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Hell, let's just declare Hussein Obama King right now and be done with it.

Anyone who can deliver a speech on race that keeps the liberals mesmerized for weeks on end deserves no less.

"...I got a crush on Obama........"

I must say I do admire the way he has deflected any inspection of his $2 trillion and growing attempt to buy the presidency. Why, he makes Clinton's programs look paltry!

No one is asking the hard questions, and that is how he, Wright and the media have planned it.

Wake up, Linda- he's already married.....

As long as he makes the masses think that the biggest problem in America is the racial divide and not the safety and security of all Americans, he has a good shot at the POTUS. I predict McCain (who is only a little less liberal) will sweep the country if he takes up the cause of national security.

Oh, and in anticipation of lc's comments to be-

....am not....

"I predict McCain will sweep the country if he takes up the cause of national security."

Don't be so sure Ellis. Yelling "FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!" is no longer considered a strategy after 7 1/2 years of the "Little Boy Who Cried WMD".
Besides, ol' Granpa Munster had better get some caffeine in him or else he's gonna fall asleep at his next speech. As a comedian said, "McCain will be the one answering the phone at 3:00 AM, because he'll already be up...trying to use the bathroom!".

Who did McCain say we were fighting in Iraq??? The Iraninans? Yes, I believe he said we were fighting the Iranians. Poor old fellow doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia, and has to have Joe Lieberman there to whisper in his ear. But he'll be quick to tell you---"I've been to Iraq more times than you have....nah, nah, nah, nay nay!!" Pitiful.

Note: While I salute his military service, I liked McCain when he stood up to the religious nutz in the Republican Party. Once he turned and embraced them, I have NO respect for him. He's what the GOP calls a "FLIP FLOPPER".

neo,
Ever heard ANYONE say these things about Bush? About McCain? Hillary?

Doubt it.

Bush can't pronounce nuclear, and has proven he doesn't know what it means---yet you have supported that dolt for over seven years. Maybe, just maybe, the American people have seen through the modus operandi of the GOP. You know, trying to convince the lower income people that the tax cut for the rich was about THEM! You obviously swallowed that one.
And neo, how about the FACT that 97% of the over 4,000 deaths in Iraq came AFTER Bush declared, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"????
Forget it. Like Dan, you are a one trick pony--if it's GOP, it's A-OK. LOL!

neo, would you like Obama if his name were Billy Bob and he said he was white?

I can't speak for Neocon, but I can say this. If Obama's name were Billy Bob, he was white, and it had been brought to my attention that he attended Klan meetings for the last 20 years, I wouldn't be voting for him in that case either.

Obama's speech was inspiring! However, remember this, A professional politician has the ability to form the words that the public wants to hear.

This for every politician that has sought public office. Their words are ment to inspire. To excite you for your vote. What they actually do in public office remains to be seen.

Maybe they will do what they say. Maybe they will do what they want. And, a few will load their secret bank accounts with cash. Maybe!

The Dog's outa here
Crime Dog

Bishop wrote, "If Obama's name were Billy Bob, he was white, and it had been brought to my attention that he attended Klan meetings for the last 20 years..." Bishop, what exactly did Rev. Wright say that could be construed as similar to the type of hate speech that you would hear at a Klan meeting? He uttered an expletive at America. He made a off base and wildly conspiratorial comment about the US govt. and AIDS. I am still trying to understand what comment he directly uttered at white people. If you answer that he uttered the comment at America, therefore, he uttered the comment at white people. What does that say about your definition of "America?"

"neo, would you like Obama if his name were Billy Bob and he said he was white?"

Ever notice how the 'colorblind' liberals are the first to notice a person's skin color?

Ms. Dunn, I don't dislike Hussein personally, but I abhor the fact that he is a borderline communist who favors unlimited government and his policies (what little we've been able to glean from his speeches about 'hope and change') will steal more money from those who earn it and turn the loot over to those who never lifted anything heavier than a voting machine lever to earn it.

I answered your question, now answer mine...would you still worship Hussein Obama if his name were Billy Bob and he was white?

Conundrum, Does my comment say anything directly about Rev. Wright? Does my comment exude the type of ethnocentrism in this statement:

"If you answer that he uttered the comment at America, therefore, he uttered the comment at white people. What does that say about your definition of 'America?'"

No, I didn't say any of that. If you want to put words in my mouth in order to write me off as a racist, then that just shows me your true nature. However, if you can't even condemn the subscription to a belief that states:

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."

Then I'm sorry, we've got nothing to discuss. Covering for Obama, just because he's Black won't cut it. There are plenty of White racists like David Duke, and I'm not afriad to call him out either.

Bishop, don't do that. Don't attribute the statement "If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him" to Obama or Wright. Neither said that. That statement comes from James Cone and his black liberation theology. Don't cheapen your argument with a lie.

Last week, I said in a posting, that any religion that practices violence is not a religion that anyone should be practing. Don't lie for the sake of expediency.

Agree, crimedog, that words are cheap, no matter who utters them. I do appreciate politicians who can speak well.

Neo, I worship no man, but I would like Obama if he were white...actually he is half white. A person's name does not define them, although some do indicate a person's parents.

Bishop, where did you get the quote "If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."

"That statement comes from James Cone and his black liberation theology."

Exactly, it's a fundamental tenant of the theology.

"Don't cheapen your argument with a lie."

No, Conundrum, you're lying to yourself.

Carol, please see above for where the quote was referenced.

Bishop, the way your quote was written it appeared that either Wright or Obama said it. How is it relevant to your argument against Obama?

I thought it was a good speech too. But I am getting tired of it. Also, I'm glad you guys aren't calling each racists as much...but then, you already did decide who was in the Cabal.

Anyway, the LTE writer said Obama backs up his words with action. Anybody want to tell me what that action is? I certainly haven't heard about it.

Neo:

Since Obama offers “little .. to glean from his speeches about 'hope and change’ “ .... how do you know “he is a borderline communist who favors unlimited government and his policies will steal more money from those who earn it and turn the loot over to those who never lifted anything heavier than a voting machine lever to earn it” ???

Jeeze you make him sound like GW Bush .. who in fact did those things.

“unlimited government” .. should we start with Rebuilding New Orleans, or Fourth Amendment rights, or Habeas Corpus,

“steal more money” .. have you seen the national debt figures?

“those who never lifted anything heavier than a voting machine lever to earn it” … surely you are referring to the Landed Gentry who so love the “con-servative” movement.

"Bishop, the way your quote was written it appeared that either Wright or Obama said it. How is it relevant to your argument against Obama?"

Carol,

Please do not try and put words in my mouth. I have far too much respect for you. I never said that either Obama or Wright are attributed to the quote that I posted. Rev. James Cone, the primary founder of Black Liberation Theology (BLT) is credited with the hateful message above.

Now, if you do any kind of research at all, you will find that TUCC, Obama's church of 20 years, loudly and proudly proclaims that they are a BLT Church. Wright's sermons are firmly rooted in the tenets of black liberation theology, the life's work of James Cone.

BLT is filled with nothing but hatred for people of Anglican descent. People like Conundrum are acting like there's no connection whatsoever. Now ask yourself, honestly. If a White male candidate of rock-star proportions were found to be involved, for over 20 years, with a church thoroughly ensconced in a hatred against Black people; would you consider that candidate to be a racist?

Bishop...I was simply asking where the statement came from...it looked like it was from Wright in its presentation on the blog. Conundrum clarified it before I asked the question. How does this look to you...if you didn't know what was meant? You never mentioned Cone in your original statement.

However, if you can't even condemn the subscription to a belief that states:

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."

Then I'm sorry, we've got nothing to discuss. Covering for Obama, just because he's Black won't cut it. There are plenty of White racists like David Duke, and I'm not afriad to call him out either.

I personally am also tired of hearing about this issue. Let it rest. Look at your choices this year. Do you really want another Republican/Bush in office? I surely don't. Just listen to the news, folks...PBS, NPR, CSPAN, not just the main stream shows. We MIGHT be in a recession???? Berenke look scared to death when he was before Congress...and do you blame him? Let's discuss real issues, not just what the media wants to keep before us. We are all looking at a scary future, not from "terrorists" but from the financial situation in our country.

Carol, you didn't answer my question. Instead, you changed the subject and then pretend that I'm ignorant of current events, because you think I'm dwelling on this issue. Hardly, I believe it's relevant to the discussion at hand.

Further, I don't want McCain in office any more than you do. I can't see fit to vote for a man who subscribes to a belief system that labels me a "white devil" just because my ancestors are from Scotland. Rest assured, I won't be voting for McCain either. He's just as big a racist as Obama, and a crook to boot.

"We are all looking at a scary future, not from "terrorists" but from the financial situation in our country."

I find that line interesting Carol. Why do you put the word terrorists in quotes?

cRock-o-...feller, there is very little one can glean from Hussein Obama's speeches as they contain mostly soundbites like "hope and change we can believe in". However a quick peek at his website reveals he promises everything from a federal babysitting service to mandating employers provide more 'family leave time' to those who wish to spend more time with their shilldrun. Borderline communism. The federal government telling private employers how they must conduct their business, or face fines and jail. Where will the funding come from to support the federal babysitting service?...From the producers who earn it of course. Ditto "free" health care.

I know of no conservatives who support such 'free' programs.

Ms. Dunn, I never axed you if you would support Hussein Obama if he were white, I axed you if you would still worship him if his name was Billy Bob and he were white. I, too, am interested in the answer to Bishop's question. Surely you have no double standard...do you? Or are you so enamored with Hussein Obama you are willing to turn a blind eye his association of 20 years with a ranting anti-America bigot who calls people of Italian decent "Garlic noses"?

"However a quick peek at his website reveals he promises everything ... "

I don't disaree .. but most politicians are offering that (always have) - including the abreviated list of George's promises listed above.

The problem, imho - is not so much the promises, but the open corruption - much of it legal - and the divisive BS that encourages an ever widening gap - making it harder for those without to get a leg up and easier for those with to gain even more advantage. Call that fluffy if you want but I have given many examples of what I'm talking about.

At what point in our country's history did it become a function of government to 'give a leg up' to anybody? Where is it written?

Not enough free time to spend with your family?...not to worry, the federal government will make laws that require your employer to let you leave early.

No one to watch the kids after school?...no problem, Hussein Obama has a plan that will mandate other people pay for a sitter for you.

Can't make the mortgage payments?...no problemo, the federal government will bail you out using money confiscated from those who earn it.

Didn't pay any income tax and now ineligible for a refund?...don't feel left out, we'll just pass a law that says you are eligible for an 'unearned' income tax credit...the check's in the mail.

Couldn't keep the panties up and now have 8 kids you can't feed by 6 different men?... Hey, we all make mistakes...

Bishop and Neocon, maybe I am dense, but I don't know what question you want me to answer. Please be specific. I said I do not worship any man or woman. I have preferences as to the available candidates...my first choices didn't make the cut (Edwards and Richardson). I just don't see Obama's religion as a threat or a factor which he will use as President, if elected. But then, wonder of wonders, I could be wrong. I was right about Bush, much to my sorrow. I think the 2008 election is a lose-lose situation. I don't think anyone is capable of fixing the problems caused by the Bush Administration...just hope we can take a new direction that will improve things.

Dan, we have been led down a path to destruction with a fear of "terrorists"....as if they are some great organized group or country which is bent on destroying or weakening our country. Our leaders have done their job for them.

Got it Carol. "terrorists" who want to kill Americans no longer exist. Oh that's right, 9/11 was an inside job by the US govt. Rosie O'Donnell said so and I believe her.

"Bishop and Neocon, maybe I am dense, but I don't know what question you want me to answer. Please be specific."

Carol,

To be able to handle unruly kids for all those years you'd have to have a very high EI (emotional intelligence) level, and last time I checked, the Praxis isn't exactly a big bowl of cherries. You're most certainly not dense, this we know. :)

So, I'll repeat my question. If a White male candidate of rock-star proportions were found to be involved, for over 20 years, with a church thoroughly ensconced in a hatred against Black people; would you consider that candidate to be a racist?

Dan, the terrorists who pulled off 911 were a small group working, it seems, with Bin Laden. It was not the country of Iraq, Bin Laden and most of the 911 terrorists were Saudis. The Bush administration used fear and hatred of Muslims to get us where we are. The terrorists can't unite because they seem to hate each other as much as they hate us. Bin Laden seems to have goaded us into the mess we are in. I think our leaders were outfoxed.

Yes, Bishop, I would consider that a person of your description might be a racist. As I said, I just don't see Obama as such a person...and again, I could be wrong. Listening to Wright, I don't hear a hatred of white people but a hatred of the system and anger at the people who are in control, who happen to be white men. Now I don't put all white men in the same category, just know that rich white men control our country and that they look out for their interests, not mine and yours. I am sure that this control will continue whoever the next President might be. Money talks and he who has the gold makes the rules.

Carol,
There IS hope! Obama's AVERAGE contribution is still UNDER $100. Yep, he's used the internet to capture the mom and pop, everyday people and unlike big bucks McCain and Clinton, he will not enter the office beholden to large corporations. Never thought we'd see the day this would happen, but it is happening. It started with Howard Dean's candidacy, continued with Ron Paul and Barack Obama.
Interesting times.

…"we have all seen too much, to take my parents’ brief union-a black man and white woman, an African and an American-at face value. As a result, some people have a hard time taking me at face value. When people who don’t know me well, black or white, discover my background (and it is usually a discovery, for I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of twelve or thirteen, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites), I see the split-second adjustments they have to make, the searching of my eyes for some telltale sign. They no longer know who I am. Privately, they guess at my troubled heart, I suppose-the mixed blood, the divided soul, the ghostly image of the tragic mulatto trapped between two worlds.

Throw mama under the bus right along with white granny.

There's a lot of space under a bus...and at least they won't get rained on.