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Go for it K. K. Since we're so concerned about constitutional abuses, let's ask the little messiah to produce a valid US birth certificate.

Watch out, Neo...your ignorance is showing...AGAIN.

K.K., that ship has sailed...move on.

I'm not sure being called 'ignorant' by a former participant in the public zoo system that graduates illiterates who cannot name the three branches of government is an insult...

Heh-

My wife just blurted out an uncharacteristic guffaw (did I really type that?).

Apparently Fox News just deep fried Obama's porkulus bill.

MMMMMMMmmmmmm.. deep fried pork.

Gonna fire up my smoker and see what I can do with my copy of the Omnibus Spending Bill.

The Obama regime will not pursue any investigations into the Bush debacle. They may be stupid, but they aren't ....

Remember what Mama taught you? People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones? The more lucid democrats, who are able to see that the current administration has a good chance of going down in flames, don't want a Kenneth Starr style inquiry.

A precedent of tampering with our Consitution was set long before Bush was born.

" If we do not have responsibility from our leaders and they are not brought to account, we will continue to have leadership that tampers with our Constitution and civil liberties."

We do not, they will not and they will.

Accountability is owed:
I skipped the t in Constitution, sorry.

"If we do not have responsibility from our leaders and they are not brought to account,..."

I thought the writer was describing Obama and Congress when I read the first part of this sentence.

let's ask the little messiah to produce a valid US birth certificate........so, Neo, you believed the email? Guess you also bought the Ayers association would keep him from being in the FBI, he is a Muslim, he will take your guns away. Those who bought those stories and still tell them are pitiful.

No, miss molly, I've never recieved any e-mails concerning this.

I believe the chosen one's paternal grandmother and half brother who say they were present at His birth in Kenya.

Your savior is an illegal alien.

Be patient Neo, when the media turns against this lying, Muslim, spineless sell-out, you'll get the last laugh.

The love affair will end when newspapers and TV no longer sell his message of hope but then sells the wrath against him.

Trust me.

neo, would you provide me with links to these quotes and other relevant material? I'd like to look into it.

Ahh, neo, so you harp about people not knowing the three branches of government, however, you are sorely mistaken about Obama's status. It doesn't matter if he was born in Hawaii or Kenya, Boston or Paris. If his mother was an American citizen, which she was, then he is an American citizen, no matter where he was born. He will remain an American citizen until the day he turns 18, at which point he can then decide which country he chooses to be a citizen of. So drop the whole "Obama's not a citizen" crap. You don't have a leg to stand on.

chick, as I don't think you stupid, I'll blame the public education system for your ignorance on this matter. Do the research.

Same to you, rahrah. Do the research. Even the liberals' bible "Snopes.com' is not clear on this, even though they bend over backwards to justify hope 'n change's legitimacy.

It's says a lot about the 'commander in chief' (that's a joke) when the military questions His legitimacy:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89837

I've looked at it before and come to different conclusions than you, but I'd like to read the same stuff you are reading.

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/07/05/is-obama-a-natural-born-citizen/

Assuming that Barack Obama was born in Kenya as neocon asserts, here is the applicable US Law determining citizenship.

"The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

...
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods ...rules for military... or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date."

http://law.onecle.com/uscode/8/1401.html

Essentially, the requirements are:

-One Parent is a citizen.
-That Parent was physically present in the US or outlying possessions for at least 5 (non-continuous) years prior to birth.
-At least 2 of these years occurred after the Parent was 14.
-Rules effective after Dec. 24 1952

So, assuming Barack Obama was born in Kenya (and I don't believe that he was), he would still be a natural born citizen of the United States of America.

The applicable law if he was born in Hawaii:

"(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;"

Here he only needs a parent that is a citizen that has been physically present in the US or outlying possessions for a continuous 1 year prior to the birth.
Either way: US Citizen.

The federal law states that: “…if only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.”

"Obama’s mother was 18 years-old when Barack was born. This means that it may be impossible for her to meet this requirement. "Five" years "after the age of 16" would mean that she would have to be 21 at the time of Barack's birth in order to automatically qualify her son for U.S. citizenship"

Just a little glitch, I know. The constitution is full of such nonsense.

But not to worry, rahrah. This will never unseat hope 'n change. Law becomes subjective under democratic rules. The democratic machine in Hawaii has sealed the vault where Barry's 'certificate of live birth' supposedly resides.

Molene, I hope you're right, but before the media turns against this lying, Muslim, spineless sell-out, there will be blood in the streets from the revolution and the media will be simply trying to align itself with the winner.

"g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:"

http://www.uscis.gov/propub/ProPubVAP.jsp?dockey=c9fef57852dc066cfe16a4cb816838a4

That's the law, neo. I don't know where you're getting your 'law' from. Mine is from the US Citizenship and Immigration Services website.

one parent that's a citizen lived in the US for at least 5 non-consecutive years...2 (that's TWO) of which were after the age of 14 (FOURTEEN).

This is applicable to all births on or after Dec. 24 1952. What criteria are not met by Barack Obama and his momma?

from that link, Act 301 is the relevant portion.

rahrah, the sticking point is that hope 'n change's mother was a minor at the time of His birth. The law AT THAT TIME excludes the chosen one from being a 'natural born citizen' if the father was not a citizen (which he wasn't) and the mother was a minor (which she was) and if the savior was born on foreign soil.

Also, there are questions surrounding his 'dual citizenship' with Indonesia. 'Dual citizenship' disqualifies Him from holding the office.

This is easy enough to clear up. All the little messiah has to do is produce a legitimate live birth certificate from the state of Hawaii...not the copy posted on 'Fact Check.org', (an arm of the democratic party) or 'Obama's site, 'stop the rumors.org' or whatever it's called, (an arm of the communist party) and show proof of His denouncement of Indonesia citizenship.

But to each his own. Believe what you want. A live certificate of birth with the hospital and witness' signature will suffice, but these are not being produced. Wonder why?

John McCain was born in 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, Panama.

Neo, There can be no revolution if Obama has all our guns...

miss molly, do yourself a favor and don't ever tell anyone their ignorance is showing...AGAIN.

Molene, I don't think it will get to the point of the bamster confiscating the guns. The revolution will come as a result of president Buckwheat robbing the worker bees to feed the shiftless and chronic lazy.

Barack Obama's momma was born November 29, 1942. Barack Obama was born August 4, 1961. You can look that up.

By my calculations, that puts his mother at a few months shy of 19 when Barack was born...or in other words, older than 18, or in other words, not a minor. Not that I've seen any language in the citizenship law that says anything requiring that the mother must have reached the age of majority, anyway....

You'll have to tell me more about this dual citizenship stuff. I'll look into it as well.

"Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawaii being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawaii. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aforementioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office."

More here:

http://www.michnews.com/Vincent_Gioia/vg2959.shtml

As I said, believe what you want. There are literally dozens of lawsuits filed across the country challenging hope 'n change's eligibility to hold the office. Many of them are retired military officers and respectable, responsible citizens, not tin hatters.

And, yet, as I've clearly shown you from the US Citizenship and Immigration Office, that is clearly NOT US law. US Law clearly, CLEARLY states that if a person is born outside the US or it's possessions that one parent must be a citizen and have lived in the US for 5 years, 2 after the age of 14. I've shown you the law on the government website. That is US law..not 10 years, 5 after 16.

In fact I can't find an instance when the law was 10 years, 5 after 16. Before 1986 the law was 10 years, 5 after 14...but the law in 1986 was made retroactive to 1952, covering our President Barack Obama in the case he was born outside of the United States or its outlying possessions.

So call me ignorant, but it's you who hasn't gone to the source...the laws of the United States....to find the truth...you've just been to some right wing, sour grapes blogs.

Of course, all of this is moot. Obama has provided a Birth Certificate showing he was born in Hawaii to a US Citizen parent, making him a US citizen. There's a birth announcement from a newspaper published a week or so later. You just choose, against all contrary evidence, to believe that it is fake or manufactured. But, even in the case that it is fake, Barack Obama, our President, is still a natural born US Citizen under US Law.

Anyone can file a lawsuit for anything, neo. 'Literally dozens of filed lawsuits' mean nothing unless they come to fruition and the plaintiffs win their cases.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/

but I guess I'll stop trying to convince you because, apparently it's impossible.

I've not called you ignorant. And no, you won't convince me. And no, they won't lead to fruition because the little messiah has a bottomless war chest now.

"I'll blame the public education system for your ignorance on this matter. Do the research.

Same to you, rahrah."

forgive me if i've misconstrued.

this conspiracy mumbo jumbo doesn't wear well on you (or anyone else) and erodes your credibility.

You misconstrued. But it may have been my fault. Apologies.

I insult no one, unprovoked.

Ms. Dunn tells me my ignorance is showing, then informs us that McCain was born in Panama, suggesting he is in the same boat as the little messiah. (HELLO??!!)

There are legitimate questions surrounding the little messiah's eligibility. Many of His political enemies have caved on the subject due to 'the harm it do to the country' if it were found out He was indeed not constitutionally fit to serve.

Oh, and I don't comment here or anywhere else to try and boost my 'credibility' ratings with liberals. I'll start to lose sleep when the likes of Carrol Dunn start telling me they agree with me.