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Ok, I'll do it.

If things are generally the opposite of your prediction, I expect a thank you from you.

Been waiting about 7-1/2 years to type this sentence: Obama won; get over it.

Also, Mr Gorden, do you want to send out your address so those of us who voted against Bush can stop by and thank you for the catastrophe that we are now left with?

Got news for ya, Steve ..

Jobs have been on the loosing side for perhaps 40 years, with few periods of rebound.

... and everything else depends on JOBS.

"Lefties, you will be sorry"

I disagree. At the end of His first term, when we look around at the cesspool of ruins that used to be America, the left will cheer. This seems to have been their goal for the last 65 years or so.

When we witness terrorist attack after terrorist attack on Americans and American interests worldwide with no response other than crawling to the UN begging for 'sanctions' against the perpetrators, we will hear how wonderful the little messiah is for being do constrained and 'not rushing to judgment'. ("Why, He's just taking the advice of His advisers, don't you know")

When the socialists finish bankrupting the country with their bleeding heart health care scheme and other Marxist initiatives, we will hear only how their Chosen One was trying to help the shillrun and we shouldn't blame Him for the failures.

Gone will be the criticisms of being unable to view the caskets of returning dead Americans. After January it will be viewed as 'respect for the dead'...not the result of ill planned policies.

I'm taking odds on how many times we will see the phrase "the mess He inherited from Bush" to explain away the dismal shortcomings of the little messiah by His apologists... not only here, but in the media at large.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is overjoyed, and has already expressed his thanks to the American left, and I suspect Kim Jong Ill is licking his chops along with other America hating fanatics who won last Tuesday.

By the time this is over, we will be begging for another Jimmie Carter.

Praise be to Allah.

Howie is correct, Obama won, get over it, he will be our president. It's a done deal.

They guy hasn't even assumed office yet. I vote to at least give him a chance.

Obama will be in a precarious position. The govt. is flat broke, the economy in the dumps, yet the special interests who backed him with campaign dough are going to want their just rewards.

Unions are going to want the Employee Free Choice Act implemented. Teachers are going to want more money. Environmentalists are going to want stricter regulations, reduction of coal use, money for global warming reduction, etc. Health care advocates are going to want the mandatory health care for children that Obama promised.

He did promised alot of things to alot of people and they will come calling. So he has a choice to deliver on those goodies and increase the debt even more, or renege on some goodies with the realization 1) that there is no money to pay for them; and 2) governing from the far left will alienate most Americans.

Republicans alone are not beholden to special interests. No siree.

This is going to be interesting. Obama, you wanted the job, it's yours, good luck.

"I'm taking odds on how many times we will see the phrase "the mess He inherited from Bush" to explain away the dismal shortcomings"

What's the over/under on that -- more or less than the number of times you guys have blamed Clinton for everything from Al Qaeda's attacks in 2001 to the economic collapse that occurred after six years of total Republican control?

Howie,

Great points!

It seems to me that I heard the same tales of woe when Clinton took office. We all remember how "awful" the '90s were.

Everybody do me a favor and impress well on your memory what shape America is in right now & we'll talk in 4 years.

Crybabies.

No, I fear the lefties won't be sorry, just everyone else.
By the way howie g, how did you know obama was going to win 71/2 years ago.

This nation would have been better served if the money spend on campaigns were used toward the national debt and someone flipped a coin as to which bozo would be the new president.

Way to go, Dan...you are correct in saying that we will all just have to wait and see and hope for the best. No one will argue that the new President has a daunting job ahead. I am glad to see that some are willing to be Americans instead of Democrats or Republicans.

We will all have to meet at Yvonne's open house.

Yvonne, I'm not crying, just disgusted.

Obama is persona-non-grata in my house as TV news has been banned. Not gonna let his vision of America bother me but I will get some satisfaction when his followers start getting their faces slapped by the reality of him not being able to deliver on all his promises, electric rates double because of his coal position and unemployment reaches Jimmy Carter levels.

At the end of his presidency we'll all face the question "have our lives improved" during his reign? I'm making sure that my efforts at improvement will be greater than BHO's results in the opposite direction. No President will keep me down or cause me grief again, nope, not gonna do it, not gonna go there, after all, tomorrow is another day!

"In four years, when you have lost your jobs ..."

If jobs are lost, it will be because of this huge mess that exists NOW. Jobs will probably BE lost, and neither Obama nor McCain can stop it, only try to stem the bleeding.

"In four years, when you have lost your jobs because of tax burdens placed on businesses, and when your income is eroded by further tax increases to pay for social programs we can’t afford, and money starts pouring out of the markets because of the anti-business agenda of your socialist president,"

It sure is refreshing to see Republicans losing the race with dignity and grace, all the while embracing the fact that perhaps some self-examination is needed in order to best prevail on part of the Party and of America in the future.

Keep up the good work, Steve.

I voted for McCain. He lost. I'm over it.

I already felt we'd probably have a better president, regardless of who won.

Give the man a chance. Stop acting like a sore loser. If he screws up big time, give him hell. Until then, shut up.

(Ahem)

“But when our laws, our leaders or our government are out of alignment with our ideals, then the dissent of ordinary Americans may prove to be one of the truest expression of patriotism.”
- B. Obama, July '08

http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2008/07/01/obama/print.html

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Dan, it's an easy solution. End the war but not the funding, redirecting it to the “wants”
(“The more than $10 billion we’re spending each month in Iraq is money we could be investing here at home" March '08, http://tinyurl.com/6o6lgq)

sieze private 401k accounts,

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/24/obama-dems-seek-to-end-401-k-plans/

and print more money if there is still a shortfall (increase inflation). What will be extremely expensive are the “needs” after that. Russia, Iran, and China are all serious concerns, and any future military excursions will essentially cost double what they do today because the prior funds will have been redirected and become never-ending.

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Yvonne, good luck on your venture. How are you deciding what to charge for a night's stay?

And have you decided yet what percentage of unknown guests each year won't have to pay for your services because they can't afford it?

[Poster's note: in this post by "Republican" I refer to the current national leadership of the party by that name]
Republicans should be happy, anyway. The party is incapable of competence governance. They do seem capable of tearing others down or destroying the financial system or undermining the military or corrupting every institution or ...shall I go on?
Now the Republicans can sit back, interfere with every honest action, continue to undermine the American form of Government then point to their mess and blame it on the Democrats. It's all they seem able to do anymore besides whine.

hugh,

I do not buy into campaign promises, no matter who is doing the promising. I voted for Obama because, as a person with vision, he was the best choice. I could not stand the thought of four more years of the same old, same old. McCain lost my respect for judgment when he allowed Palin to become his running mate. Had he picked someone like Rice, I probably would not have voted for him but, at least I would not have the same feelings about his judgment.

Roger,

Thank you for your well wishes. I can about guarantee you anyone who has the money to travel will have the money to afford my place. I am not going into this venture to make a killing. For the better part of thirty years, I have taken care of people in crisis, sick, injured and dying people. My vision is to participate in people's lives during happier, healthier times. Therefore, I have priced my rooms, the cottage and special events to be affordable for most.

I have had two large weddings (60-100 guests) by the pond and both turned out great. I will have my website up soon: Heartfriends Inn. While my place is no mansion by most standards, it is clean, country elegant and tastefully furnished. And no one can beat the peacefulness and love we offer.

So no need-based services then. I'd think it would improve the quality of life for those rarely able to travel because of the expense or those unable to afford much more than a marriage license, but I suppose you know best how to run your business.

The open house sounds delightful. My wife and I enjoy taking in-town vacations and promoting local businesses. Are the grounds and quarters wheelchair friendly?

Congratulations again on being able to start such a venture during the harsh economic times our President-elect ran and won on, and may no government official ever tell you what to charge, what you must give away, or threaten your bankruptcy to promote a pretend B&B that is painted differently in drawings and hasn't been built yet.

Either Obama does well or he screws up massively in the first two years. If he screws up, hopefully Congress will get cleaned out, forcing Obama to reshape his agenda.

I was trying to stay out of the discussion, Roger .. but your July '08 Obama quote:

“But when our laws, our leaders or our government are out of alignment with our ideals, then the dissent of ordinary Americans may prove to be one of the truest expression of patriotism.”

Reminded me of this:

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

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If the “more than $10 billion” war funding get’s “redirected” .. I hope it goes towards re-fitting the spent military including prosthetics.

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As for “ … print more money .. “ Where is the Trillion dollars in Wall Street Bailout coming from if not more printed money?

When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul.

My, gosh, how many Paul's are out there?

Agree, cutawad .. but the Pauls have been robbed forever.

He's an exceptional speaker, JDR. Sometimes he even falls for his lines himself:

“I, I, I actually believe my own rhetoric," Obama stammered, uncharacteristically, in an interview with NEWSWEEK in the spring of 2008

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582

And it doesn't look like military spending is one of the options.

“For what folks in this state have been spending on the Iraq war, we could be giving health care to nearly 450,000 of your neighbors, hiring nearly 30,000 new elementary school teachers, and making college more affordable for over 300,000 students... (other campaign promises unrelated to military) That’s what we could be doing instead of fighting this war. “

“relief to struggling homeowners” was mentioned, though. No arms or legs. Or HALs.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBH8j

I've been against the bailout from the start. If either mainstream candidate had stood up and opposed it AND said they'd do something about our illegal alien problem they would've taken 80%+ of the popular vote.

We'll print more money in addition to the bailout. That will work out well, though, when minimum wage is raised to $9+ since its worth, as always, will remain almost exactly the same.

Pity the worker who earns $10 an hour right now.

Yvonne, I don't want it to get lost in the shuffle:

Will your B&B be wheelchair friendly?

"“I, I, I actually believe my own rhetoric"

... so is that a bad thing, Roger?

Speaking of bad things: When, after McCain had on countless occassions pulled a pen from his shirt pocket to waved it boldly with a firm promise to veto all pork - then used that same symbolic pen to vote for the bailout bill .. it was obvious he did not believe his own rhetoric.

As for the worker making $10 / hour .. he can always quit then re-apply for the lower reponsibility $9 / hour job. That's what makes America Great.

I'm trying to remember the last time I heard "rhetoric" used in a positive light.

It's probably not a problem if the words are sincere, JDR, but I've got a feeling sincerity isn't something that plagues him. Public campaign financing, his Selma conception connection, Iraq withdrawal, 2nd Amendment, bans on gun manufacture, above my pay grade, bitter clingers, "kill him", drilling, Elvis accent...

I wonder which rhetoric he was talking about? I'll stick with his voting record.

I read these threads with sadness because most of you takes one of two positions. R or D. That is the status quo. My concern is that we have created a two party monster that will continue to build majorities and win elections, but not do what is in the best interest of the electorate. Both presidential candidates offered the same solutions which was government as the probem solver.

We did not need Medicare Part D, we did not need the first stimulus package, we did not need the initial bailout and we sure as hell should not bail out GM and Ford for continuing failed business practices.

Capitalism works when government gets out of the way. Every candidate from federal to local offices promised more government involvement. Where are the true fiscal conservatives that will push for an environment where effort and ingenuity guide the marketplace?

I agree, Burcham, the status quo is in a bad place ... and hope to not come across as one who "takes one of two positions. R or D." Truth is, my best strength is being a contrarian - state a position and I can usually find a rationale counter-point.

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With all this bail-out stuff, I'm struggling with "Capitalism works when government gets out of the way". Here's what I mean:

Assume Social Security were privatized, ala Bushie in 2005 (right after we had defeated terrorism). Some portion, perhaps 1/3rd of the "contributions" - about $250 Billion - would go into "the market" .. If we're "buying shares", why not pick (using your examples), GM and Ford. With that much to invest you could eventually get close to Serious Influence of some Corporations - and in a perfect world, stop their "continuing failed business practices" ... MAKE - 'EM put out cars Americans want to buy, and make-'em make-'em in the USA. Jobs baby.

Instead, and still using your examples, we get Medicare Part D .. which is one of the largest single governent give-aways ever.

Your final question is right on: "Where are the true fiscal conservatives that will push for an environment where effort and ingenuity guide the marketplace?"