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There is a forum for every black event/cause: ie., National Forum for Black Public Administrators

WTF people . . .

The Real Black Forums:

National Forum for Blacks who want to run a white Police Chief outta your town . . . (paied by your tax dollars) . . .
National Forum for Black Thugisim.
National Forum for Black People who hate other races.
National Forum for Black Women on how to throw attitude (snap snap)
National Forum for Blacks on how to rob on the street corner
National Forum for Blacks on how to punk in jail
National Forum for Blacks on how Rob the Wachovia and shoot police and have your mother deny it was you . . .
National Forum for Blacks on how collect welfare and drive a Bently . . .
National Forum for Blacks on how to rob spanish folks, 'cause they never call the police . . .
There is a forum for every black event/cause: ie., National Forum for Black Public Administrators

. . . bunch of idots . . .

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There is a forum for every black event/cause: ie., National Forum for Black Public Administrators

WTF people . . .

The Real Black Forums:

National Forum for Blacks who want to run a white Police Chief outta your town . . . (paied by your tax dollars) . . .
National Forum for Black Thugisim.
National Forum for Black People who hate other races.
National Forum for Black Women on how to throw attitude (snap snap)
National Forum for Blacks on how to rob on the street corner
National Forum for Blacks on how to punk in jail
National Forum for Blacks on how Rob the Wachovia and shoot police and have your mother deny it was you . . .
National Forum for Blacks on how collect welfare and drive a Bently . . .
National Forum for Blacks on how to rob spanish folks, 'cause they never call the police . . .
There is a forum for every black event/cause: ie., National Forum for Black Public Administrators

. . . bunch of idots . . .

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The above 2.5 posts are pathetic, but I do have a question. Perhaps conundrum can chime in.

It's commendable that any person including black people get an education and serve in public administration. Likely good job security as well.

But how does it serve people in this organization to segregate themselves from other peers? Why not a National Forum for Public Administrators?

Why should blacks need a special forum for Black Public Administrators? Do blacks conduct their business any different than whites and if they do, why?

Oh silly me all I have to do is look at "our gang" county commissioners to answer my own question.

I'll answer for Conundrum, Dan.

It would be tough for motels and restaurants in the host cities to expect full occupancy if whites were included.

It's probably agreed beforehand which hotel is farthest from electrical wires so as to hire a sanitizing crop duster after the event.

Pathetic is right, Dan. As soon as I saw the word "black" in the title of this ltte, I knew that some of the usual bottom feeders would crawl out of their holes to be the first ones on the block to spew out their racist venom.

It really doesn't matter what the subject matter is as long as these few low-life's get a chance to show the world just how ignorant they are.

BTW, I'm not black, but as a kid I had to put up with similar verbiage for years because I was a different nationality and religion then most of the kids in my school.

Dan, it doesn't serve the people in the organization at all when they segregate themselves. And I agree that there should just be a National Forum for Public Administrators.

It's difficult to become a cohesive public body when some of your members are segregating themselves from the rest of the group. That's not to say that the council members shouldn't have there own voice, but they need to all work towards the same goal of working for the people of this city.

Now, I have a bone to pick. Is it just me, or is the N&R running out of ltte's to print? I am so sick of the same letters over and over again. It reminds me of the kid in school who always did his project on the same thing every year. Boring!!!!!

And so I ask "new-sense," what would be the reaction of blacks if the forum was called National Forum for White Public Administrators?

And if you're as honest as you aren't racist, then are my words nearly as harsh as those would be?

Good luck.

Thanks for the response rescuechick. Curiosity bit me and I wondered if there is a similar group for Hispanics, lo and behold there is:

http://www.nahpa.com/

Asian? Couldn't find it.

Gay? Couldn't find it either.

Women? Nope.

White? Not on your life.

General for everyone regardless of who you are:

http://www.aspanet.org/scriptcontent/index.cfm

I thought the field of public administration was to serve all citizens of a community regardless of race, gender, creed, etc. Why do they segregate themselves? Would a white person be turned down if they attempted to join one of these groups or attend their meeting?

I don’t know the history surrounding the National Forum for Black Public Administrators, but, most black professional organizations, such as the National Forum for Black Public Administrators, were created because the white professional organizations did not want their black counterparts joining their organizations. Regardless of their educational attainment, blacks were not welcomed in white professional organizations. The National Medical Association was established by black physicians because white physicians did not want them in the AMA. As a matter of fact, the AMA recently apologized for their behavior towards black doctors. Black public schools, colleges and universities were created because whites would not allow blacks into most of their public schools, universities and colleges. You can’t get upset with people when you’ve made them feel distinct and odd from the word “go,” and then expect them to dismantle all of the organizations, clubs and groups that they created because you didn’t want them in your groups and clubs. Keep in mind that this lasted for 335 plus years and then overnight, you expect them to feel like part of the group. That’s kind of schizophrenic isn’t it?

Conundrum,

If you were a white, dignified, educated, classy member of any group, would you want a ghetto blasting, lawsuit seeking, chicken bone molesting, placard from naacp wearing gangsta to sit next to you?

And if any group has discriminated since '64, I'm sure there ain't enough blue gum lawyers to fill the need.

You have a win/win mentality for blacks as long as whitey is to blame.

In a former life, I was the one on the beach at Charleston waving the ships back the other way.

conundrum
Your own words say it all; were created, did not want, was established, were not welcomed, would not allow. All of these phrases are PAST TENSE. They are in the past. So YES I can expect these Black organizations to stop their own form of racism and disband. You cannot on one hand blame Whites for segregation, and on the other segregate yourselves from whites. I cannot even say these things without being called a racist (WHICH I AM NOT). These groups are MUCH more racist than I have ever been.

Wow. Just.......wow. Sad, really.

Good points, conundrum.

When I was getting my graduate degree, I was doing an internship with an elderly black gentleman who had reached the apex of his professional career.

I had always harbored a certain sense of pride at my accomplishments in life, regarding education. First in my family and all that. Made my own way. No one helped me. Did it myself and all that.

In working with my mentor, though, it became clear to me that, likewise, no one had helped him. Not only that, but that there were institutions in place to actively harm him. While in my life no one was going out of their way to help me, I did not have people going out of their way to interfere with me. He did. His accomplishments will remain greater than mine.

He went to Howard University. He couldn't have gone to the school that I was attending. They wouldn't have had him, honestly. How would he not have an overwhelming sense of community and gratitude towards Howard? His family would feel the same way towards Howard.

The organizations that assisted this gentleman became dear to him, his family, and his peers. The provided opportunities at a time when other organizations were actively denying them. Organizations like that really can't be dissolved once the others realize they have been acting like jackasses.

Now, more specific, is sending a county commissioner to CA worthwhile or a boondoggle? I don't really know. Don't know what type of training is being offered and what is needed. It seems like a bit expensive of a trip to me, but I imagine that the county can surely waste a whole lot more money in other venues. My skepticism is rather laissez-fair.

I just can't bring myself to care about this trip too much. Sorry.

I'm all for starting an organization to stop black folk from segragating everyone else from themselves.

Gonna call it The Black Folks Can't Help Themselves Association - Teach Us.

First thing we're gonna do is lobby to stop these stupid black racist letters from showing up here . . .

. . . what a waste trying to even justify this crap . . . don't know anyone that's been around "335 plus years" suffering, boo-freak'in-hoo . . .

Molene Gunch, I think the names of those organizations will change in time, but my original gripe with you and Peterman is that you guys can't seem to get your point across without regurgitating every known racist epithet you can think of.

It's a sign of immaturity and a glance into the way you both were raised. I only hope you two don't have any kids to follow in your footsteps.

Thanks for the response conundrum. I can understand the historic need and thus creation of these organizations but we've come a long way since those days and it seems that these groups would no longer be relevant. Do you think they still serve a purpose?

Beachwalker has a point, it seems contradictory that members of such groups likely applaud desegregation yet they willfully segregate themselves. Perhaps it's so they don't have to deal with people like JPRT and Molene.

Are you a member of any trade or other groups that are specifically for black people? If so, do you know if they would allow a white person to join their group?

I don't work in public administration, but I'm curious to know if I would be turned down if I applied for membership to this group and they discovered I was white. I looked at the NFBPA membership application form and it didn't have a field for race.

Dan,

While I cannot speak on behalf of all of the organizations that have a "Black" moniker in front of their name, I can safely state that a vast majority of them will accept members from any race. For example NAACP has many white members, and so do a number of other prominent black organizations. In fact, all non-religious non-profit organizations are required to comply with the US anti-discrimination laws, otherwise they may loose their non-profit status. Unsurprisingly, all organizations, profit or non-profit, must not discriminate based on race or any other protected basis (i.e. national origin, disability, age, etc) in making their hiring decisions.

J Peterman said, "I'm all for starting an organization to stop black folk from segragating everyone else from themselves."

Dude, it's people like you who are the reason blacks maintain their own organizations. When folks like you dry up and blow away, then separate organizations won't be necessary.

Critical Thinker correctly pointed out many white people belong to organizations like NAACP--in fact it was co-founded by whites who saw through the hypocrisy of Jim Crow.

Also, fyi, many women were forced to form their own professional organizations because their male counterparts did not want to open the clubhouse.

I look forward to the deal when segregation, even if self segregation ends. I do think some groups wear the victim moniker too much (including women). But there are also genuine reasons why marginalized groups self organize--to network, to fight for their legal rights, to create opportunities for the next generation.

new-sense,

You never answered my question.

Try again.

new-sense,

It's Tuesday morning dammit! Now answer me!

Lay off non-sense. He was called names in school.
(Probably the only kid in America that suffered such a trauma)

"And so I ask "new-sense," what would be the reaction of blacks if the forum was called National Forum for White Public Administrators?"

Wow, MG, don't get your panties in a wad! I don't want you to lose any more sleep because of me, so here's my take on your question. If the titles were reversed, I'm sure the black community would be pissed. But for that to happen, the whites would've had to be the ones oppressed for centuries instead of the blacks, and that isn't the case. Therefore, your question is moot.

Thanks new-sense.

So then why do blacks spend more money on hair straightener than they do rent?

Why do they want to look like the very ones who've oppressed them?

No, the forum is called such so us white peepas will always be reminded of what we've done to the brethren.

Just remember, when the slaves got off the ships, they were crying ooga ooga and it scared the little white kids right away. And though a few have evolved (pardon the pun), many are now speaking far worse than the bantu jibberish that dribbled out 355 years ago.

Why is it I always feel like a black dude is going to pull out a gun and shoot me? It's because that's what he really wants to do. It takes the proper time and place. If I were on a dead-end road in niggertown, I'd die right then. But the usual street-lit whitesy decorum prevents their native (pardon the pun) impulse due to self-preservation.

Blacks are angry because they're having to look in the mirror, not for anything that white people did to them out of ignorance or superiority.

And until we clone 'em, blame the guy upstairs...

You are sick Molene. I have black friends, neighbors and clients who have no intention of shooting anyone, nor do they spend money on hair straightener. They are fellow human beings like you and me. You suck.

Thanks Dan, I knew you'd agree.