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So if Liddy won't support infanticide, (reproductive rights) then at least she should support private property confiscation by the government (SCHIP) to support the offspring of those incapable of controlling their hyper-libido?

"Sen. Dole is not fighting for North Carolina women or their families."

Well, if you don't have someone in DC "fighting" for you, (ie: squabbling over the stolen property of others in order to redistribute a portion of it to you) then hope and equality will remain forever out of reach?

...nauseating .

Great LTE Virginia,

It's time we get a Sentator that actually does something for North Carolina, and cares about us.

Neo, the only nauseating thing are your posts. you continue to bash anyone and anything that does not fit your narrow viewpoint of how the world should be.

I'll pay Virginia Gaylor 23 cents an hour more to shut up . . .

got your panites all in a bunch over politics now do ya Virgina . . . I'm getting a clear visual of that girl in the Planters Peanut commercial . . . uhggg

23 cents 23 cents 23 cents 23 cents B&M

Ms. Gaylor,

Repeating the B.S. rhetoric of "wymen's" groups concerning the wage gap myth is just more fuel to the fire of man-hating. Dr. Warren Farrell, Dr. Marty Nemko, and Dr. Katherine K. Young all have studies on this, based upon US Census statistics. They actually take things into account such as hours worked, not just raw numbers. I suggest you do some real research before spouting your man-hate.

Further, the real supporters of women's rights, like Susan B. Anthony were opposed to abortion. I guess you think Susan B. Anthony didn't support equal rights? Frankly, I do believe abortion should be legal in cases where the mother's health is in jeopardy or where a rape has occurred. That said, I'm actually surprised that you didn't mention the B.S. 1 in 4 rape stat that's off by a factor of 10, according to statistics from the FBI.

There's one heck of a difference in equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. Perhaps it time you learned the difference.

So enabling women to kill their own chidren is equal to "fighting for women and their families"?? Wrong! We "fight for our families" by caring for our children and our elderly, educating our children, working to hold our marriages together, going to work every day to feed our families and house them. If the government will stay out of my way, I can do all those things--because if I don't no government program will save my family.
Fighting for my family would mean taking a bullet for one of my chidren or saving them from a burning house--not paying some "doctor" to tear them into little tiny pieces with a high-powered vacuum cleaner!

I don't need to kill to be a woman. Burn my bra--sure, that could be kind of fun--maybe even toast some marshmallows and make s'mores, as long as there's a fire going. Kill my child? I don't think so.

mamaboilermaker - I'm glad that you have never needed to terminate a pregnancy. It's a very difficult decision to make. There is no need to demonize those who make different decisions from yours. And of course I have to say this because ignorance still abounds: a bunch of tissue is not a child. The right to abortion is still a very important women's rights issue, whether you think it's "right" or not. Just because you do not need abortion doesn't mean that many other women don't. Fight for the rights of ALL women, not just the rights YOU personally want. P.S. bra burning never happened.

Bishop - Ms. Gaylor never spelled women "wymen" did she? In fact, your spelling of it doesn't even make sense. Nice try, better luck next time. Why is abortion ok if a woman has been raped but not if she chooses to have sex? I've never understood that viewpoint. How is advocating for women's rights "man-hating?" Are people who advocate for African American rights "white-hating?" Should straight white middle to upper class men be the only ones with rights?

Thanks for clearly pointing out Sen. Dole's real stance on women's rights. She is many things, but a champion for women and families are not among them.

"reproductive rights"

That's a nice way to put something as disgusting as abortion, isn't it.

"I'm glad that you have never needed to terminate a pregnancy. " How many people really NEED to "terminate a pregnancy". Another nice way of phrasing the intentional murder of innocent life. Most pregnancy's terminate themselves if there are real problems with the infant. In very rare cases, abortion is recommended for the health of the mother. That makes sense and I do believe noone should be required to die in order to have a child.

I think most people feel women should have "reproductive rights" or the right to reproduce. The only time I'd like to limit those rights is if they can't afford to feed the children they are going to bring into the world.

I've always been opposed to abortion as a form of birth control for that purpose, though. Use something a little more proactive like a condom, a vasectomy, or other form of birth control that prevents a pregancy, not "terminates" it.

I actually agree with just about everything else in this letter. It's just funny you'd put equal rights together with abortion. Abortion gives women a right to kill a future baby. It strips a child's right to live and completely forgoes a man's right to protect his child.

Maybe abortion is a difficut decision because deep down inside, most women know it is wrong. I have watched numerous friends struggle as they look at their living children and mourn the child they "terminated." There is forgiveness and healing after abortion, but there are also scars. Maybe Senator Dole understands that unlimited abortion on demand and without apoogy (which is the NOW position as I understand it) is nobody's right.

Preserving the mother's life, of course! Preserving the mother's convenience--grow up. Life is often inconvenient and difficult, but that doesn't justify killing somebody who didn't ask to be conceived. At least give the child a life--others are waiting in ine to give the child a home!

One more thing--I don't demonize women who are now living with the consequences of abortion. If there are demons involved, it woud be those who deceive these women by making "the procedure" sound like getting a facial or a manicure. It would be the doctors who rake in the money. It woud be the men who drive underage girls to clinics to get rid of the evidence of their statutory rape. It would be the boys who think their only fatherly duty is to come up with the cash for "the procedure."

PS I really do have some bras that ought to be burned--like the kind with the underwire that is always poking out.

No one advocates abortion as a "form of birth control." Pro-choice people strongly advocate for comprehensive sex education in public schools so that people know how to protect themselves from pregnancy in the first place. They also advocate for the availability and affordability of birth control. No one WANTS abortions to happen, but sometimes it is necessary. Sometimes birth control fails even when you take all the precautions.

Abortion may have been wrong for you, but it is the right decision for many women. Of course it's difficult and it may be a decision that stays with a woman for the rest of her life, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right choice at the time.

I agree with your second comment. If a woman chooses abortion, it should be a well-informed choice that was made by her and her doctor. Abortion clinics strive to make this the case for every woman who chooses abortion. If there is even the slightest suspicion that someone is pressuring her to have an abortion, they will not do the procedure.

P.S. True, true! There are some without underwire these days though.

Areas where liberal and conservative women agree:

1. There are few things worse than a bra that doesn't fit.

2. Older men who have sex with underage girls and then offer to take them for an abortion are scum.

3. Men and women of all skin colors and all religions with exactly the same job experience, job performance and education should receive the same pay at the same company for the same job.

Can we agree?

Totally! Except I would say that generally older men who have sex with underage girls are scum whether or not an abortion is involved. eeek!

I can agree with those 3 things for sure!

"Totally! Except I would say that generally older men who have sex with underage girls are scum whether or not an abortion is involved. eeek!"

I suppose the same could be said for the horde of female teachers that have taken advantage of young boys in the same way.

Yes, Bishop, teacher-predators are scum. The only difference is boys don't get pregnant. That doesn't mitigate the crime, though.

"Yes, Bishop, teacher-predators are scum. The only difference is boys don't get pregnant. That doesn't mitigate the crime, though."

Boys may not get pregnant. However, even though they remain victims in the crimes like I mentioned, they still get sued for child support by the sexual predators who abused them. That's just not right.

Are you kidding me? I thought nothing surprised me any more, but the thought of a student having to pay child support to a teacher is just sickening! Has this actually happened? In what state? Please tell me the predator did not prevail!

What a twisted, upside-down world we inhabit.

"I suppose the same could be said for the horde of female teachers that have taken advantage of young boys in the same way."

Just reported from Alamance County today, eeek!!

http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080605/NRSTAFF/600225404/-1/NEWS

Scary mugshot eh?

Amy, I don't remember you posting previously on the blog however I commend your civil comments. We've had many, many previous letters on the subject. Usually those who are pro-choice will shout down those who are pro-life, particularly men. "Who the hell do you think you are oppressing women?" is a typical response.

Personally I think abortion is murder, however I'm not going to protest abortion clinics and attempt to prevent women from entering. They will have to make their own decisions and deal with God in the end. That's their business, not mine, but I do believe life begins at conception. Whenever I look into my son's brown eyes and my daughter's blue eyes I shudder with the thought that their lives may not have existed had they been aborted.

As for Dole, I'm a conserative but I'll ruffle some feathers here. She has been in office for nearly a full term but I cannot remember any press about her visiting constituents, she has never responded to any of my letters or emails. Yet now I'm getting "re-elect" Dole emails a few times a week even though I never signed up for them. She has been an absent senator all of these years and I'm not impressed.

Good civil conversation. Thanks Amy.

MamaB and Earnestine, you two are priceless!! I'll take raking steel blades over my face every morning versus wearing uncomfortable bras!!

"Are you kidding me? I thought nothing surprised me any more, but the thought of a student having to pay child support to a teacher is just sickening! Has this actually happened? In what state? Please tell me the predator did not prevail!"

Unfortunately, due to our "chivalry justice" system many of these women do prevail with their lawsuits. Most even get reduced sentences, and some even walk, scott-free with nothing on their record at all.

In California and Kansas, minor boys statutorily raped by adult women must pay child support to the criminals who raped him. In one case, the boy was drugged before sex.

It's not just the young either. The elderly can also become targets of what I like to call "rape for fun and profit." A disabled 85-year-old man, was sexually assaulted by his housekeeper. Out of his awarded damages for the assault, he was ordered to pay her child support, and his pension was garnished. He was denied access to the child.

It's amazing how it's on the front-page if a man does something disgusting, but it's kept nice and neatly under wraps when it's a female predator.

Those women should lose all parental rights, and, assuming the boy's parents don't wish to adopt the baby, he/she should be adopted into a loving home where no sick sexual predator mother can ever visit.

I think I remember some news story a few years back where a male rapist sued for visitation rights to "his" child. I find that equally sick. Who are the attorneys who help these rapists? Provide them with their right to a fair trial, yes. Help them with civil lawsuits against their victims? No attorney with an ounce of decency should do that.

The purpose of child support laws is not to penalize one parent or enrich the other. The purpose is to provide the child with a solid financial lifestyle. However, providing for the child also, necessarily means that the custodial parent is also being provided for. When a non-custodial parent pays child support, that money is theoretically used to help ensure a higher standard of living for the child than the child would have had without it. The custodial parent will be a beneficiary as well, but not the intended recipient.

The justice system does not seek to punish or deprive a child based upon the sins of the mother. All parents have an obligation to provide for a biological child, unless that parent surrenders their parental rights. Because the child was conceived out of a rape trick or whatnot does not make the child any less deserving of parental support. It is certainly a sad situation, and true justice would be hard to fathom, but child support is for the kid, who is completely innocent.

Thanks, Dan! I'm not saying we all have to agree that abortion is not murder. That's not even the issue to me. That is something that is up to the individual, as I believe the right to choose abortion should be. :)

My contention precisely, Amy. None of us have the right to make such decisions for any other competent adult. And I think to call a woman who elects to terminate a pregnancy a murderer is beyond judgmental; it is hypocritical.

I have not read any post in which anyone has asked "Who the hell do you think you are oppressing women?", Dan. So please tell me how this could be a "typical" response. While I have said many time (and will likely say many more times) you, me, no other man or woman, has the legal, moral or God-given right to make decisions for another regarding this issue, I have never made such a crass statement. Nor have I ever read it in this blog.

"Abortion gives women a right to kill a future baby. It strips a child's right to live and completely forgoes a man's right to protect his child."

If an embryo is terminated before it becomes more than a clump of cells separating, dividing and multiplying, ie, a baby (future baby), how does a "child's right" or a "man's right to protect his child" come into play, Earnestine? I usually agree with your POV but you are talking potential rather than actual in the statement above. Should the laws of our land be based on potential or actual? Should I or anyone else be convicted because we have the potential to kill a living human being? Or should the law wait until a crime has happened before a person is charged?

Thank you, justsomedude, for bringing facts and enlightenment into this discussion, not just opinion. Unfortunately we do not live in that perfect world where all child support is spent only for the betterment of the child's life. As you pointed out though, it is not the fault of the child.

I agree that children deserve to be supported, and certainly a rapist should have to provide for any child conceived during a crime. I simply don't believe it is just to make the victim, whether boy, girl, or elderly man, pay. That is why I suggest terminating all parental rights of a rapist/molester (except the right to pay child support) immediately upon conviction. This frees the child to be adopted and insures the child is supported by the adoptive family. If the VICTIM chooses to keep the child then the convicted criminal should pay restitution in the form of child support. In fact, let's make the criminal pay part of the adoption expenses of the family that raises the child.

I think my plan takes care of the baby and the victim.