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The "present" votes will come to haunt Obama, since they demonstrate a persistent desire to be all things to all people. He would have been better off being absent than being "present" (but too prescient to take a stand that might offend someone).

Hey, he's a uniter. He's won over most of the liberals in states that'll go red in November anyway, while Hillary's taken moderates and conservative Dems in key battleground election states.

Yeah. I mean, those guys, they'll vote for Obama in November. I'm sure of it.

"a persistent desire to be all things to all people"

brian, you just described the way to get elected in Illinois. I lived there for 6 long years. A politician like Obama has to appeal to Chicago liberals while not alienating the rest of the state (which consists of "bitter" corn and soybean farmers clinging to their rifles and their King James Bibles.) Thus, as an Illionois politician, messiah-man has plenty of practice talking out of both sides of his mouth.

I just love the fecal flow during election season:

"messiah-man"

Wow! Sounds like a great superhero movie for Pat Robertson, or Pastor John Hagee to underwrite!!
Hagee could be the "Simon Bar-Sinister" character, bearing some
'cryptonite' type substance to hurl at Obama---maybe a pig fetus, a collection plate, mud, a 'shotgun mail solicitation' or some other symbol or the religious right.

This idea has legs...would do well among "uneducated male white voters" in KY, and WV!!

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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/25/photo-showing-obama-in-somali-garb-circulated-by-clinton-campaign-source/

What are you trying to do, confuse people with some facts?
They want to hear no facts about what he has done before. They only want to hear what he says he'll do for them in the future.

I truly do not know why Sen. Obama is subjecting himself to the negative comments and lies that are being hurled at him. In his heart, I think that he truly believes that he can do something positive for this country. If I had ten minutes with him, I would suggest that he not try. If this country wants McCain or Clinton, I would suggest that he just let the country have one of them. You can look at mamaboilermaker’s condescending “Messiah-man” comment, and you see that Neocon tried his hand at Arabic script. The sad thing is, is that Obama and his wife are definitely more educated than the people who post negative things here about them. Not only are they more educated, they have more options. He and his wife should take their Harvard law degrees to some law firm, become partners and make a comfortable living for them and their daughters. He should leave America’s: economy, reputation, health care and educational system to McCain or Clinton. Obama should remove himself from the foolishness and he should let McCain or Clinton attempt to straighten out Bush’s mess.

"He should leave America’s: economy, reputation, health care and educational system to McCain or Clinton. Obama should remove himself from the foolishness and he should let McCain or Clinton attempt to straighten out Bush’s mess."

Hear hear.

Roger

Mr. Cornell we might not all know what Mr. Obama has been doing for the last seven years; but, we do know what the lying republicans have been doing. I think America should elect another lying republican ( John McBush) and give them four more years to finish the the job. By 2012 a lying republican couldn't get elected for anything. Of course by then it probably wouldn't matter.

I actually agree with most of the letter, and some of the responses. But I have to take issue with some of them.

"In the last two years, Obama has proved to have the most liberal voting record of anyone, according to The National Journal."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2004/0830nj_liberalratings.htm

In 2004, the National Journal ranked John Kerry as the most liberal senator, and Edwards the 4th most liberal. Why? Because they were on the election campaign and had to miss a bunch of votes.

The National Journal even criticized its own rankings.

"But there was an asterisk. As with other lawmakers who were running for president, Kerry missed a lot of votes in 2003 -- 37 of the 62 that were being used in the vote ratings. He didn't vote often enough to merit scores in the social-policy and foreign-affairs categories. (Under our system, a member has to participate in at least half the votes in a category to receive a score in that category.) He did cast enough votes (19 of 32) in the economic category to get a rating. On those votes, Kerry took the "liberal" position every time."

The same problem is with Obama and Hillary today. The National Journal ranked them far left of where they actually are. Ranking when they are not campaigning can be trusted; these place Obama around 15 and Hillary around 8 most liberal.

"McCain or Clinton attempt to straighten out Bush’s mess."

I agree that Clinton should be the one to get the nomination. She has more experience, is more liberal and is able to gain independents, conservatives and liberals. She has a larger (and much more electable) coalition than the "uniter."

However, let McBush clean up Bush's messes? His policies are almost exactly the same as Bush's! He is a foreign policy hawk that hates anything near diplomacy, he wants to use failed economic laizze-faire rules, he knows that he is an idiot when it comes to economic/social matters, but where he thinks he shines, he cannot even tell the difference between Sunni and Shi'ite! McCain = McSame

Slaan, I don't believe that Clinton should get the nomination. As a matter of fact, I don't think that Clinton or McCain are capable of righting this ship. I said that Obama should step out, because the job is not worth the grief that he's putting his family through. The other day, Obama had to tell the GOP to lay off his wife.

For people who aren't keeping up, Obama said, to paraphrase - Hey GOP, lay off playing an unedited recording of a complete sentence my wife said when acting as my proxy on the campaign trail. No fair, guys, because she clarified it later and we deserve a do-over -
The ad: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-16-michelle-obama_N.htm
And Obama:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=4881883&page=1

You can't unring a bell. Or, I suppose, a Michelle.

And Conundrum was exactly right in writing "the grief that he's putting his family through" The Obamas are not new to politics, and I'm sure Barack and Michelle understand that the moment he placed her in his stead he opened her to criticism.

From the GOP ad that wasn't pre-approved by Obama's campaign:
"I'm proud of my country because of the freedom of religion, so if my pastor goes on a wild political tirade I can just walk out"

And you've got to admit, that's pretty funny.

Roger

Does anyone else remember how Dan Quayle was treated? Don't try to tell me that we conservatives are the only people who get irritated and mean and critical sometimes. Remember the debate with Lloyd Bentsen? Remember the media talking like Quayle was the world's biggest dope (next to Reagan, also considered an idiot by the elite) simply for misspelling a word? Anyone on this blog ever had a typo? I have.

Dan Quayle also had a law degree. Why does a law degree make Obama smart but not Quayle?

More importantly, why does NOT having a law degree make voters in Kentucky or anywhere else stupid? Do you all know how to mine your own coal? Drive a semi? Rebuild a transmission? Maybe these people are smart enough to see through the polished exterior and wonder if Obama really loves this country like they do and will defend this country like they would.

Mama - Dan Quale was inept, King George I has even stated Quale was his biggest political mistake. No one made Dan the way he was they just pointed it out. As for a law degree you seem to regard that very highly as well you should. It takes a lot of work to earn a law degree as Senator Obama did, Dan's daddy helped with grants to indiana U. I just had a typo pointed out for me by one of your fellow travelers.

oh - does the "boilermaker" mean you are a drunk or a steel worker?

"More importantly, why does NOT having a law degree make voters in Kentucky or anywhere else stupid? Do you all know how to mine your own coal? Drive a semi? Rebuild a transmission? Maybe these people are smart enough to see through the polished exterior and wonder if Obama really loves this country like they do and will defend this country like they would." I agree with you. The voters of Kentucky did focus on Obama's exterior. I think that they were turned off by his overabundance of melanin.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-whites-obama-080520,0,7363123.story

Not to repeat what yellow Dog said, but
facts are facts.

Quayle was a fratboy who was given the world on a platter by his wealthy family. He did not earn his station in life.

Obama's path has been an Horatio Alger story from the git go! Dan Quayle couldn't have overcome any of the obstacles that Obama has.....of course he could have had "Deddy" take care of things for him though.

To hold Quayle up to Obama is laughable. Bush #1 had to put someone on the ticket that did not 'outshine' him, and he definitely succeeded. Old joke went that if Bush died, the secret service was instructed to shoot Quayle.

yellowdog--the boilermaker is strictly a reference to my alma mater. I am certainly not a drunk, since I had to watch my own father drink himself to death. No judgment on those of you who have a little wine with dinner, but I personally don't ever wish under any circumstances to be associated with alcohol. I know you didn't know that, but now you do. You may call me any expletives you wish, call me stupid, call me bitter, but please do not ever suggest I may be a drunk again--it makes me very, very sad.

The responses to Quayle's name serve to illustrate that Obama is not unique in having people criticize him. I have never criticized Obama because of his father--he did not choose his father's religion, profession, or appearance, nor does anyone else choose to have a rich father or a father of any particular political stripe. I am more concerned about voluntary associations people make as adults.

For example, do their friends think America deserves to be terrorized? Do they believe government should control access to health care? Do they believe children should be raised by educational professionals and social workers instead of parents? Do they believe people might just possibly vote for a man or woman for reasons other than racism or sexism or ignorance?

Mamaboilermaker, there doesn't have to be any other reason. Racism is well documented in the 53 states (not counting Alaska and Hawaii) that border Kentucky, and the people there are obviously voting solely against a skin color and not against inexperience, flawed ideology, or a poor grasp of the basic geography of the state he has represented since '97. C'mon, he's been a junior senator for five whole years and he's got a background in community activism. Heck, he has even _voted_ as a U.S. senator before. What other reason could there be to reject him as a viable candidate beside color? And, if you disagree, guess what you are?

Roger

Mamaboilermaker,
You might want to consider the word's of John McCain's Political Pastor, John Hagee:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/hagee/

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/23/hagee-katrina-mccain/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802280018

Yep, seems that John McCain gets a free ride on his "Double Talk" Express. What I really love is when the far righties jump up and down about Wright, whose words were denounced by Obama, but they are not the least bit concerned that McCain offers little rebuke to his own Pastor, JOHN HAGEE.
I use 'Pastor' loosely here, as McCain switched denominations back when it became apparent that the 'evangelicals' had taken over the GOP.
Mama, your words are taken, but just realize your knife cuts both ways.

Of course, my questions apply to McCain as well as Obama and Clinton. I'd rather vote for my daughter's cat than for John McCain, but the cat's not yet old enough to run for president.