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What group is Joe S associated with? Just curious.

And why do they care-- its not in their neighborhood, Murrow was born here and left when he was three, he had nothing to do with education in this area (or any area)-- and sounds like someone has been pumping up the votes-- usually after things are off the front page, no one visits-- sounds fishy to me. I can assure the readers of this blog that the people in the NW and NE area stand solidly behind the name of North

I just looked at the poll, now really believe someone has been padding that vote-- no offense, but there have never been that many active bloggers here-- that is over 300 voters. I can only hope that the BOE realizes that padding of the vote is going on. Maybe the polls should be fixed so you only get one vote!

I think Joe may have fallen asleep on the keyboard and thus the large amount of votes

Well Debora, if it's any consolation, the school board never listens to voters anyway.

And to answer Joe's question... "When is there enough?" When they name this school Northern they will have completed the compass, and that will be enough! Then Joe can lobby for the next school built on his side of the county (Southeast) to be named after Mickey Mouse, or whoever else he and "his people" want. I am still bothered by the fact that he is one the Northern School committee in the first place. The only "stake" he has in that school is that he is a taxpayer in Guilford County. He doesn't live anywhere near it!

Kim,

Sad but true, you're looking at the future of the new philosophy of Guilford County Schools. You say that "he doesn't live anywhere near it"--and I agree with you. And I agree with you when you say the board does not listen. (I've directed them all to FREE hearing screenings at Sears.)

But back to your statement, the future holds that NO ONE will live near their schools anymore. If this administration gets their way, kids will be criss-crossing this town from dusk till dawn. Some even off to the MALL! for crying out loud. The term "neighborhood" school will have the same meaning for future generations in this county as "rotary phone". They won't know what you're talking about.

Soon they'll just have to install lights on the school buses, AND bathrooms, because that's all our kids will know.

Re: "I just looked at the poll, now really believe someone has been padding that vote-- no offense, but there have never been that many active bloggers here-- that is over 300 voters..."
Keep in mind most people who go to a blog Web site such as the Chalkboard don't add comments (The Chalkboard generates thousands of page views a month.).
Some more Web-savvy participants may have figured out a loophole that lets them vote more than once, but the poll software was designed to prevent that from happening.
Having said that, I'll be the first to tell you the polls aren't scientific and should be viewed with a hefty grain of salt.

I agree that more people read than post, but my quote did say "active"-- Its good to know that the poll software is set up to allow only one vote- do you work for the newspaper? How do you know this?

ditto all the above

Keep in mind, Bruce B said that the polls are not scientific. This proves his point. This is definitely a padded survey.

Also why oh why does Joe S ALWAYS get to speak last at board meetings. I think some of you who are speaking at the next board meeting should take a turn at "last" sometime.

No one has still answered "what group". What group does he present?

Before I had read all these comments above, I was thinking this while I took my daughter to school:
They have already p.o.'ed the HP parents with the Fat Chance Plan; they have angered the parents of the A/L by changing that program; Grimsley parents - still a toss up there - but if grant money is involved they will probably lose what they want too; now you might as well make the NW parents mad.

Whoever said the idea of crisscrossing and no neighborhood school is right. To give a group who lives there and whose school it is for now would be very fair. Let them name it. But by giving the school a "name" shows that no one has ownership to a "neighborhood" school. They will do what they want to make a point that it belongs to GC and not the NW parents. All GCS are "equal" - what a crock!

While millions are spent on some schools, thousands of kids still go to school in trailers -not even trailers that match - two tone paint on some and ones that blow away in a tornado and where kids fight the elements on bad days.

To visitors of this county our schools are an embarrassment. This should never have been allowed to get this way for so long.

Kim,

You are right! It is enough when the compass is finished.

MAKE SURE YOU ALL GO TO "APRIL ARCHIVES" THE OTHER STRANDS ARE STILL CONTINUING even though these "new" ones appear and take up space.

Debora,

Yes, Mike is the News & Record's Web site editor. He knows the ins-and-outs of this site better than anyone!

Thanks Bruce!

Keep in mind - naming a school may be very important to those whose kids may get to attend. I truly understand that. But in the end, this will in no way affect your child's future; their current education; or your pocketbook as a taxpayer; and you won't have to move, transfer, go private or homeschool if the board goes against you great northwest folks.

Let's not let this issue divert us from the other important battles: i.e., busing of HP and possible the rest of the county later; the BUDGET and what is important to you as a taxpayer; wasting money on ministries that question separation of church and state and spend $500 of taxpayer money.

Please see letter in N & R today - a MUST READ - "Racism workshops playing blame game" - it is appalling to think $500K would be spend on this base on what some university professors have reported who attended these "trainings".

Debora, esp thank you for all your great posts, research and for speaking up at School Baord meetings. You are an inspiration for many of us when we get tired.

Regarding...."padding the vote".

After reading about the increase in votes for Murrow, I decided to see if you could vote more than once. I had voted previously for Northern. This morning I was allowed to vote again. I can assure you that I am about as far from "web-savvy" as possible. I did nothing, but click on vote and I was allowed to participate.

Kim, I agree...let's finish the compass points and then that will be enough.

Hmmm...I'll check on that, Kay. The poll is supposed to block people from voting twice.

But even if that works, none of these online polls are fool-proof. It's good to keep that in mind: these are good conversation-starters and voting can be fun. They aren't scientific polls by any means, though.

Barbara Ann,

I respect your opionions, agree with most of them, and am very sympathetic to the plight in HP, but... this particular thread is about the name of the high school in the North. Just because it will not "impair our children's education" dosen't mean we shouldn't talk about it. If we truly want to direct change in next year's election we must discuss lots of things. They are all remnants of the current management style of the GCS system. Exposing the flaws will only boost advocacy, activism and hopefully VOTING!!

And Bruce, I was allowed to vote twice too.

Folks -- To respond to questions about the polling software the News & Record uses:

a.) The News & Record disclaims any warranty of accuracy with regards to anonymous polls conducted by News-Record.com and other News & Record Web products.

b.) The software we use to conduct the polls uses a fairly common, simplistic approach to limiting vote padding, but it merely makes it inconvenient to vote more than once, not impossible.

c.) If you attempt to vote more than once and have not taken steps to actively thwart the protections against repeat voting, the poll will not complain or display an error; it simply doesn't count your vote (compare the vote count shown in the results *before* you vote to that shown after).

Our intent with informal Web polls is to give folks an interactive experience on our site and provide a topic of conversation, not conduct a serious, carefully planned, statistically valid survey. While we appreciate your concerns, we'd much rather risk a little vote rigging than make our users jump through hoops before they can participate in a simple poll.

KIm

Agreed. Whatever issues we can make the public aware of is a plus.

Knowledge is power.

By all of us working together perhaps one day we can change the face of the School Board and really help our kids.

Mr. Paschal,

Thank you for the information on the polls. It is interesting. I agree that polls are a plus and should continue. They make good conversation. I do however hope that the N&R staff will refrain from making the results of these polls newsworthy since you have said it is possible for a little "vote rigging" to take place. I would be upset to see poll results on the front page that could influence public and elected official opinions. Especially since it is not the N&Rs intent to "conduct a serious, carefully planned, statistically valid survey."

Thank you again for the update on how the polls work.

Naming a school in GC is easy. Call it whatever you want whenever you want.
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Mr. Paschal:

Kim is right. We know how the newspapers have been used in the past on many occasions for "PR" purposes rather than both sides of a story.

The are not scientific surveys as you said; just a fun thing.

I would still like an answer to "What group is Joe S associated with" who keeps pursuing this name?

Barbara Ann,

I don't know what the group is that Joe says is trying to name the new high school after Murrow. I'll ask him next time I see him.

Thanks Jen - we are just curious why they care so much.

Jennifer,

Time to change the name of this post to "Northern takes the Lead"

Sorry, Joe.

Just to let everyone know; they have the naming of the new HS on the agenda for the BOE on Thursday. I have high hopes the BOE will listen to the community-- I know, I know.... I did say "hope" :)))))

In naming a school, the more ideas the better. All of the citizens will pay for the school. Why should we pay and have no input? There is no doubt that Northern does not have the acceptance thruout the county and you might hope. I have had suggest to me that all the Compass Schools should renamed. (I am not going there.) I want the best not only for my children but for your children. I believe we can do best when we reach out and listen to each other. What I have been doing is public and open. Some say that the PTA's and Booster Clubs are for "Northern". If that is so, why did they not want both sides of the issue aired. My name is a great role model like James B. Dudley. Do you not think role models are important in learning and advancing in School.

Joe,
The county high schools were, for the most part, named by compass points. Other than Ragsdale, I can't think of another with a person's name. Why don't we just finish it up.

It does help people to know what area of the map to look on when searching for a school. Who would know where Falkener or Lindley are by hearing the name?

Knowing that Murrow came from the Pleasant Garden area, it would seem to me that the southeast area should have the honor of using his name. Why not let Southeast High School name a building or room after him?

Now that we are finishing up the compass points...what next? Maybe South.SouthEast,North NorthWest! Just a thought.

Joe and others,
I told Joe up front that we disagreed on this issue-- we have agreed in the past on lots of things, but I think its time to let the BOE make this decision and then we can move on to other things that will be more than entertaining(sarcacism meant here)-- for one the budget, another sodexho, another the proposed magnet school policy and procedure being brought up this week. Joe and I both serve on the "North" HS project team, and I am sure he will agree that there are lots of issues associated with this effort and we will probably agree on some and disagree on others! onward and upward!

I am the community member that spoke last Tuesday at the school board meeting referenced in Jennifer's article above. I know the naming of the new high school in our community is minor compared to other things that are going on within GCS now. I feel for the folks who are involved in the High Point Choice Plan -- having family members who didn't get their first choice. What I am trying to do as a parent is make this new high school situation an easier transition for our children. The communities of the Northwest and Northeast schools have allot of folks that have a "family tradition" of attending their schools. Most of mine and my husband's family graduated from what was known as Summerfield High School or Northwest High and my husband and I both attended Laughlin, Summerfield, Northwest Middle and graduated from Northwest High. Our children thought they would follow tradition and do so as well. This is a touchy subject with our children and by naming the school Northern it would give the students who would have attended Northwest or Northeast ownership in the name. This school is being built to relieve the overcrowding of Northwest and Northeast and I don't understand why anyone who is not a member of our part of the county would care what the school is named. Yes, they are taxpayers, but most of the folks who are in support of a "name" instead of a "compass point" will probably never step foot in the doors of this school, but our children will every school day for 4 years and will have to use the name of this school for sporting events, on college applications, resumes, etc. No matter what name is given to this school, I'm sure the students will be proud, but I feel it would be an easier transition to the students and families if the name is similar to the school they were supposed to attend. I submitted to the project team over 300 signatures plus signed endorsements (that were motions and votes from the general parent PTA & PTSA meetings) from Summerfield Laughlin PTA (membership of 950) and Northwest Middle School PTSA (membership of 1557) plus the verbal endorsement from the president of Monticello Brown Summit PTA. That totals over 2800 parents, students, grandparents, and other citizens that are in support of the name Northern Guilford. I am not opposed to naming a school in honor of a person, if that person has in someway contributed to education within Guilford County Schools. The person who the other group is proposing to name the school after has never in any shape or form had any association with Guilford County Schools. My 6th grade son took it upon himself to research this person on the internet and has made the same comment to me. He wanted to know why someone would want to name a school after someone who has not helped his school system. When you name a school after a person, years from now if some child was to ask "Who is the person that my school is named after?" it would be great if someone could say, "They were a person of great significance in Guilford County Schools."

I think of ALFRED P. Murrow when I hear the name "Murrow". Now THAT is NOT something that I would like to remember. In fact, it was exactly 10 years ago, that the building was bombed in Oklahoma.

But, since so many people like the "NORTHERN" name, the obvious choice for the board of education will be "Murrow". They always do the opposite of what the people want. So, if you want the name to be "Northern" you better go speak at the school board meeting and say that you like the name "Murrow".

Think they would consider naming it General Slak High School? The mascot can be the "Slackers".

Slakattak seems to be more involved and concerned about Guilford County schools than Murrow ever was.

Mr. Stafford, In all due respect, there is NO COMPARISON between E.R. Murrow and James B. Dudley! Dr. Dudley was born a slave in this state. He had to fight an uphill battle to obtain an education and to become an educator himself. He served this state and Guilford County for decades!! Guilford County owes Dr. Dudley a deep debt of gratitude. Naming a high school after him was a small gesture compared to what he did for this area, and for what he did for education. His name means something here, especially in the Dudley High School community. What would the name Murrow mean to the northern county area? Nothing! To compare Dudley to Murrow is not relevant. To name a school after Murrow has no relevance either. MURROW DID NOTHING FOR GUILFORD COUNTY! If you are opposed to compass point names that's fine. But at least come up with a name that has meaning to the students who will attend the school.

James B. Dudley is a great name. I am glad the BOE in 1928 had the wisdom and courage to use it. James B. Dudley impact was not only in East Greensboro but throughout the country. He was a superstar.

Edward R. Murrow impact was also throughout the nation and to some extent throughout the world. He talker millions of citizens about the build-up to World War II and the plight of the Europeans before, during and after the war. He told us about the Nazi death camps and the awful cost of war. This information was vital to the families back home.

He was a great educator. He was the greatest broadcast journalist that we have ever known.

What did A. Lincoln do for education in Guilford County? The better question is what has "Northern" done for education in Guilford County?

I think Delane has made a great case.

Why does someone who will probably never set foot in this school care so much about the name? I just don't get it.

It would be nice to have kids follow in tradition of their parents and have "North" somewhere in the name and a kind of "uniting." But based on what someone said about the board doing the opposite, they are probably right and will not pick Northern. They don't care what parents want.

Also this would be symbolic of people taking "ownership" in THEIR school and having a neighborhood school. I don't think GCS wants that anymore - you might get too "attached" to your school before crosstown busing comes into play. The less attached you are, the easier the PR it will be for the School Board. You see how prinipals move a lot; same for kids.

I remember Joe's speech quite well the night of the busing fiasco school board meeting. He did not seem to agree with parent after parent who were appalled at what had happened the first day of school and told horror stories of how their kids were missing on buses for hours; when Mr. Parker held up the busing schedule with the times that where put out by the school board meeting and were WAY OFF, etc.

So in true board fashion, it will probably be Murrow. They already have the HP parents mad at them; the A/L parent mad at them; what's another group under their belt? After all, it is not an election year.

Hey Joe,

"Northern" provided the land to build the school.

Northern; vote 10-1

I read in the N & R the vote was 8-3 - now I hope the N & R didn't have this wrong too.

CONGRATULATIONS to Debra, Kim, Delane, Chris and all you other Yanks!

Be careful - read in the newspaper there will still be public hearings on the name - for what reason? Certain people may come out to say that "Northern" is the name of toilet tissue so you better look up a bunch of educators named "Northern" and dust off all those boom boxes to play some speeches.

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All names are left out in cyberspace for feedback as per GCS policy. Darlene made a motion for Northern and Dot made a substitute motion for Murrow. Dot, and Amos and Kris (she said she hit wrong button)-- so Murrow failed 2-9; then the original motion passed 10-1 with Amos voting with the majority for Northern, with Dot against.

After 21 days the board will take a final vote-- they usually go with their original plan, but nothing is sealed until then.

Thanks for clarifying the vote Deb.

Maybe Jen can run a correction in the N & R.

Barbara Ann,

I apologize. I did get the vote wrong on Murrow. It was 9-2. Kris did say she voted wrong on that one and they changed the vote. I corrected it in my notes but forgot to update it in the story.

I apologize for the error.

What matters is the NORTHERN vote 10-1 - Dot K voting against.

Who cares about the Murrow vote now - is that significant?

Just like a person we met on vacation once while playing miniature golf said to my daughter who was first that year in selling Girl Scout Cookies....He said "Who was second?" He told her that her reply should be, "Who cares?"

Get the point.

Just shows the first poll was also UNSCIENTIFIC as are the other polls.

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