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This sounds suspiciously like our little hyper-ADD sufferer Canadian wannabee buddy, THE LIBERAL CANADIAN...

This is the most tasteless letter to editor I have ever read. It contains no FACTS. I just called a republican ad man, I Quote, I have not wrote any ads for anyone this year. So how this guy could have this information is beyond me. Must be he just made it up. Not surprising however is the title, as a conservative I take great offense, that I would be called a slime machine by the NR. I think the NR owes all of us a conservatives a apology on the front page tomorrow, I doubt they we will see it. Could Graham, are the NR show any facts that back up this claim?

Neo, I just read the print version letter whilst waiting for my computer to boot up. When I read this letter I thought the same thing, this language is EXACTLY how Demon Deacon posts in the blog. 'Slime machine', 'lap dog', 'fear fear fear' 'Giddy' and all the exclamation points.

The only thing missing is the 'LOL' a few dozen times but I bet the N&R edited that out.

"....but she can’t pull the wool over this state twice."

Don't bet the farm on that, John. Jesse Helms did it, not only twice, but for years. More recent proof that NC voters will vote party over person is electing Bush in 2004. I fully expect Dole to win simply because she is affiliated with the repub party.

John Graham: "The GOP slime machine is cranked up . . . to tell us how Sen. Kay Hagan will . . . blast open our southern border and let gay people marry!"

The astonishing stylistic similarities of John Graham and TLC aside, I would politely suggest that Kay Hagan will indeed be more accommodating towards illegal immigration, taking away guns and gay marriage than Senator Dole.

That is reality.

As a Democratic Party member of the Democratic Party-controlled North Carolina legislature, which --- in the News & Record's own words --- made North Carolina a "mecca" for illegal immigration, what did Hagan do to distance herself from the Democratic Party's standard operating mode as regards illegal immigration?

Hagan certainly appears to embrace "comprehensive immigration reform," aka amnesty-path-to-citizenship for illegal aliens:

Democrat Kay Hagan: “It’s [immigration's] a patchwork system. We need comprehensive immigration reform.” (“Dole, Hagan spar over ad on immigration,” Jim Morrill, Charlotte Observer, May 29, 2008)

Now as to Hagan's amenability to gay marriage or taking away gun rights, etc., Congress increasingly defers to the (unelectable and therefore unaccountable) federal courts to decide radioactive social issue.

Senators and representatives know is much safer for them to dodge this issues and let the courts decide them.

As Hagan would presumably be more inclined to support a Democratic Party presidential nominee's certain-to-be liberal appointees to the Court than would Dole, it is no exaggeration to argue that gun rights, the sanctity of traditional marriage and border security would be more at risk with Hagan than with Dole.

John Graham's colorful language aside, that is reality.

LOL! LOL! LOL!

I say we all make up and spread lies about John Graham. I heard he listens to NRP, isn't patriotic, and hasn't paid his NRA dues for several years. In addition, he beats his gay dog and has low charitable giving, expecting the rich to pay for everything. What a pitiful excuse for a letter writer!

This is usually were I'd make some joke about Dole really living in Kansas, but, instead I investigated the idea that John Graham is TLC.

The guy's written a couple letters and TLC/DD does seem to post more on them, but, outside of that, I didn't really come to any conclusions.

However,I did read a 170 post behemoth from November 06 about Rush Limbaugh and Michael J. Fox. It's good to know that you people were pretty screwy then too.

170 posts, I think that is our record. That was back in the days when a LTE would stay on screen more than 24 hours and back in the day where Demon Deacon used the name Demon Deacon.

"Hagan certainly appears to embrace "comprehensive immigration reform," aka amnesty-path-to-citizenship for illegal aliens"

Dole was for it also until she was against it. Some years ago, possibly 2-3, I emailed Dole several times encouraging her to get on top of NC's illegal problem if she wanted to be re-elected. At that time she was in favor of amnesty for all the illegals. In her form response she expressed the impossibility of rounding all of them up and sending them back. To deny them basic necessities (all the freebies we give them) would be inhumane, she stated. Amnesty would be the most expedient and cheapest way to handle this problem iho. She did not become a proponent for denying amnesty until the citizens in NC became hostile AND verbal before the vote last year. (Was it only last year?)

She is in no way any better for NC than Hagen and at least Hagen DOES live in NC.

Biting Dog: If in fact the republican ad man actually said “I have not wrote any ads for anyone this year” .. it’s probably because his grammar is so bad he cannot get a job as a writer.

For shame, Yvonne:

"She [Dole] did not become a proponent for denying amnesty until the citizens in NC became hostile AND verbal before the vote last year. (Was it only last year?)"

Yvonne, you are either a little bit ignorant or a little bit dishonest. I choose to believe what you've said is based on simple ignorance rather than deception.

I've followed Dole's record on immigration for years and called her office often and gotten many letters, as did you.

It's true that three or four years ago when Bush first pushed hard with "comprehensive"immigration reform, Dole did not set about trying to kill it as she did recently. She (her staff) said she was waiting to see what came out of the process. But there was never any indication (at least in the years I've followed her, four or five or so) that she would vote for amnesty "for all illegals".

Take a look at her long term Immigration Report compiled by NumbersUSA affiliate, Americans for Better Immigration indicates:
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=NC&VIPID=1078

CAREER - A

RECENT - A

It doesn't get any better than that.

Now I hope you will apologize for what you have written OR submit links proving that "At that time she was in favor of amnesty for all the illegals."

Surely, using a Google search, you can prove that with little trouble. It's something the pro-amnesty liberal media would have jumped all over. That type of thing made SC senator Lindsey Graham a news media hero. Finally a
Republican senator they could admire. If you can find anywhere that Dole took that path, you will be vindicated.

But I think you know that you cannot, because no such evidence exists.

"It's true that three or four years ago when Bush first pushed hard with "comprehensive"immigration reform, Dole did not set about trying to kill it .. "

What was her grade then, Tom?

Tom,

I will admit to being "a little bit ignorant " of many things, even a whole lot ignorant about many things, but I know how to read and comprehend. The automatic form responses via email stated Dole's position as being in favor of amnesty along with the tripe I have already stated. This came to me within the last few years. My recollection of the time evades me but her stance does not.

"It's true that three or four years ago when Bush first pushed hard with "comprehensive"immigration reform, Dole did not set about trying to kill it as she did recently."

It is equally true that she was for amnesty before she was against it, according to the form emails I received. That is one of the reasons I was totally surprised when she voted against it.

I have neither the time nor inclination to Google anything to prove what I have said in my previous post and this one. If you chose to cast doubt on my character or my question my intelligence or integrity, that is your choice and really does not have a bearing on my life one way or the other. I participate in this forum to share my experiences and read of the experiences of others. If you wish to deny me my experiences, there is little I can do about it.

JDR: "It's true that three or four years ago when Bush first pushed hard with "comprehensive"immigration reform, Dole did not set about trying to kill it .. What was her grade then, Tom?"

A-. At worst, B+.

Bear in mind the Senate average is held at "C".

I've been checking the immigration voting records of my two senators using NumbersUSA and its affiliate's grading system, Americans or Better Immigration, for four or five years. Dole was always WELL above the Senate average.

Yvonne,

People misremember or misinterpret communications. That's why it pays to ask people to verify extreme statements such yours:

"She [Dole] did not become a proponent for denying amnesty until the citizens in NC became hostile AND verbal before the vote last year. (Was it only last year?)"

AND:

"Some years ago, possibly 2-3, I emailed Dole several times encouraging her to get on top of NC's illegal problem . . . At that time she was in favor of amnesty for all the illegals."

You cannot verify those extreme statements --- because there is no evidence in support of them. I was getting letters from Dole all that time as well and would certainly remember a pro-amnesty letter.

Moreover, you will certainly find no support in any news archive of that time period. You MIGHT find something like, Senator Dole is waiting to see what comes out of committee or some such back three or four years ago.

Senator Burr, the early McCain supporter, was always --- ALWAYS --- the senator to worry about on amnesty. Dole was not. Certainly not in the time period you suggest.

Dole's opponent, Kay Hagan, however, made this statement --- "We need comprehensive immigration reform” --- very recently.

We all know what "comprehensive immigration reform" is code for: amnesty for illegal aliens. Maybe Hagan is too naive about the issue to even understand that. That's the most favorable interpretation I can make of it.

Rockhead, this comes from a jackass like you , that posted prostitution was legal in Vegas. He a shame you are not as smart as you think you. I get so sick and tried of your war stories, when you have no idea what our brave troops go through. Why do you not stick your finger in your mouth and see if you can blow out a set, and go enlist.