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As a conserved I can tell you we are dead.When you can register 14 year old and one person can register 73 times and it only makes the news on Fox, and there is no outcry from the other media, we are dead.When a school teacher in NC can campaign for Obama in class, and there is no outcry from the media, we are dead. When all the corruption in Raleigh is covered up by the media, we are dead. When move on can hand the president a list of 200 *things they want done immediately, and say you owe us we raised millions of dollars for you, we are dead. Of course we had our chance and we screwed it up.
* this list has now been removed from their webb site!

I'd suggest, Dog, that the way we know about multiple registers and 14 year-old voters is that the system worked and we found these before Election Day.

I haven't heard about this list either, I'm sure you've got a link or something....right?

..."spurred on by journalists of all media who cast objectivity to the wind in exchange for their infatuation with his charisma, mystique and liberal agenda."

This is nothing new Mr. Wymer. There has been no objective media in this country since the 1950s. Now we are subjected to "Camelot II...The Return of the Knight". At this point, Obama could declare all industries nationalized and under control of the federal government, and the liberal media would swoon and run stories about how much courage it takes to step up to the plate 'for the good of all citizens'. Pitiful.

What's depressing is one can now be elected potus after publicly stating the constitution was inadequate because it provided no clause by which to confiscate the property of one and give it to another who never lifted a finger to earn it. Says a lot about our society...and our so called 'news media'. In times past (when we actually had a public education system in this country) one running for president would collect less than 1% of the vote after declaring the constitution full of 'blind spots'.

I fear the people who look to the government to take care of them are now in the majority.

Regarding the LTE, I don't really know what to think. Obama and (D)s won nationwide, but even California voters made an odd showing of "Conservatism" by voting down gay marriage, and apparently Obama's most pious were key in defeating it:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1856872,00.html

I think this is what Dan might've been talking about yesterday. The nation will probably be surprised overall at what we've asked for and, one way or the other, rightly deserve.

Roger, what I was talking about yesterday is different. I mentioned how moveon, unions, pro-abortion, and other special interest groups raised beaucoup $$$ for Obama and now they will want the return on their investment. I mentioned it will be fun to watch how Obama reacts to the demands of these groups versus focusing on his primary task, the economy.

Of course my point was spun into statements like I thought it fun to watch the economy suffer, etc., the usual suspects think they are adept at such spin.

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As for the gay marriage vote, that REALLY ticked off Leonard Pitts and the like minded who see everything by virtue of skin color.

http://www.miamiherald.com/living/columnists/leonard-pitts/story/767511.html

Pitts seems to forget that many blacks are deeply religious people and don't favor gay marriage.

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As for Prop 8 in CA, you would think the voters decided and it would become a done deal. Wrongo. When some liberals don't get their way at the ballot box, they of course sue. The ACLU, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights filed a suit over Prop 8 the very day after the election.

"Obama ran a marvelous campaign against very lackluster opposition, spurred on by journalists of all media who cast objectivity to the wind in exchange for their infatuation with his charisma, mystique and liberal agenda."

Even according to your own words it sounded like the media was just reporting what was going on ("marvelous campaign" vs. "lackluster opposition"). This media as the villain is waaaaaaay overblown.

Rufus, a one minute Starbucks commercial related to the election on Saturday Night Live is said to have cost as much as $350,000.

http://adage.com/article?article_id=132344

Does anyone have any idea of how many minutes the SNL skits making fun of (R)s totaled? They were certainly funny, but when 30 minutes worth of air time is worth $10+ million dollars and the staff is on record as heavy-lifting ($$$) Obama/(D) supporters, shouldn't we realistically discuss the merits of the Fairness Doctrine as it applies to integrated and unsolicited advertising on television programming aimed at a particular demographic?

You can spin your comments any way you like, Dan, but "fun to watch" struggles cannot be explained away. And speaking of spins, your analysis of Pitts' column relied totally on spin. You are always posting about how Muslims or blacks should encourage "their own" to behave in more positive way. But when Pitts writes an editorial comment calling "his" people on the carpet for discriminating, you chide him for it.

As Pitts said, using the Bible to justify not treating all God's children as equals can never wash in the eyes of our Lord. Claiming religion supports mistreatment of your fellow man is akin to claiming the Bible supports wrongdoing. Just think of all the things done in the past and present day in the name of religion. That was the gist of Pitts' editorial, not "......REALLY ticked off Leonard Pitts and the like minded who see everything by virtue of skin color." or "Pitts seems to forget that many blacks are deeply religious people and don't favor gay marriage."

Talk about missing the point!

RB,

I'm going to grant you SNL. I thought the skits were devastating. But with Tina Fey as Palin what are you gonna do? That was the most perfect impersonation I've ever seen.

But that doesn't have anything to do with how the election went. It was not markedly different than the media that oversaw Bush's last 2 elections & don't forget all of the grief that Gore & Kerry got.

Media goes with the frontrunner but frontrunners aren't made by the media.

“Pitts seems to forget that many blacks are deeply religious people and don't favor gay marriage.” Dan, that’s quite a statement for you to make about a black male who grew up in the South.

It’s not that African Americans don’t favor gay marriage, if you look at the statistics for African Americans, they don’t seem to favor marriage, period. And there will be a lot of them who will say that they voted against Prop 8 because of religion, but, I think that a bigger underlying fear is that by condoning a gay lifestyle, that it would further erode what little chance African American women have of finding a suitable mate. As if allowing a homosexual couple to marry would somehow lessen the chances for a heterosexual couple to marry. Also, a large segment of the African American population is very homophobic. AIDS is rarely spoken about in African American churches; yet, AIDS has and continues to take a toll on the African American community. You speak of your time in Africa. Surely you must know that a lot of that country’s AIDS epidemic is because of antiquated thinking.

I am disappointed in the African American community and its vote on Prop 8. Leonard Pitts’ column is very eloquent and to the point and he is right to take African Americans to task for their hypocrisy on this matter. It is no different than African Americans screaming about crime in their neighborhoods, yet, they refuse to partner (anti-snitching mentality) with local law enforcement and the judicial system in order to bring about changes that would guarantee safer neighborhoods.

"You can spin your comments any way you like, Dan, but "fun to watch" struggles cannot be explained away."

Yeah it will be fun to watch all these special interest groups 'struggle' to the front door of the White House Yvonne, if that's the kind of struggle you are referencing. They want payback and they want it big. If you don't believe me perhaps you can believe MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27649167/

"And speaking of spins, your analysis of Pitts' column relied totally on spin."

My "analysis" consisted of one sentence: "Pitts seems to forget that many blacks are deeply religious people and don't favor gay marriage."

BTW, it's not an analysis, it's simply the truth. Most black people oppose gay marriage. The results of the Prop 8 vote in CA illustrated that. If you don't believe me ask Katie Couric:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/05/eveningnews/main4502738.shtml

"Obama is expected to bring African-American voters out in record numbers, and those voters are seen as often being more conservative on issues involving homosexuality."

Here is a study from earlier this year:

“Nearly three-quarters of blacks say that homosexual relations are always wrong, and over one-third say that AIDS might be God’s punishment for immoral sexual behavior,” the report says. “Overall, blacks are 14 percentage points more likely to hold both positions than whites.”

http://www.dallasvoice.com/artman/publish/article_9008.php

My 'analysis' isn't an analysis after all, it's just stating a fact. I did not offer an opinion regarding black people opposing gay marriage, frankly I don't care whether they do or not, that's their business.

"Dan, that’s quite a statement for you to make about a black male who grew up in the South."

Your post wasn't there before my 1:25 post conundrum. Then I had to run a few errands, hence the delay in my response.

I wouldn't relegate this phenomena of blacks opposing gay marriage to the South, after all Prop 8 was on the ballot in arguably the most liberal state in the country, the Mecca of the gay community; San Francisco, which also happens to be a long way from the South.

Your statement that blacks do not favor marriage period may explain why 70% of black children are born out of wedlock. However Prop 8 specifically addressed gay marriage, not heterosexual marriage.

As for antiquated thinking, you are correct. Neither you nor I think AIDS is God's punishment for immoral behavior. That is an opinion. But the fact is a large part of the black population, not just in the South, is opposed to homosexual marriage, many for religious reasons. If find it ironic that the huge black turnout in CA for Obama was instrumental in support of Prop 8.

For those who equate the gay rights struggle to the civil rights struggle, even Pitts acknowledges that gays were not kidnapped from foreign lands and forced into slavery.

"As for Prop 8 in CA, you would think the voters decided and it would become a done deal."

You might think that, but I wouldn't exactly call putting the rights of a minority up for public vote ethical. It's sort of how the oh-so-great Founding Fathers decided that blacks were only 60% people.

"Does anyone have any idea of how many minutes the SNL skits making fun of (R)s totaled?"

I saw plenty of sketches making fun of everybody. Of course, if you're going to fault Ms. Fey for pretty much quoting Sarah Palin....

And Rufus had a good point at 9:25am.

I can't wait to meet with Leonard Pitts tomorrow during his visit to Greensboro. While I do not ALWAYS agree with him, I find him very intuitive and by and large, very accurate.

By the way, Dan, if you call the Miami paper, Leonard answers his own phone. I suggest you call him (not tomorrow) and speak with him. He's quite a "thinker".

I'm not claiming it's a villain. It's a business, just like the rest. I'm just talking about fairness (doctrine).

Odd how all the clips I find of Obama being made fun of are back when he was running against Hillary. Was Biden ever done on SNL other than the VP debate ("me, Joe Biden, is better (pointing at Fey) than that") and briefly on the Bash?

I'm sure it was perfectly innocent and completely unintended, and just coincidentally happened to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars of airtime...

"...explaining that the Palin pieces were written by current "SNL" head writer Seth Meyers"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/15/tv.snl.tina.fey.ap/

(reacting to Obama's victory)
"MEYERS: I had an hour of goose bumps and then my natural cynicism kicked in."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15343.html

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Seth_Meyers.php

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13684.html

And I'm sure I just missed all the repeats of the Obama bits on the morning shows (I haven't watched SNL consistently since the Celebrity Jeopardy days). The real-time ones with Obama post-Hillary that I did see just used him as a setup for McCain/Palin comedy.

Heck, they didn't even have fun with the way Obama poofs his cheeks out Gillespie-like every time he says his M's or P's and F's. That's as annoying as Palin's winks to me. Hopefully they'll catch up now that they have no choice.

The skits were hilarious. But it's the optical illusion again- most of *my* exposure to recent SNL came from the early morning NBC shows discussing the skits. And considering that most all morning and daytime shows are simply vessels to advertise, and to advertise shows on the same network by talking incessently about them or interviewing their stars, the SNL skits were all the rage on NBC. Strange how the skits with Obama weren't aired in the morning even though hours and hours of footage was repeated...

(Remember that people pitching books in interviews during these same shows have paid to be on there. Nothing is done for free. Airtime = $$$, and the Palin SNL repeats were as good as campaign contributions)

Once you start seeing it you can't unsee it.

It's interesting that the reason some are giving for not making fun of Obama is because he hasn't done anything yet. Not anything funny, just anything.

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/11/comedy-obama.html

That's very telling.

I don't have any interest in either side suppressing anyone else's freedom of speech, but folks that tend to complain about commercial untruths and mockeries by entertainers on the radio should at least make an effort to complain about commercial untruths and mockeries by entertainers on TV. I'd bet if minutes had to be logged and TV time given away (at $350k/minute), Obama would've been poked at a bit more.

Just so you know, I think the Fairness Doctrine is crap.

If you're interested, clips of SNL on hulu.com,

Here's a sketch mocking Biden, since you said you hadn't seen one.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/40827/saturday-night-live-road-to-the-white-house#s-p2-sr-i1

I don't watch morning news, mostly because I usually sleep til noon, but I do remember hearing a lot about the Palin skits. Of course, what I heard was that when Fey did Palin or Palin actually showed up, ratings went through the roof. I just think that, if you take the time go through the skits, you'll find more balance than you might expect.