There was all sorts of fun debate over S 15 and S 35 today, bills filed by Sen. Rand and Sen. Hoyle in an effort to trim the length of legislative sessions. Both bills passed the Senate today.
The idea behind the bills is that General Assembly sessions run on too long, making it hard for members to plan their lives and giving the public the idea that the honorables are just down here frittering away time rather than working on the problems at hand.
Rand's bill would cut off per diem - the $100-plus dollars per day legislators are paid to keep themselves housed and fed while in Raleigh - after 135 days in the long legislative session. Hoyle's bill would create an early organizational session that would allow the legislature to appoint leaders and then recess for three weeks while top leaders appoint committees, move offices and what not.
You can debate the merits of either measure. On per diem, there's something to be said for providing a financial incentive for the honorables to get their work done and get home.
Of course, there's also an argument, put forward by Sen. Martin Nesbitt, that cutting off payments merely punishes rank and file members who don't set the agenda. After all, it's the legislative leaders who are usually cutting the big deals on the budget and other items at the end of session.
Cutting off per diem, Nesbitt argues, will just make it that much harder for those who aren't retired or independently wealthy to serve in Raleigh, he said.
All of that is kind of moot since House leaders don't seem to be going for it. That's pretty much to be expected, because the House has either ignored or voted down similar efforts over the past couple decades.
When I asked Rep. Hugh Holliman, the Majority Leader, whether the House would be more kindly disposed this year, he gave me a quick answer: "no."
He elaborated a little bit, saying that the legislature shouldn't send the signal that it’s rushing through work, particularly in a year when the problems will be so tough to crack.
"People are pretty anxious to get out of here when the time comes," Holliman said.
Rep. Bill Owens, the Rules Chairman, didn't seem to hold out a lot of hope for the measures either. He worried that having more hurried sessions could put more power in the hands of professional staff members, rather than giving legislators time to craft bills.
And Speaker Hackney has said several times that he does not consider the organizational time at the beginning of session wasted. He said it is useful for members to hear reports on the budget and get to know one another.
So don't expect to hear much about the session limits bills again, at least not from the House.