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Forgiveness is way overrated.

Sadly, the scum that committed this crime probably won't lose a minute's sleep over this killing. I think the people who do things like this have no regard for human life or the far-reaching effects on others resulting from a crime such as this.

I agree with bunny, believe me people that commit such horrible unspeakable acts don't have a conscious. once they kill they get "the taste of blood" and many have the urge to kill again. they are like animals in the hunt, the more blood and gore the better they like it. I wonder just how many of these killers will tell you that they "believe in god " tho. My guess is a large number of them will.

and now to you Dan------ Dan? are you there?

noname -

Ironically thoughtful misspelling in your response - perhaps these killers do lack 'conscious'-ness, by being out of their minds with drugs, insanity or something else. Or perhaps they simply lack the conscience we ascribe to humanity. Well worth pondering.

One of my personal moral dilemmas swirls around this very issue - should we consider compassion (the forgiveness issue) for those miscreants whose consciousness is not there during heinous acts, but who exhibit conscience later ... versus playing the capital punishment card for those who lack conscience and seem to have no ability to possess one, as bunny described?

Any philosophical theologians out there? I've struggled with this for decades. Yup, no easy answers!

'mornin noname

"I wonder just how many of these killers will tell you that they "believe in god " tho. My guess is a large number of them will."

Following that logic, noname, another just as valid question would be to ask how many of these killers wear blue jeans. Or eat cereal for breakfast. Or live in a house.

Wrong is wrong. Why interject your all-encompassing intolerant personal prejudices into every conversation, tho?

Would you be just as willing to write "view themselves as black" in your quote? Why not?

I cant believe you all keep falling for it. Noname writes satire. Theres no way someone would have so many inconsistencies or so much hypocrisy unless they were trying to. Add in personal accounts of constant barrages from local but anonymous aggressive Christians, even bringing up bestiality by a neighbor, and its guaranteed attention and more and more responses.

I do not write satire. Just try walking in my shoes for a while and you will realize , these accounts are anonymous because I am considerate enough not to name names. If you don't believe these things have happened then you are either living with your head in the sand or you don't read the news. No, what I went through with my neighbor was not in the news, but there are many others who deal with such people also and some of that does make the news. Maybe if they had killed my husband the night they tried to run him over with their car it might have made the back page. they were drunk and had already vandalized my sign earlier in the evening, when we caught them at it. when they came back a second time to finish what they had not accomplished on the prior try was when they tried to run him over. I can provide you with a daily account of the things we had to endure.

I don't try to create this stuff it has all happened and much more we live in a crazy world these days and you are lucky if you dont' ever encounter this family or any other like it.

the beastiality was in an e-mail sent to a friend of my husbands not something I had happen to me I was making the point of how unchristian like many people, who claim to be christian, can be so hateful to their fellow man and still claim they are good people.

to rbennet: I guess I do try to make my point of people who claim to be godfearing people aren't all they are cracked up to be. And sure I would be willing to write "view themselves as black" , as most blacks claim christianity but yet they are in the majority in prisons.

my point being those, who think they are so pious and self-righteous and arrogant as to think that they are the only ones who are right about their religion, need to take a step back and look at themselves and what they have become in their constant never ending push to spread the word of their god to every corner of the earth. Believe me this is not what Jesus intended for his followers to behave like.

Surprise surprise I do believe Jesus existed, and I do believe that he had some wonderful ideas as to how the people of this world should behave and treat the earth, but those ideals have become jaded and warped. WWJD? he surely wouldn't act like alot of the over zealous christians I have encountered in my day.

You answered it sideways, noname, but I want to be sure I understand.

Do you believe skin color makes blacks more likely to commit crimes?

no I don't believe skin color makes them more likely to commit crimes. It is a fact that the majority of people in jail are of color. It's not the color of the skin it's the mind set of those living in poverty and without direction in their childhoods that make them criminals.

Noname, I'm unconcerned with everything other than "no," especially since I grew up dirt-floor poor as well.

So that's a "no" on black = criminal. Easy enough. We've established that you're capable of not blanketing at least one group.

Why then would a common belief in (by your own quote a nondescript and unmentioned but safely assumed Protestant) God makes someone more prone to murder in your eyes?

Are you just playing the odds to feed your prejudice? You've got a 92% chance of being right since that's the percent of Americans who believe in a higher power.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/23/ST2008062300818.html

Using your logic, shall we also say that people who have used sidewalks are more prone to murder? Why not?

How about meat eaters? Surely they commit a greater number of crimes than vegetarians.

FWIW, I don't think you realize that your argument is massively flawed. Your stance presupposes that most criminals believe in God. Let's go with that as truth, and we can simultaneously acknowledge that criminals make up a small percentage of the total population of the U.S.

See your failure yet? With a small percentage of criminals as believers-in-God, it's necessary for the huge majority of law-abiding citizens to be believers-in-God. (Remember the 92%?)

Therefore belief-in-God, by your very own standard, makes one inherently more likely to be a better citizen and to **NOT** commit crimes.

But logic and bigotry rarely influence each other. I doubt this instance will prove any different.