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voodoo economics....hmm.

Well, the crystal ball gazing here is certainly interesting, but since it's all in the future, we really can't say. Maybe Palin will cause the death of all Alaskan fish, or maybe not. Seems slightly hysterical to me, but, hey, you make the call.

In reference to past events, however, this letter lapses into the usual sort of liberal blunder--namely, repeating something that somebody said somewhere.

Factcheck.org on the "62% cut" in the special needs budget:

No Cut for "Special Needs" Kids

It's not true, as widely reported in mass e-mails, Web postings and at least one mainstream news source, that Palin slashed the special education budget in Alaska by 62 percent. CNN's Soledad O'Brien made the claim on Sept. 4 in an interview with Nicolle Wallace, a senior adviser to the McCain campaign:

O'Brien, Sept. 4: One are that has gotten certainly people sending to me a lot of e-mails is the question about as governor what she did with the special needs budget, which I'm sure you're aware, she cut significantly, 62 percent I think is the number from when she came into office. As a woman who is now a mother to a special needs child, and I think she actually has a nephew which is autistic as well. How much of a problem is this going to be as she tries to navigate both sides of that issue?

Such a move might have made Palin look heartless or hypocritical in view of her convention-speech pledge to be an advocate for special needs children and their families. But in fact, she increased special needs funding so dramatically that a representative of local school boards described the jump as "historic."

According to an April 2008 article in Education Week, Palin signed legislation in March 2008 that would increase public school funding considerably, including special needs funding. It would increase spending on what Alaska calls "intensive needs" students (students with high-cost special requirements) from $26,900 per student in 2008 to $73,840 per student in 2011. That almost triples the per-student spending in three fiscal years. Palin's original proposal, according to the Anchorage Daily News, would have increased funds slightly more, giving intensive needs students a $77,740 allotment by 2011.

Education Week: A second part of the measure raises spending for students with special needs to $73,840 in fiscal 2011, from the current $26,900 per student in fiscal 2008, according to the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development.

Unlike many other states, Alaska has relatively flush budget coffers, thanks to a rise in oil and gas revenues. Funding for schools will remain fairly level next year, however. Overall per-pupil funding across the state will rise by $100, to $5,480, in fiscal 2009. ...

Carl Rose, the executive director of the Association of Alaska School Boards, praised the changes in funding for rural schools and students with special needs as a "historic event," and said the finance overhaul would bring more stability to district budgets.

According to Eddy Jeans at the Alaska Department of Education and Early Development, funding for special needs and intensive needs students has increased every year since Palin entered office, from a total of $203 million in 2006 to a projected $276 million in 2009.

Those who claim that Palin cut special needs funding by 62 percent are looking in the wrong place and misinterpreting what they find there. They point to an apparent drop in the Department of Education and Early Development budget for special schools. But the special schools budget, despite the similar name, isn't the special needs budget. "I don’t even consider the special schools component [part of] our special needs funding," Jeans told FactCheck.org. "The special needs funding is provided through our public school funding formula. The special schools is simply a budget component where we have funding set aside for special projects," such as the Alaska School for the Deaf and the Alaska Military Youth Academy. A different budget component, the Foundation Program, governs special needs programs in the public school system.

And in any case, the decrease in funding for special schools is illusory. Palin moved the Alaska Military Youth Academy's ChalleNGe program, a residential military school program that teaches job and life skills to students under 20, out of the budget line for "special schools" and into its own line. This resulted in an apparent drop of more than $5 million in the special schools budget with no actual decrease in funding for the programs.

Brain, please stop confusing these people that are getting their facts from places like media matters. With a 90% approval rating in Alaska , and a national approval rating of 58%, you would think that one would see a least on pro Palin letter.
Stephen, I posted a blog before Gustav, that if one drop of oil was spilled in the gulf during the hurricane it would be front page news! Stephen, and the liberal press, make it sound, as we have a major oil spill, every day. These things cost the oil companies mega dollars when they happen. Stephen, did you know the GOOD OLE BOYS in Raleigh, misdirected 748 million dollars, that was school money, to their special needs. So your education comment is BS. If you cared about eduction your letter would be about this!

A vote for Palin will result in catastrophic oil spills, globull warming on a scale never witnessed before, and the end of the line for all of Alaska's fish.

Anyone who can read this and keep a straight face has a serious mental disorder.

These 'Palin is the Devil' letters are getting more bizarre by the day. They provide a good barometer to keep abreast of the meltdown currently underway amongst the liberals.

What's next...Palin replaced the Alaska state seal with the pentagram?

Fun to watch.

Stephen & Co. : Keep up the attacks on Palin, it's working beautifully. McCain is ahead of Obama in most recent polls.

Notice this letter doesn't mention McCain? Libs don't know what to make of Palin, she is so alien to her, that the natural inclination is to attack her.

While they spend their doing this they leave McCain alone and ignore their own candidate.

Give credit to the writer for not focusing on a pregnant teen.

Quite an imaginative doom and gloomer you are Stephen. Elect Palin and there will be massive oil spills and dead fish everywhere. Thanks for a new spin.

correction - "alien to them"

Please don't worry about the Alaskan fish, Stephen. They live much better in cold water than they do in ice.

This is one of the better Palin hater letters I've read. As mentioned in another thread, the opposition is reacting to her like she's Dick Cheney in a dress.

It is interesting to see how all the press seems to be about Palin which leaves McCain untouched. Good move. As Obama said, The Republicans run a great campaign just can't run the country. Of course you have to win first.

Are you saying, Brian, that instead of being a hypocrite on the special needs issue, she is a flaming LIEbural?

"Palin signed legislation in March 2008 that would increase public school funding considerably, including special needs funding ... from $26,900 per student in 2008 to $73,840 ... "??

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"While they spend their doing this they leave McCain alone and ignore their own candidate."

Palin is doing her job well: Inspiring folks to vote Republican on Moral grounds. interesting to note we are no longer being asked vote Republican on financial grounds - their bread-and-butter issue for well over a hundred years.

Got this morning, haven't checked the facts yet. Will let the Palin supports disprove it.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6
> years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over
> 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City
> increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation
> (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a
> regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she
> promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they
> benefited residents.
>
> The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration
> weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed
> money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zer o debt, but left it
> with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage
> the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said
> she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a
> new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a
> multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of
> property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still
> in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The
> sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge
> money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also
> supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in
> 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
>
> While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office
> redecorated more than once.
>
> These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

"While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once."

OMG! That does it. I bet she used Elvis and Moose Velvets too. She just lost my vote!

"...haven't checked the facts yet. Will let the Palin supports disprove it"

If you are going to post such information wouldn't YOU want to check the facts prior Carol?

"It is interesting to see how all the press seems to be about Palin which leaves McCain untouched."

Don't blame McCain (except for choosing Palin).

The liberal msm is busy in Wasilla trying to dig up any dirt possible on Gov. Palin in an attempt to destroy her Carol. Her daughter's pregnancy was on the front page of the NYT three times. Her husband got a DUI 20 something years ago. Her baby is actually her daughter's baby. Can't blame McCain for the actions of the msm.

Now we learn that her office was redecorated!!!
That will likely make the front page of the NYT too.

The media are so deep in the tank for Obama that even MSNBC saw the ratings on the wall and tanked the "fair and balanced" Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as "political commentators" covering the election.

This is a beautiful thing to watch.

BTW, the Palin witch hunt isn't helping Obama/Biden in the polls:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/110137/McCain-Now-Winning-Majority-Independents.aspx

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Palin:

Asks children to pray for a pipeline

Opposes sex education.
(How's that working out for her..?)

Not only, believes in The Rapture, a word not found anywhere in the bible, but believes that Alaska will be the staging grounds for it.

Has a "Pray the Gay Away" service at her church

Has a husband who was a member of the Secessionist Party. What about HIS patriotism?

Believes Creationism should be taught in schools

Folks, that's just tip of the neanderthal iceberg we call Sarah Palin. Too radical for America. Too scary for Vice President.

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My good friend, Little Danny, enjoy your 'bounce' as it brought McCain back up to Pre conventions level. You really need to turn off your Steve Doocey show and take a look outside your bubble. LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsKiA3Myyw

This one is beautiful...like a right wing ballet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feature=related

Or this 'smoking gun'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcdLO3jKkPo&feature=related

Or talk about an Alzheimer's moment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfealLrWLIY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfApFQnumOU&feature=related

Too old to remember. Too old to lead. Too old for America.

Carol says: "Got this morning, haven't checked the facts yet. Will let the Palin supports disprove it."
Nice left handed strategy Carol. You wouldn't want to take on any personal responsibility would you? That would be way too far to the right.

JDR, my only allegiance is to The Truth. I consider myself a Community Organizer for Truth.

Dan, I don't see how you can fault Carol for just passing along unsubstantiated claims. That's holding her to a higher standard than the mainstream press, and at least she indicates that she's just passing it along. I suspect that by now she has received a job offer from some mainline newspaper.

I was going to commend J.D.R. on one of the best words ever, but I'll be busy for the next little with my banks as I've just gotten an email and have apparently won some sort of world lottery in Zimbabwe.

Psst, I don't know if this is true you will have to check it yourself. I heard she painted her office blue, can you believe that? I also heard that she favors Ford over Chevy, oh God It is incomprehensible. Stephen yours is one of the most idiotic letters this paper has ever published, its no wonder they are sinking fast. The republicans do not have a monopoly on running great campaigns, remember the rajun cajun Carville? I do not believe Obama is the right choice for president, there is no substance to back up the rhetoric, his beliefs do not match my own it is that simple. Is McCain-Palin the perfect ticket? No, but warts and all they are better than Obama-Biden. Ya'll have a great day.

Carol, Factcheck blows the Kilkenny email out of he water. It's an unfounded smear letter sent via chain email.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

But hugh, but hugh, the link you provided doesn't refute the egregious allegation that Palin had her office redecorated!!

The Kilkenny email is legit. Factcheck points out a similarity, but acknowledges they erred. Look in the italicized bit under "Summary."

Snopes has a decent write up. Kilkenny was apparently even interviewed by a paper and said something about being surprised at all the forwarding but that she was pleased that people are hungry for info.

I'd argue they're more interested in dirt, but dirt is still technically info. And if you read the letter Ms. Kilkenny wrote (literally, it's there in black and white) that an incentive for writing the email was because Palin "hates" her. It seems unusual for a grown-up to think things like that, but oh well. Dirt's dirt. Info, sorry.

I learned when I posted a link to the Kilkenny email a few days ago that it seemed to be generally right about its accusations but inflamed just slightly by the writer's personal opinion of Palin.

What is funny and entertaining, Dan, is reading all your and other's defense of Palin when she is just another pretty face. You are almost rabid in your defense and attack with vengeance anyone who voices any disapproval of Palin.

It reminds me of your defense of Bush and the Iraqi war four years ago. You and others had some pretty nasty things to say about those of us who were telling the truth (Brian444) about Bush and his dirty dealings. Now, you are playing nasty again and always "one upping".

I know it bothers you for anyone to mention Palin's seventeen year old pregnant daughter. However, if she is mature enough to be having unprotected sex, she is fair game. My problem with this whole issue is not that she is pregnant, but the hypocrisy of some of you in regards to this fact.

I have grave concerns about a child raised to be so self-centered and selfish. Knowing that her behavior could negatively impact her mother's whole life and knowing it would make her mother look like a hypocrite, could she not have picked a better time to become pregnant? Don't you find it odd that she could not use protection to protect her family?

It seems to be a rebellious and revengeful act to me. Which makes me wonder why?

It reminds me of the Bush twins and their underage drinking. Had that been any democrat's children, you all would still be sitting in judgment of that. With you and others, it is always about "one-up-man-ship". Contrary to what B444 says, the truth only matters if it is complimentary to your party.

After the election of Bush in 2004, I share and understand Conundrum's concerns with regard to the American publics' ability to be manipulated and lead. What is truly distressing is that, even after the past eight years, some people have learned nothing. McCain has told everyone of you he plans to follow Bush's lead. Have you all had your blinders on so long you've forgotten they are there?

I have posted, since this blog was established, the truth about Bush. Now I'm telling you your obsession with Palin is a big mistake. And, no, B444, I am not reading my crystal ball, as you suggested when I made my prediction about Bush. I am people reading and listening to what is not said but rather what actions are being taken. Some people speak so loudly I can't hear what they are saying so I look below the surface.

I am not asking anyone to vote for Obama. I am not sure I will. But I ask you all to stop all this party yammering and my candidate is better than your candidate arguing (like school children).

BTW, if you think McCain picked Palin, I have some beachfront property in Iowa for ya.

FYI, the info passed on was from resident...I checked out her validity...maybe she is just out to get Sarah because she is jealous. She said some nice things about her...of course, I left these out...lol

Paragraph 2 suggests to me that she will support the oil companies, Paragraph 3 suggests she has the Bush/Cheney mentality.

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

I end this day saying that I am through discussing Sarah...I wish her happy moose hunting and happy grandmothering (the best job in the whole USA)

"You are almost rabid in your defense and attack with vengeance anyone who voices any disapproval of Palin. "

Please provide some proof of my rabidity and vengeance Yvonne. Methinks thou exaggerate a bit too much.

I don't know Gov. Palin, I saw her acceptance speech and have read a bit about her.

What I have posted of late is the mesmerizing effect she has on the attack dogs, and how this totally taken Obama (and McCain) out of the spotlight. It's an interesting phenomena.

Reread my 6:41 post please. Nothing defending her. With this specific letter I find it amusing that nutcases predict extinction of Alaska's fish if Palin were to become VP. It's hilarious!!

In my 8:21 post I commented about the msm looking under any rock in Wasilla looking for Palin dirt. Nothing defending her here either, just a fact.

I also posted how entertaining this is that Palin's husband's DUI, her daughter's pregnancy and other irrelevant stories have covered the front pages of the NYT and other rag media.

Mentioning her daughter's pregnancy bothers me for naught, again it's entertaining. Kinda hypocritical as well. As John Hammer mentioned, a sitting president has sex (of course it wasn't sex, wink, wink) in the Oval Office and lies about it. According to the media and liberals, sex is private business. But a VP (Republican) candidate's daughter has sex and it's on the front page of the NYT three times!!

To top it off, here you are worrying about the daughter not using protection.

"Now I'm telling you your obsession with Palin is a big mistake."

Usually you are a bit less melodramatic Yvonne. The Palin effect must have bitten you too.

I posted a link in the other Palin letter showing McCain is leading in the polls, including independents. The more the media attacks Palin for BS like this the more it will backfire. Her record is fair game but the juicy tabloid stuff ain't helping Obama, even he knows that. Keep it up.

For those of you keeping score at home, the Kilkenny doc is a legit letter that makes some incorrect claims, some correct ones spun against Palin, and a few hometown details. Because it's not utterly fabricated (as this letter is), It's worth reading alongside the factcheck.org doc, and it shows a fairly weak, partisan case against Palin.

For example,

"As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state."

HEAVEN FORFEND!! She increased taxes on the oil companies and sent the money back to the people? Why, it's perfectly scandalous!!

Yvonne, you'll be glad to know that I've mended my ways and will impartially communicate the Truth, however ugly it may be for the Republicans. So, to reiterate, Palin increased taxes on big oil and sent it to the people. It pains me to say it, but such is the life of a Community Organizer for Truth.

for those too quick to dismiss Carol's post .. and Kilkenny email aside:

Shortly after becoming mayor (1996), Palin took steps to “to find out who supports her” .. if that’s not shades of cronyism, I’ll eat a worm. Yea yea mayors may have the right to fire city employees for nearly any reason, including political ones .. but if Obama (or Biden) were found to have done something similar, ya'll’d be squealing like stuck pigs.

and Yes, Dan, ya'll’d is a word – I hear it every day.

http://www.mceades.com/graphics/palin_article1.jpg

She did cut property taxes and eliminate personal property and business inventory taxes .. BUT only because a 2% sales tax had taken effect a few years earlier (1992) and this new taxes built an infrastructure that turned Wasilla into a commercial hub – where these same tax revenues - now-booming at half a million dollars a year - enabled Palin to make the above (other) tax cuts. ... and she wasn't shrinking government. The cost of running the growing city rose from $3.9 million in fiscal 1996 to $5.8 million in fiscal 2002.

Environmental wackos will be happy to know she used some of those revenues to “put in bike paths and obtained funds for storm-water treatment to protect the area's many lakes”.

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8334949p-8231037c.html

She increased the above sales tax to build the Wasilla Multi-Use Sports Complex which costs the city's “only” a $125,000 a year subsidy.

She hired a lobbying firm to get $27 million in earmarks for Wasilla in her final four years in office, including:

Wasilla intermodal facility $1,000,000
Kids are People, Inc. for a transitional living program for homeless youth and an emergency shelter in Wasilla, Alaska $500,000
Life Quest Community Mental Health Center in Wasilla, Alaska $500,000
Girdwood to Wasilla, Alaska, commuter rail project $15,000,000
Wasilla Regional Dispatch Center in Alaska for technology and communications upgrades $1,000,000
Federal lands: Mat-Su Borough/Wasilla, Alaska $500,000
Bus and bus facilities: City of Wasilla bus facility $600,000
New starts: Wasilla, Alaska, alternative route project $2,500,000
Wasilla, Alaska water and sewer improvements $1,500,000
City of Wasilla, Alaska for a regional dispatch center $750,000
Wasilla Airport, AK $800,000
Wasilla Intermodal Facility $900,000
Mananuska-Susitna Borough for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla, Alaska $450,000
Wasilla, Alaska for water and sewer improvements $900,000

And that’s just Wasilla - $26.9 million in earmarks.

Palin is now criticizing Obama for his earmark spending - about $25 for every Illinois resident – while Alaska currently gets about $295 for every Alaska citizen.

http://www.taxpayer.net/search_by_tag.php?action=search_by_tag&tag=Sarah%20Palin

As Gov'ner, she put through a tax increase on oil company profits: “There were multiple attempts in the Legislature to reduce the 25 percent tax rate proposed by Palin, but by the time the bill passed through both houses, the 25 percent rate was firmly in place.”

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/111607/sta_20071116036.shtml

... and that airplane she “put on eBay” ?? … sold at a loss to a campaign contributor.
I’ll let someone else tackle the Bridge to NoWhere.

"HEAVEN FORFEND!! She increased taxes on the oil companies and sent the money back to the people? Why, it's perfectly scandalous!! "

uuuhhhh Brian .. that's exactly the same plan Obama has proposed and exactly the same plan [maybe you] and [definately] others have been ralinag about for weeks.

So how about [maybe you] and [definately] others ... tell us all about it.

So all this just pisses me off. It proves - in SPADES - that it doesn't matter what is said or done, only who is saying it and who is doing what.

""HEAVEN FORFEND!! She increased taxes on the oil companies and sent the money back to the people? Why, it's perfectly scandalous!! "

uuuhhhh Brian .. that's exactly the same plan Obama has proposed and exactly the same plan [maybe you] and [definately] others have been ralinag about for weeks."

JDR, In other words you just said Palin has more experience than Obama. Heh-Heh. :-)

"Usually you are a bit less melodramatic Yvonne. The Palin effect must have bitten you too."

Dan, It's been identified as PMS. Palin Madness Syndrome.

For those shouting "hypocrisy" from the rooftops, and making the charge that Alaska has a windfall profits tax. (just like Obama wants) This is not so. What Alaska has is a tax structure indexed to oil prices. What this does is address the profitability per barrel of oil.

By contrast, a windfall profits tax is a surcharge tax based upon a company's total profit. (we'll wait and see how much they rake in, then decide what amount is 'fair')

A good read on this here, but I'm doubtful it will help with the malady Hugh cites:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122057543526201877.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

JBG,

Under brian444's description:

"HEAVEN FORFEND!! She increased taxes on the oil companies and sent the money back to the people? Why, it's perfectly scandalous!! "

The Obama windfall profits tax falls under the curtain...an increase in taxes on oil companies with distribution back to the people. And, while the column you linked to states:

"Relative to the old system, Mrs. Palin's plan -- called 'Alaska's Clear and Equitable Share' (ACES) -- improves incentives for developing new resources."

This article:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html

says that it has discouraged exploration in Alaska. Specifically:

"Investment dollars are flowing instead to places that have a better return, like the massive deep-water projects offshore in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico, where ConocoPhillips said the government take equals less than 50 percent of the barrel."

The article also says this:

"The tax is set at its highest rate in Prudhoe Bay, where the state takes 25 percent of the net profit of a barrel when its price is at or below $52.

"The percentage then escalates as oil prices rise over that benchmark. Alaska gets about $49 of a $120 barrel, not counting other fees."

If that's not a windfall profits tax...what is?

"I’ll let someone else tackle the Bridge to NoWhere."

Welll. While running for Governor, she was insulted by the term, "Bridge to Nowhere." I guess calling a town in Alaska "Nowhere" just isn't cool when you wan those 50 votes.

Even though the bridge was scrapped, Alaska was still given the same amount of money. She took it. Her administration actually spent millions of those dollars to begin construction of the road that was to link to the bridge....a Road to a Non-Existent Bridge to Nowhere?

Then there's this:

"A press release issued by the governor on September 21, 2007 said she decided to cancel state work on the project because of rising cost estimates."

Nothing about squelching irresponsible spending and federal earmarks, just a "we don't have enough money."

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10112&sp=true

hugh said:

"JDR, In other words you just said Palin has more experience than Obama. Heh-Heh. :-)"

Maybe so.

My point was that that matters is who say's it, or as LC often states:

Republican = Good
Democrat = Bad

Jonniebgood:

According to the link I provided (your may be similar) ... the Tax Hike was amended at the request of the Oil Industry, which was balking at the original Palin Plan.

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/111607/sta_20071116036.shtml

That may be a reasonable compromise .. but if you accept that, it demonstrates those beating up Obama for his Windfall Tax are hollering prematurely .. because it's only a proposal that has not been through the grinder. At this point it looks a lot like Palin's original proposal; if it were ever completed, it might look like Palin's final bill.

It doesn't matter what is said or done, only who is saying it and who is doing what.

Dan,

You may limit yourself to the single thread you are posting in but clearly I wasn't. Note reference to several threads over several years. What I was saying is the same as some of the other bloggers have said. If you and other rabid defenders of the "party" would give one ounce of thought to a point of the opposing "party", it may change this blog into a real discussion forum rather than a place to duke it out with people who feel differently.

You label those who disagree with you with offensive terms like children on the playground and feel completely justified in your behavior. Example: BDS and PMS. I realize it is a way to negate and marginalize comments you disagree with and dismiss the poster's points. You did it to Carol when she posted her comment. Rather than dispute any of her post, you attack her.

All I asked for was a cessation of all the "oneupmanship", "my candidate is better than your candidate", useless party talking points and arguing.

Calling me melodramatic is the pot calling the kettle black. Go back and read some of your own posts. Besides, I prefer to call it "passionate".

"You did it to Carol when she posted her comment. Rather than dispute any of her post, you attack her."

Here is said attack:

"If you are going to post such information wouldn't YOU want to check the facts prior Carol?"

That is an attack?

"All I asked for was a cessation of all the "oneupmanship", "my candidate is better than your candidate", useless party talking points and arguing."

If you wish to be credible on the above statement Yvonne then shoot your arrows in more than one direction please. Otherwise your statement is a one way street. An example from this thread if I may:

"My good friend, Little Danny, enjoy your 'bounce' as it brought McCain back up to Pre conventions level. You really need to turn off your Steve Doocey show and take a look outside your bubble. LOL!"

I've noticed the silence over the years.

If you wish to claim that I'm obsessed with Sarah Palin and relegate your statement to passion rather than melodrama, I'll go for it.

If you were being fair, Dan, you would remember all the times I have voiced disapproval of the tactics used by some of the folks who post here. I have not been silent and you know that. Ignoring this fact seems to be in keeping with your proclivity for twisting the truth to make a point.

If you had not noticed, I had kept out of this Palin frenzy, with the exception of one post about her acceptance speech, because I had hoped all this hype would settle down some. But it has become a zoo with a heaping helping of melodrama (to borrow your word) from all fronts. I do not want to be crude so I will only allude to how some of you are acting over this woman.

My issue with Palin is her lack of being able to distinguish between her own personal beliefs and the right of others to feel and live differently. There is only one right way to do things and that is her way. There is no gray in her world, only black and white (unless of course it is her life and/or mistakes). We live in a time when exception is the rule, when gray is the norm. Palin has demonstrated she cannot impartially make decisions that are best for America, not just ones that are best for her.

You and others here have elevated her to a sainthood level. I have been waiting for her to be called the messiahess. But, then, none of you on the right would do that to anyone except those on the left.

Thanks TLC

Palin:

Asks children to pray for a pipeline

Opposes sex education.
(How's that working out for her..?)

Not only, believes in The Rapture, a word not found anywhere in the bible, but believes that Alaska will be the staging grounds for it.

Has a "Pray the Gay Away" service at her church

Has a husband who was a member of the Secessionist Party. What about HIS patriotism?

Believes Creationism should be taught in schools

Great post TLC

Thanks I like her even more now.
Plus Thousands are coming out to see her.
I wonder why. Us neanderthals have to stick together I guess.
ugghh

Thanks TLC

Palin:

Asks children to pray for a pipeline

Opposes sex education.
(How's that working out for her..?)

Not only, believes in The Rapture, a word not found anywhere in the bible, but believes that Alaska will be the staging grounds for it.

Has a "Pray the Gay Away" service at her church

Has a husband who was a member of the Secessionist Party. What about HIS patriotism?

Believes Creationism should be taught in schools

Great post TLC

Thanks I like her even more now.
Plus Thousands are coming out to see her.
I wonder why. Us neanderthals have to stick together I guess.
ugghh

Thanks TLC

Palin:

Asks children to pray for a pipeline

Opposes sex education.
(How's that working out for her..?)

Not only, believes in The Rapture, a word not found anywhere in the bible, but believes that Alaska will be the staging grounds for it.

Has a "Pray the Gay Away" service at her church

Has a husband who was a member of the Secessionist Party. What about HIS patriotism?

Believes Creationism should be taught in schools

Great post TLC

Thanks I like her even more now.
Plus Thousands are coming out to see her.
I wonder why. Us neanderthals have to stick together I guess.
ugghh

"...messiahhess... But, then, none of you on the right would do that to anyone except those on the left."

Action/reaction, Yvonne. He didn't get that pinned to him because of his humility. I'm not sure if you heard it or not, but Obama made the mistake of making Damascusian references to his campaign (I'm not sure if these are pre- or post-Elvis accent).

In New Hampshire, January 7, '08:
"So I am going to try to be so persuasive in the 20 minutes or so that I speak that by the time this is over, a light will shine down from somewhere. It will light upon you. You will experience an epiphany. And you will say to yourself, I have to vote for Barack. I have to do it. And if you make that decision, if that moment happens, "
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/07/cnr.02.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9845595-7.html

And, just to be sure it wasn't a "he misspoke", he repeated it in South Carolina, January 26, '08:
http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/seeing_the_light_in_south_caro.php

Not to mention his earth healing moment comment.

So far as I know, Palin hasn't claimed that level of _____. Now, if she were to mention twice how her name used to be Salin, that would be different. (Ten points will be awarded to everyone that immediately makes sense to.)

BTW, I like the '68 Comeback Tour Obama the best.

Yvonne, I do remember your voice of disapproval of the tactics of those who post here, just not the worst offender nor those who agree with you politically. Since I'm a fair person, I do remember one exception, apparently you said posted something to the effect as the response was:

Thanks Yvonne.
I will watch my own words more carefully, as I have entered the gutteral areas heretofore held firmly by the right wing.
Posted by: DemonDeacon at June 26, 2006 01:31 PM

Of course that promise never came to fruition nor do I ever remember you directing a voice of disapproval since.

If you wish to call people for uncivil discourse please do so. Just be fair and call it both ways lest you lose credibility on the issue ok?

First I'm obsessed with Palin, now you believe I think she is a saint? Passion Yvonne passion ;--)

So we're all going to put the kibosh on TLC from time to time just to placate Dan? But, I wonder.......when Dan will start doing the equivalent and calling out his fellow blogging ideologues when their comments are similarly outrageous (even if they are less frequent).

Dan?

Rogggger,

I know you have an interest in prosthetic limbs although I'm not sure if you're more into lower or upper extremities, but you might like this....

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=9669588

"So we're all going to put the kibosh on TLC from time to time just to placate Dan?"

rahrah, you are a newbie:

http://blog.news-record.com/staff/outloud/archives/2008/02/throwing_cyberm.shtml

If you wish to defend that, please be my guest.

I don't and won't defend the charlatan. From time to time I comment on his...whatever it is. Sometimes when I have, you've even given me a pat on the back. I find it all silly. You say you want civil discourse and that we, the 'liberal' bloggers should call bull no matter who's crapping it...yet, I've never seen you, the one who even goes as far to catalog the most outrageous of...whatever they are, do the same to folks who fall towards your end of the spectrum.

Yes, Dan, you say that attacks about Obama being a Muslim are ridiculous, but sit idly by when certain folks here go off the deep end. And, while the source of your catalog might just permanently reside off the deep end, I can't remember a time when when you've done more than ignore the bull escaping from the keyboards of your (possibly) more extreme counterparts.

Do you lack credibility on this issue?
Perhaps.

Is it a double standard?
Maybe.

Do I, personally, have trouble taking you seriously when I read your admonishments to others for 'not calling it both ways?'

Almost assuredly.

rahrah,

I'm a leg man myself. And have, for quite some time, thought #6 on Battlestar was just about the prettiest woman on TV. And yeah, she's good looking, but that woman in your link is gorgeous. I'd read about something similar with an electrical-line worker (arms), but hadn't seen it filmed.

Thanks.