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This is the great thing about liberalism/socialism on a grand scale, Nell. They don't have to be your next door neighbor or even live on the same street. The $ used for the health care of illegal aliens in NC can be lifted from someone in Iowa or Texas... You don't even have to look them in the face. Is America a great country or what?

'What a harsh judgment: "... I do not see why taxpayers should pay for health care of illegal aliens and the children of other irresponsible parents.'

So what you're saying is that anybody who isn't a citizen of this country should have their medical bills covered by taxes that working citizens pay. We have citizens of this country that are dying because they don't have insurance, can't afford to pay, and are turned away from hospitals.

I guess you're also saying that tax payers should cover the costs involved of irresponsible people, who feel that unadulterated fornication, regardless of the consequences should be covered under taxes paid by the working citizens of this country. Wow! Thanks for clearing that up. Personal responsibility sounds like a concept of which you've never heard.

It seems that some consider being poor as irresponsible, that poor people don't deserve children, that poor people aren't supposed to have sex, that children who are born to irresponsible parents should just pull themselves up by their booties and become healthy and successful.

Unless I in misinformed, most of the illegal immigrants in the USA do work, that's why they are kept here by businesses. They are part of the working poor, and the number of working poor is growing daily.

I don't resent one penny of my taxes going to help people who need it, and I realize that some are "not deserving", but who am I to judge this. I do resent every cent which goes to the war in Iraq. Wouldn't it be nice if we could allocate our tax dollars to the cause we choose. I think those who choose war would have a bigger tax bill.

" .. most of the illegal immigrants in the USA do work, that's why they are kept here by businesses."

Bingo. The same business interests that talk about Morality and Personal Responsibility and Law and Order .. and High CEO Pay because "they earn it" ..

Yesterday there was an article in the paper about Arizona's new law that cracks down on business' that hire illegals - about how the illegals were leaving that state (headed no doubt for other states with more lax laws) - meanwhile causing in Arizona a high rental vacancy rate and subsequent lowering of property values.

Nell, people like you are the reason we should reapeal the 19th Amendment. You are the reason we are in the situation we now find oursevles. You want to live in a compassionate Socialist society, try Cuba! There everyone is poor, so there are no rich to blame for the problems of the poor (almost always the least educated).

the next liberal response suggests that our laws should be enforced only if it is good for the economy. Liberalism is the effect of a damaged mind!

At least you are always good for a laugh, tonymo.

"Unless I in misinformed, most of the illegal immigrants in the USA do work, that's why they are kept here by businesses. They are part of the working poor, and the number of working poor is growing daily"

Carol,

It would have been more accurate to say most of the men here illegally work. Just walk into any health department during normal working hours and you will see why the women here illegally cannot work. They are too busy taking care of the multiple children they have.

As I have stated before, I have never admitted a hispanic child who did not have Medicaid and darn few hispanic adults.

The only people who benefit from illegals being here are big companies and the illegals themselves. Lg companies get cheap labor while paying no benefits (because the taxpayers are picking up that tab) and they get corporate tax breaks. Illegals benefit because, although they work for less by American standards, it is obviously more than they make in their own country and they get all kinds of freebies, compliments of the taxpayers, many of whom have no benefits and can't get benefits themselves.

JDR,

The lowering of property values is not indigenous to Arizona. Since the housing market bottom fell out, property values are lower all around the country. One almost has to give their property away (in most cities/areas) in order to sell. Besides, when one rents to illegals (especially illegals because they are so fluid anyway), their property value decreases. In this town, where there is one illegal family in a house, there are at least two or more other families. Even though it is a one family dwelling, with few exceptions, as many as twenty people live there.

This is a very small community with hispanics comprising at least 60% of the total population (2000 census). Most of my neighbors are hispanic because most of my non-hispanic neighbors own most of the rental property around here. My next door neighbors, on both sides, own substantial land (as do I by most standards). This is the only reason our property values have not declined considerably. In town, it's a different story. It is appalling, in general, how hispanics disrespect the property where they live.

(Incidentally, I moved here in 1994, long before I knew what I know now. I continued to work at Baptist Hospital for several years so I still did not know much about this community for a long time. It was not until I started to work at the local hospital that my eyes were fully open. By then I had already invested too much blood, sweat, tears and money to move.)

"It seems that some consider being poor as irresponsible, that poor people don't deserve children, that poor people aren't supposed to have sex, that children who are born to irresponsible parents should just pull themselves up by their booties and become healthy and successful."

Carol, All I'm saying is that people should be responsible for their own actions. Don't be so dramatic. If people can't afford to feed themselves, what business do they have making babies they can't afford to feed?

The way you and Yvonne talk, it sounds like people are being held at gunpoint to have children, rather than making a choice. If someone decides to have a child, by all means it's his/her right. If you can't afford to feed it, well that's just irresponsible. You brush me off as some kind of cretin, but I've seen enough starving and abused kids in my lifetime to know what I'm talking about.

Yvonne nailed this one! Tonymo is ALWAYS good for a laugh! This is the mother lode of laughter---Phyllis Gibbs' letter and then the totally uninformed responses to the reproductive rights letter and then TonyMo's comments.

"Liberalism is the effect of a damaged mind!"

Are you running a "crack house" over there now Tony? You've gone past the point of insanity.

James, the righties never have a problem with corporate welfare, just seeing someone with the same opportunities they have, climbing above them. CEO pay is a good start. I vote no on all proxies for stocks I hold, when the subject is executive compensation OR the appointment of a consultant for executive compensation. The top officers generally ask for an independent consultant to examine the pay structure, then out of the blue, there is a vote on the recommendation of the consulatant! Voila! The ceo suddenly makes more money.

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Nell,
Your letter is so true. As I've pointed out on numerous occasions, some who post here about pulling themselves up by the bootstraps never acknowledge the help they've received along the way. Might be their first house bought with a VA loan. Education supplemented through the G.I. Bill, doctors trained at military hospitals, or public tax supported hospitals--oh yes, even Moses Cone has interns. Student loans, Pell grants, etc. Military disability or Social Security....and no, neocon, you've pulled out far more than you ever put in!

Yes, the ones who cry out the loudest are usually the ones who have not taken time to see just how many breaks they've received along the way.

Great letter Nell!

"Are you running a "crack house" over there now Tony? You've gone past the point of insanity."

Remember Demon Deacon, kinder and gentler. You can do it!!

"and no, neocon, you've pulled out far more than you ever put in!"

TL Canadianette, just because you see endless lines of people lined up for their gubbermint cheese in your line of work, doesn't mean the entire population is groveling at the feet of the social workers.

"I see no compassion, no love, in this letter."

You expect 'compassion and love' from someone who has his paycheck raped on a weekly basis to foot the bill for illegal aliens?
Nell, as tonymo suggested, you and TL Canadianette are two girls who are poster children for repealing the 19th amendment.

"and no, neocon, you've pulled out far more than you ever put in!"

TL Canadianette, just because you see endless lines of people lined up for their gubbermint cheese in your line of work, doesn't mean the entire population is groveling at the feet of the social workers.

"I see no compassion, no love, in this letter."

You expect 'compassion and love' from someone who has his paycheck raped on a weekly basis to foot the bill for illegal aliens?
Nell, as tonymo suggested, you and TL Canadianette are two girls who are poster children for repealing the 19th amendment.