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Are you trying to tell us,she sounded like Obama when his teleprompter broke. When has a VP candidate got this much attention? She is a average American woman, and the liberal press can not stand it. Obama I will be campaigning in all 57 sates! My Muslin Faith, talk about struggling, however the liberal press avoids these hiccups. Biden, during the depression, Roosevelt should have got on TV.
Biden, Roosevelt was not president during the depression, and TV had yet to be invented.

There is no "Bush Doctrine".

Roosevelt was not president during the depression? My nine-year old knows that FDR was pres from 1933 to 1945. The last traces of the depression didn't end until the pre-war production boom (1939-1940). The first commercial TV broadcasts began in the late 1920s and grew into the 1930's, granted in very limited markets. It's OK, though. I bet Miss Teen South Carolina didn't do much homework either.

Most independents like myself would love to know more about Palin. Problem is, she won't say anything without permission of the handlers. How are we supposed to trust in her leadership ability if her own party can't trust her to speak in public without a script?

madasheck - Biden said something like "When the Crash of '29 happened, President Roosevelt went on national TV ... "

The man clearly doesn't always engage his brain before opening his mouth. It's also a little known fact that in 1968, Biden was Mr. Teen Delaware.

BTW - a video of Palin doing the weather-girl thing has been pulled from youtube:

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by KTUU."

Sure.

That said .. if on Thursday night she shows up like this .. she'll garner more votes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSdFIDygFwM

... it's also rumored Biden will be disqualifying himself .. and Obama will accept the resignation and replace him with ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IelASQjqpEg&NR=1

"She is a average American woman,...."

That statement, Dog, is one of the most insulting things you have posted. I am an average American woman and she is nothing like me, exception being anatomically. If Palin has average intelligence, she is hiding it well.

"Are you trying to tell us,she sounded like Obama when his teleprompter broke."

You mean the Obama that either beat or tied (depending on who's talking) McCain in the 1st debate. Unsporting of them to let him use his teleprompter.

That's right Dog...the 'average American woman' is for legalized murder of the unborn and is jealous as hell that Palin has the audacity to compete (and look good) in a swimsuit competition. She also celebrates her husband and son's masculinity which galls the left to no end.

There are no 'feminists' left...just female liberals.

"Joe Biden has been a valued and respected member (by both parties and independents) of the Senate since 1973, with a wealth of experience, especially in foreign policy."
That is your opinion, not mine!

The first opportunity Sarah Palin had to speak to the American people, she lied. At the Republican National Convention, she ran off a string of lies, from the Bridge to Nowhere, to firing her chef, to earmarks- even subtly inferring she actually sold the state jet on Ebay.

These weren't just subtle lies, they were whoppers. And it took only about a Wasilla minute for the media to Google all of them and find the facts.

When you are that insincere- when you have such confidence in obfuscation to bolster your own image- you'd better expect the media to get out their pick axes and see how much more gold they can find.

Sarah Palin laid the gauntlet at the feet of the MSM.

And a special thanks to Rockefeller for putting such an image in my head that I may never be able to look at my wife in a formal gown again.

As for my other comment, I have little patience for politicians, pundits or commentators who don't research the facts before they go on record. If Biden mis-spoke, shame on him. As for Dog, double-shame on him as he had a computer at his fingertips. For those who didn't pay attention in school, there is always Google.

And a special thanks to Rockefeller for putting such an image in my head that I may never be able to look at my wife in a formal gown again.

As for my other comment, I have little patience for politicians, pundits or commentators who don't research the facts before they go on record. If Biden mis-spoke, shame on him. As for Dog, double-shame on him as he had a computer at his fingertips. For those who didn't pay attention in school, there is always Google.

As Dan would say, you just can't make up stuff like this...I think it is Dan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMypXCUWMw

Average American woman to become Vice President of the USA...interesting comments letter writer. On what basis do you determine the Average American Woman?

“Allow me to introduce myself. I am a traitor and an idiot. Also, my mother should have aborted me and left me in a trash bin, but since she didn't, I should ‘off’ myself.”

“The fierce reaction to my column has been both bracing and enlightening. After 20 years of column writing, I'm familiar with angry mail. But the past few days have produced responses of a different order. Not just angry, but vicious and threatening.”

Kathleen Parker, a conservative columnist, wrote an article about Sarah Palin’s inexperience for the vice presidency job. And the above quotes are from Parker’s follow up column about the e-mails that she received in response to the Palin article. Republicans are a scary lot. There doesn’t appear to be any room in the party for disagreement among its members. I think about what the Republicans did to McCain in 2000, and I really shouldn’t be surprised. You guys will eat your own. It’s all about winning at any cost.

"She also celebrates her husband and son's masculinity which galls the left to no end." Is she celebrating Bristol's baby daddy's masculinity?

"Is she celebrating Bristol's baby daddy's masculinity?"

I'll leave that one up for Gwen Ifill to ask Tail Gunner Joe tomorrow night.

The second Tina Fey SNL skit was drop down funny until it got to the below part. Then I thought it wasn't funny that they were just trying to make her look stupid. Later I found out that it was direct quotes from Palin during the interview.

Ouch!

" . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

Did anybody catch this little tidbit on SNL (or nbc, or npr, or abc, or...?:

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed," Biden told Couric. "He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"

Neither did I...

Neo,

Everybody knows that Biden says a lot of stupid stuff, but he balances that by saying a lot of smart stuff too.

All we hear from Palin when she is away from the teleprompter is the dumb stuff. I personally think that she is a really smart lady that has been thrust into a situation that she isn't ready for.

In covering for Sarah Palin, her inanities and the circumstances of her family- plus the panic to salve the wounds of the economy- conservatives are forever redefining conservatism:

Conservatives now urgently want government involved the marketplace; can forever forget about raising teen pregnancy as a plank in their social platform (by the way, thank God all Bristol Palin is carrying is a fetus from her unprotected sex); and are accepting- even championing- John McCain on this unfathomable comment he made during the debate and then again last night during an interview on CBS:

"You don't announce that you're going to attack another country."

McCain channels Hirohito. He endorses the strategy used against us on the Day of Infamy in December of 1941.

And what do conservatives do?

Cheer.

"All we hear from Palin when she is away from the teleprompter is the dumb stuff."

Excellent point, Firefly. I couldn't agree more.

Neo,

Who is limiting access to her?? It's not the "liberal media".

Er, Pragmatist, WWII isn't my forte, but wouldn't the Hirohito comparison find Japan attacking Germany (their ally)?

I don't necessarily agree with the assessment, but Pakistan is considered an ally. That's why Obama's comment was inappropriate.

As was Palin's:
“If that’s what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should,” Palin said.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/palins-perils/?pagemode=print

One was in an official speech, one was while buying sandwiches, but both are problematic in two completely different ways.

Since this seems to be a youtube thread here is one of Biden telling a paraplegic to stand up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mzbuRgnI4

I guess Biden doesn't have the power John Edwards has to make people walk again.

"limiting access to her??"

I've seen her plenty of times, Rufus. What would you like her do, appear on Keith Olbermann or 'Mr. Tingle' himself, Chris Mathews nightly, so they can edit it later and provide a little red meat for the true believers?

I haven't seen 'Tail Gunner Joe' Biden on Hannity yet. Not saying he hasn't ever appeared, just not lately. Who is limiting access to him? Caught a snippet of Limbaugh the other day and he was saying how great it would be to ask Biden a few questions. Wonder who is limiting Biden's appearances on the Limbaugh show?
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Dan, notice how you have to depend on the new media for Biden's Gaffes? The lamestream media is running interference for him and the little messiah,,,pitiful.

Dan, did you actually watch the clip that you think was such a revelation about Biden? He could not see that the man was in a wheel chair from his vantage point, and he seemed genuinely sorry for his comment.

Plus, it must have taken you most of the day to dig this one up from the youtube archives.

Pragmatist – you are wrong.

Most Conservatives are NOT urgently wanting government involvement in the marketplace. This intervention is clearly being pushed by far more Democrats than Republicans; maybe a more accurate statement would be: Many more Republicans than Democrats are urgently government involvement in the marketplace.

ALSO .. I don’t know about this one either: "You don't announce that you're going to attack another country."

I think you do everything and then a whole lot more to avoid military intervention, but once that point is crossed .. once that decision is irrevocably made, you sure as HELL don't announce – at least when where and how – you're going to attack the other country.

"All we hear from Palin when she is away from the teleprompter is the dumb stuff."

"Excellent point, Firefly. I couldn't agree more."

ha ha Neo.

So tell us the smart stuff she has said.

I agree with Rufus_T.Firefly: She is a smart lady thrust into a situation for which she is not ready. It’s a damn shame too, and I mean that. If she had been given, for example the Key Note Convention Speech – then let American get to know her over the next few years as she simultaneously honed her own skill set – travelled the world a bit, etc – in a couple election cycles she might have made a good Candidate. As it is, it looks from this perspective – she will been thrust into has been could have been territory.

May she can recover. I really don’t care about shooting wolves from airplanes (although I also do not see the sport in it), and if her history of wind-fall taxes for the exploitation of Resources the belong to the American People is indicative of her real persona, I don’t have a problem with that either. A single president will not overturn Roe v Wade – which is Government intervention into the personal lives of Americans, btw – a highly valued conservative ideal – so I’m not too worried about that either.

She just is not ready and America knows it and now it appears we’ll be stuck with Obama and an out of control Congress. God Save America.

"limiting access to her??"

neocon said:

"I've seen her plenty of times, Rufus."

Are you freaking nuts, Meocon?

Show me ANY other V.P. Candidate that has .. in modern history ... let's just say "completed so few interviews and speaches on his/her own"

If you really believe what I infer, then you really are deranged, my friend.

No, R. Bennet, it wouldn't. What McCain said, "You don't announce that you're going to attack another country", emulates the philosophy of Emp. Hirohito in December of 1941 when the Japanese plotted the surprise assault on Pearl Harbor.

Only Congress has power to declare war. The President can "repel attacks" against the United States and that's it.

What McCain is saying is the same thing that got us embroiled in Vietnam and Iraq and that is- when a president perceives the need, he or she has the right to attack wherever and whenever he/she wants, without declaring war and then deal with Congress in a few months.

The military is obligated to obey the Commander in Chief. Allowing a President carte blanche to wage war whenever he or she wants to is a dangerous thing. That's why the Framers gave that power to Congress and why the War Powers Act modernized the concept.

McCain thinks anyone who really does understand that... "doesn't understand" that.

Note: Under the terms of the non-NATO treaty, Pakistan is our military ally and we are pledged to protect Pakistani sovereignty in the event of an incursion on their territory.

Technically, we are now obligated to defend Pakistan against ourselves.

new-sense & Dan:

I'd heard the story but never seen the clip.

So tell me Dan .. do you really believe Biden saw State Senator Graham in that wheel chair and THEN told him to stand up?

I swear to God .. the lengths folks go to disparage politicians they disagree with ... for no reason other than they wear one colored tie .. is suprased only be the length folks go to support politicians they agree with ... for no reason other than they wear a differeny colored tie ..

See also: Limiting access to her? I've seen her plenty of times.

No wonder this country is so f'd up

... off topic, I know ... but where the hell is President Bush? General Schloesser, in charge of Afghanistan, just issued ANOTHER urgent plea for more troops ...

As importantly, where the hell are all you partisan hacks that spent a couple years hollaring "support the troops, support the troops."

Jeeze

"I've seen her plenty of times, Rufus. What would you like her do, appear on Keith Olbermann or 'Mr. Tingle' himself, Chris Mathews nightly"

It would do her good just as it helped Obama to go on "O'Reilly". You have to earn respect by doing hard things. A successful bout with Olbermann would exorcise her airhead image but success with any MSM would work in that direction. Her problem right now is that she is playing into a stereotype. Right now she has been working overtime to reinforce it and the isolation allows folks to take the few impressions that they have of her and magnify them. Folks like George Will and Kathleen Parker that are genetically predisposed to like her think that she is unqualified because they see her protected like a delicate flower and the few times that she's let out she's pretty awful.

Campaigning is an awful and grueling affair but the one thing that it does is test people under a lot of different stresses and we get to see people at their worst. You get to see McCain change positions in rapid succession and go off half cocked regularly, Obama go back on his word on campaign finance, Biden put FDR on TV, and Palin speaking incoherently when ever a substantive question that doesn't involve her family or state. We then get to decide what's relevant.

Hiding a candidate from the process is an insult to us. It says to me that you made a mistake and your're trying to hide it.

Thanks for the link Dan. I've heard the story & it's good to see how it really came down. Not much to it and he recovered quickly & well.

If that and the FDR thing is the worst thing that Biden does then he's having a good campaign.

Biden is a man whose toenails and tonsils are on a first name basis.

I suppose by focusing on Palin and SNL skits the lamestream media can ignore the little messiah's connection to Ayers, Rezco and Frannie and Freddie. SNL skits about an underling are so much more important to national security than the democrat's nominee ties to terrorists, felons, and shakedown artists who are about to scam the taxpayers out of a cool 700 bil.

But then, it never did take much to keep liberals entertained.

Pragmatist, not to be difficult, but I don't think that's quite it:

"Hi, Mr. Rommel? Oh, sorry. Can I speak to Mr. Rommel? Thanks.
(whistling, scribbling on notepad)
Hi, Mr. Rommel? Roosevelt. R-O-O-S-E-V- Yes, yes, that Roosevelt. Look, we were hoping to work you in somewhere around the first of June. Yes. We're fairly open, so what's good for you? The sixth? Hold on, let me check...

You're absolutely right about Congress and war, but McCain's statement wasn't a promise of a particularly sneaky technique or approach. Or perhaps we both heard the same phrase two entirely different ways. More mondegreens, kind of.

What I heard McCain say was one shouldn't casually threaten invasion of an ally. It was a response of sorts to what Obama explicitly said about Pakistan last year, and which was what prompted McCain to indicate it wasn't the proper or polite thing to do.

Obama, August '07:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6926663.stm

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will,"

McCain at last Friday's debate:
http://debatehub.c-span.org/?page_id=23&keyword=troops

"...as (Obama) has said that he would announce military strikes into Pakistan. We've got to get the support of the people of -- of Pakistan. He said that he would launch military strikes into Pakistan. Now, you don't do that. You don't say that out loud. If you have to do things, you have to do things, and you work with the Pakistani government"

Statement/response, with the response pointing out an irresponsible foreign policy statement that an ally might not appreciate. Nothing foreboding or Hirohito-ish about it.

"Plus, it must have taken you most of the day to dig this one up from the youtube archives."

Ever heard of Google newsense? Three words:

1) Biden 2) stand 3) up

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=biden+stand+up&btnG=Search

It took 2 seconds.

JDR, don't like the Biden stand up link?

How about a few more words in a Google search?

Biden Hillary better VP youtube

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVy2yh28eig

"I suppose by focusing on Palin and SNL skits the lamestream media can ignore the little messiah's connection to Ayers,"

Don't criticize SNL skits. That and the Daily Show are where I get my news and opinions.

When I think of all the poor devils that depend on Fox for their news and opinions it makes me sad that people actually believe that these are real newsfolks and not the longest running parody of real news shows going.

Maybe if they had an audience or a laugh track.

Dan, your both your clips make Biden more impressive to me...first he makes mistakes, admits them, apologizes for them, then handles it with grace and humor. I agree that Hillary would have made a good president or VP. I think that he will do better than Palin.

I watched your link, now you watch mine and comment please,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMypXCUWMw

Isn't it wonderful to have such attention given to Gov Sarah Palin. As of two months ago most of us didn't know who she is. Now we can't stop talking about her. What a great orator and oh by the way-the next Vice President of the United States!
Martha Long