

What a horrible, elitist, and degrading thing to say. And one that I've never heard any real college graduate voice, but one I've heard often from people who never tried or dropped out.

I hope anyone reading who might be having these doubts will know that it is worth it. The accomplishment, the pride, and the little smile you'll have to hide every time you pass that degree hanging on your wall is worth every bit of time and effort. We believe in you, and we're fortunate to have a wealth of affordable two and four year schools in our area. A degree means a lot to both dedication and intelligence, whether it be from NC A&T, Duke, or Guilford Tech.

You can do it.

And it's worth it.

Roger

Roger,
The point made was that Danny did the lion's share of his "study" at UNCG but claims to be a UNC-Chapel Hill graduate. He could have done it at A&T or Bennett (if he's really Dannette), Greensboro College, Pfieffer, or East Coast Bible College for all I care.

It's like staying for a week in NYC at a fleabag motel, then sitting in the lobby of the Plaza for an afternoon, then claiming to have "stayed" at the Plaza while in New York! Technically...yes, he stayed a few hours.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh_t! Just another effort to make himself "appear" smarter and more accomplished than he is---which is exactly how we get such low caliber politicians today.

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