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Bruce,

Let me begin by saying I, like others, was excited to hear Alan Duncan say that GCS was going to review the entire county. He also asked that the administration develop a plan that ELIMINATED Free and Reduced Lunch (FRL) status as a determinent for placement. He then said he wanted an alternative that gives High Point a "Weaver-like" alternative.

Sounds promising until you consider the set up.

#1) SW High School's new addition includes a substantial sum for upgrading the theatrical facilities.

#2) Ragsdale and Jamestown Middle have been pushed to the bottom of the construction list (they simply won't happen under the current outlook....... can someone say new bond $$ opportunity)

#3) From the beginning GCS has NOT been able to justify bussing kids that could walk to school

With these three situations in place Mr Duncan's "solution" will be to take ALL OF THE GULIFORD COLLEGE ROAD CORRIDOR AND MOST OF FLORENCE ELEMENTARY ATTENDDEES AND SEND THEM TO ANDREWS.

That's ALL Dot and Susan have wanted from day one.

Over a year and a half ago a more logical solution was presented to the GCS board by the initial group of parents ivolved in Adults Believing in Children (ABC).

The solution is:

#1) Make Andrews a "true" magnet school. Create the "world class" programs you dreamed of prior.
There are seats there for these programs.

#2) Take the money that HAS NOT BEEN SPENT @ SW for the theater upgrades and invest it @ Andrews.

#3) STOP hiring ROOKIES at Andews> The extra resources ($$$ and time) spent training a 29 year old rookie could be spent on TEACHER incentives. Hire a VETERAN LEADER. A true leader will be able to attract and retain quality teachers and LEAD Andrews back to a positionof prominence.

#4) Utilize the available resources. High Point Theater is a magnificant facility that goes UNUSED 90% of the time. Why not work with the City of High Point they way that GCS has begun to do (with an illegal meeting)on Simeon Stadium

#5) Penn Griffin Performing Arts Middle School is right up the street from both HP Central and Andrews. It's a natural flow.

#6) Creating a "magnet" at SW has NEVER made any sense. By definition "magnet" programs are put forth to attract attendence. SW has plenty of growth occurring around its' campus. It doesn't need to attract growth. It needs "regular" classroom seats, paid for by the taxpayers, to teach kids a "regular" curriculum.

Lastly, I want to say to ALL OF THE PARENTS ..... WAKE UP.

Mr. Duncan didn't ask for this specific of a plan without a predetermined agenda. Once again you will be asked to stand up for what the taxpaying citizens of this county have said is THEIR #1 priority...... SAFE,QUALITY, NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS.

Please e-mail the school board and let them know where you stand on this issue, BEFORE you get "MAPPED". They can be reached @

guilford.k12.nc.us/boe/members.htm

I believe that Tim is correct, major changes will be on the way. HP parents have had alot of crap over the last two years, but all of us paid for it with our tax dollars! And all of our children paid for it by losing things that might have been at their school, but the money went (over 7 million) to these high schools to make new programs. We must make our elected officials pay attention and think ahead before they make drastic changes. Long term plans and goals need to be implemented and directed towards our children getting a quality safe education. BOE keeps making new plans without a clear path. Make noise! Lets see if we can find out what the 'goal' is! Reduce transportation time and money would be good, but first we must keep our children safe and raise the education level to much higher than the minumum that we are currently seeing!

Tim,

You make a ton of sense. You always have. Although the word is that these imbeciles have just about driven you out of town, please don't go. We need you. Please consider a seat on the school board. They definitely need a brain and it's time that our kids had a real role-model.

God bless you for still giving a crap about all this.

See below the description of the improvements of Southwest High as described on the GCS website. I dont see anything about theatrical facilities.

"The proposed project includes 10 classroom additions, 4 science classrooms, and technology additions. The existing media center will be expanded into the adjacent 2 classrooms. These two classrooms will be replaced with a new addition. Other renovations include an auxiliary gym, a kitchen and cafeteria expansion, accessibility and life safety upgrades, heating and air conditioning upgrades, and furniture and equipment upgrades. Also inclulded in the renovations are upgrades to grading, paving and canopies. The project budget is $7,922,763."

Anyway the question I have is why they cant use FRL anymore ? Thats the basis for the HP school assignments isnt it? Somebody told me it was illegal now. If so since when?

I haven't heard it is illiegal, but Alan did say at the BOE (on tape) that the tools being used in the lottery to create the balance in socio-economica might not be available soon....

I thought that was interesting and will be trying to have my ear to the ground!

First to Little Z
The talk of my demise was almost accurate a year ago. However, it wasn't GCS that almost did me in.... it was a driver who ran the red light! By God's grace I'm still here and still concerned about what's happening in our schools.

More brown stuff is about to hit the fan and we (as taxpayer/parents/citizens) better be prepared to let our concerns be heard. We have as much right to our belief in "what's RIGHT for OUR kids" (i.e. NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS) as the parents at Grimsley, Dudley, Page, Central Andrews or any other school in the county.

To NEW's question around the theater upgrades.... an auxiallary gym or "gymautorium" as it's been referred to, would be used to implement the theatrical upgrades. Unfortunately, some other theatrical $$ has already been wasted at SW (included in the $7 mil. Debora referenced) Money for stage, sound and lighting enhancements for the auxiallary gym would be better used where the theater magnet is placed.

Again have your friends use
guilford.k12.nc.us/boe/members.htm
to let their voices be heard

Debora,

I've heard from some of the 149 that didn't get their first "choice" that a group has sought legal advice and collected data around this issue. They are set to prove that "socio-economic status", FRL, and race were used so interchagably in the board's discussions around the High Point lottery, that GCS simply used it a a proxy for race. That would be illegal and challengable in court.

it's interesting to see the superintendeant and board members catch themselves and try to change the wording in the next sentence. Thank God for the video tapes that were collected during that period. They might prove to be valuable.

Tim ,
you speak with much conviction that this WILL happen and that excites me.
Bruce, I was also heartened to see the quote from Kris Cooke. Has she finally become honest? It intrigues me as to why all of a sudden this is happenning. Is there something behind the scenes here that we dont know? Such as;

-Is the school board finally bending to public opinion? Cant be me thinks or they would of done it before.
-Is the business community putting pressure on? Realtors for instance who cant sell houses?
-Is there somekind of lawyer pressure from a reassigned parent? Citing the FRL as a basis for the lottery being illegal?

WHat else could it be?

I dont what it is but I am starting to feel good.

A High Point "Weaver Center" is one more magnet school at a time when we have not fully digested the new ones Dr. Grier put in. Is it not possible to go one year with out having a major rukus? The BOE loves redistricting and building new school issues. They want to do anything except address the poor achievement levels at some of our middle and high schools. If you look at the total time they are in session, very few minutes are devoted to acquiring, training and keeping the best teachers available. I have tried to get them to consider adjusting pay levels for certain types of teachers that would teach at high risk schools. No one seems interested. If you reread Alan's words carefully, I think the High Point plan is dead.
If it is dead, it is unfair for staff and etc. to move heaven and earth to make it work. The staff is in the middle with no help from BOE.

Joe,

How can we read Alan's words?

I think the writing is on the wall, but it won't happen this year.. too far into the lottery etc. Look for changes when new schools go online in '07-- of course HP isn't getting a new high school so that change could be done faster, but as Joe said; another change, and very little time or direction.

No, if it can be proven that they have done something illegal then they must change it now..

So Tim Mann is worried that the entire Jamestown corridor will be sent to Andrews. That has always been his concern from day one. He does not want the Jamestown families to have to go to Andrews even at the expense of the families of North High Point who should be allowed to go to their true neighborhood school, Southwest.

I also want to say to all of the parents of North High Point, WAKE UP! The Jamestown group will use you just to get their agenda met. If they truly believed in neighborhood schools, they would be okay with going to Andrews as it is just as far from their homes as Southwest is.

I have heard the Jamestown excuses as to why they should not be districted to Andrews. They even claim it is unsafe to travel on a bus down Eastchester to Andrews but I guess is not unsafe for them to travel down Wendover to go to Southwest or to travel down Eastchester to go to the mall.

I don't know what the BOE has in mind, but I hope we do allow for "true" neighborhood schools. That means Jamestown would not be at Southwest and the kids of North High Point would have an opportunity to fill their closest school.

Sandy

Sandy you know didly squat!

Andrews for one is not closer than SW from Jamestown. Drive it sometime!

The closest school is Ragsdale or even Western if we are talking neighborhood schools.

The problem is the SW end of town needs more school seats. Sooner or later the SW district needs another high school.

Who made you a mindreader/expert for know people's intentions???

Maybe you have been to one too many closed meetings with certain school board members.

To "New",

It has always been illegal. Just follow the current news in other school districts of what is happening when they tried similar busing plans in other parts of the U.S.

As for the timing, there are some people locally who now have lawyers on retainer to challenge this full steam ahead.

Things should get very interesting.

Sandy:

FYI No one goes to the mall in High Point either.

Sandy,

I think you need to re read Tim's original comments about suggestions that were made to the BOE over 1 1/2 years ago.

Arts magnet schools are ALWAYS located in inner city areas, to be close to downtown areas with theaters etc. It makes no sense to put them in cow pastures!

As far as your accusations about Jamestown, I must say I resent that. I am from Jamestown and stood side by side with many N. High Point families as we worked towards the same goal of neighborhood schools in 1999 (redistricting) and during the last election cycle.

Divide and Conquer is a strategy the BOE has used against High Point for the past several years. Don't be fooled!!

What the BOE really needs to do is build out SW to a 1600 seat capacity to serve all the families of N. High Point and Jamestown. Seems like common sense to me to put the seats where the growth is.

To "New",

If you read and study most federal grant applications for funds, lotteries must be "random" to acquire grant money.

To set requirements of FRL is not interpreted by most to be "random".

Follow the money trail.

Sandy,

They can't fit ALL of the Guilford College Road corridor into Andrews and Tim knows it.

See mah's post. It has NEVER been about fixing Andrews. It has been about making Central the cream of the crop school in High Point to attract new business to a dying inner city. It has always been about Central. If you followed the 1999 redistricting, you would know this.

Fix Central to its glory days. Fix the stadium to its glory days and an added bonus, save room for the furniture market parking. It is about High Point and money.

With the new tract of land that the BOE bought next to Andrews, it could be a great HP Weaver School of the Arts with room for future expansion. It only makes sense to put the School of the Arts near the theaters at HP University and downtown. This would also be close to the Gatlin Middle College program at GTCC. Certain resources could be shared to save money.

This is the only sensible way to go.

Sandy,

Do a little homework before you spout out inaccuracies to the world.

Here are some FACTS for you to attempt to digest:

There are 14 High Schools in Guilford County (with attendance zones).

I live in North High Point.

Andrews is the 5th out of 14 high schools closest to my house.

My closest school (by far) is Ragsdale and Western is my second closest school.

Where would you have my kids go to school?

Tim,

By the way, I hope you are running for School Board next year. If not, I'm starting a write-in campaign on your behalf.

Sandy,

I also live in North High Point but my mailing address in Jamestown to get mail only. I pay High Point taxes.

My closest school is Ragsdale, not Andrews. If you want to donate some money to expand Ragsdale, maybe my kid could have a school closer to home like the rest of the county. Perhaps you noticed it is at the end of the project list now.

Southwest is our neighborhood school too. It depends on your definition of neighborhood.

It is beginning to make sense. I firmly believe as Tim states that the BOE already have their new agenda. Its like the bloody CIA.

For instance its so strange that Kris has come out of the closet publicly instead of just to appease the angry and upset who confront her.

I can here Griers words about "value in diversity" ringing in my head as I type. What is his answer policy going to be on this one?

Tim, I just think you are wrong on one thing. We cannot make a difference to something they have already decided once again.

Did we make a difference to what happenned to the 149.
No we failed.

Let's see.

Public comment at board meetings now at 5:30 instead of 6:30.

Emails deleted by school board members.

No response to letters or phone calls from most school board members in the past.

School board gives themselves and Grier a nice big raise.

Suddenly Kris C cares about who lives close to the school and who does not.

149 kids forced in a lottery (nothing being done perhaps until legal action sought)

Yep, Reassigned you are so correct.

Ian,

I'll drink to that. Tim Mann for School Board!!

Cheers

Thanks but no thanks for the school board gig!

I have a new position that requires my full time attention. I'm sure we'll be able to find a replacement that reflects the thoughts, values and concerns of the voters in this district.

We also need to find and support some siutable replacements in other districts.

Bottom line .... in order to change the outcome of the votes, you have to change the makeup of the board.

Sorry I was on a family outing or I would have responded to Sandy's comments earlier.

Sandy said, "So Tim Mann is worried that the entire Jamestown corridor will be sent to Andrews. That has always been his concern from day one." To that I say you are 100% correct

"He does not want the Jamestown families to have to go to Andrews " --- Again correct

"even at the expense of the families of North High Point who should be allowed to go to their true neighborhood school, Southwest." ---That's where you are 100% wrong. I, personally, am of the belief that all of the children in the pre 1999 attendance zone should be allowed to go to their neighborhood school (Southwest). I am also of the belief that Southwest should be built out to its' maximum capacity (1600 ideal max. for any GCS hogh school according to the board's own guidelines)

We have the growth and the need but have VERY POOR representation. High Point has been and will continue to be the "red headed step-child" of Guilford County and the school system. (Point not intended to offend red heads or step children!) Enough growth has occurred and will continue to occur to justify a school of this size.

Politically ,however, the needs of the "Greensboro" schools will always trump those of the "High Point " schools. We (in High Point and Jamestown) simply don't have the political clout to make it happen.

If you were reassigned, Sandy, after the 1999 reallignment, I understand your frustration. However, your anger should be directed at those who voted to put the extra 400 seats at Andrews (a ZERO growth area) in 1999. That would be Dot and Susan.

Lastly, as has been mentioned earlier, the High Point fiasco has never been about SW or Andrews . It's always been around the wants and needs of .......

The proposed Weaver type school is for Andrews and not Southwest High School as some of you thought. Great plans may be underway.

Perhaps it is finally time for common sense in this county and a chance for all to work together towards educating all students and meeting their individual needs for the future.

Stay tuned.

Trollie,

That would make sense but logic has played no role thus far. Optimism is my normal outlook but when it comes to the BOE I'm still skeptical.

The only thing we can do at this point is to let our opinion be heard. I encourage all to let the board know of your wishes, especially if you're in favor of neighborhood schools!

They can be contacted @

www.guilford.k12.nc.us/boe/members.htm

Tim M,

This comes from a VERY reliable source.

I agree, the history of the BOE has not been one of logic and common sense in the past. Maybe with the elections coming up next year and the possibility of wanting support for future bond refs things may be turning to common sense. Maybe it is the right time to really help Andrews once and for all. Maybe they are tired of all the constant stress in this county.

As more news unfolds to the public, not only is it important to write the BOE, but we should fall in line behind Joe and Debbie to speak out at the BOE meetings. Remember 5:30 PM now.

If we don't write or speak out, we have no one to blame but ourselves. At least we have made our wishes known and we can say we have given it our best.

"VERY reliable source" and board member in the same sentence is a HUGE OXYMORON.

It gets very tiresome babysitting this schoolboard. They KNOW right from wrong yet continue to fulfill hidden agendas.

I used to think that common sense would prevail, but now I see much more clearly. Screw them all. It's much easier to pick up and move.

I did not see "VERY reliable source" and school board in the same sentence.

It DOES get very tiresome babysitting the school board. It is embarrassing listening to all the shaningans of the commissioners in this county.
And yes, they all do KNOW right from wrong. It is called "politics" and it exists anywhere you live. High Point has their own unique situation with the "old money" and always being the minority on the board. In the case of SW, having zero representation. In democracies, governments are made to be watched by the people.

We have seen NO common sense prevail in the past. Besides the politics there are the pressures of NCLB and the board members wanting to keep control and other factors which causes some of the ridiculous decisions. This is all true.

And it IS easier to pick up and move, even take a loss on your house when it comes to your kids' welfare, or choose a private school.

Unfortunately, there are many people who don't want to move for other reasons or simply can't. There are those who can't afford private school. And how many seats are left in the private schools? So for those people and others who choose to do what they know is RIGHT, and for those people who want to help others fight for their rights, all that is left is to keep fighting. Politically. Legally. Financially. And anyway they can.

Mr. Mann,

I am both red headed and a stepchild so be careful what you say. Of course, I live in High Point too so that is a double whammy. I get stepped on a lot.

It doesn't matter that I have finally found a family, they still want to put me on a long bus ride as I got my number 2 lottery choice.

Fortunately, Daddy Warbucks will spring for private school in Greensboro. I will dearly miss going to school with all my friends from north High Point. Daddy said he may buy all of them a private school too. He got a tip from his stock broker that building a private school anywhere around here is the way to become even richer.

You just can't lose especially when vouchers come down the pike.

Regards,

Annie

Scott,

As someone I once worked with put it, "I'll do anything that is legal, moral, and ethical to achieve my goals". That seems like good advice to all of the North High Pointers and Jamestownians when dealing with this school board and Terry Grier. Fight them on the beaches, fight them..oh, well, you get the idea! Even be a bloggin' troll, if it will make a difference and get their attention.

Ciarra Lilly Update.

7-Star Gen Slak has a team of Lawyers that are studying some recently recieved documents.

Could these Documents show a direct relationship between Ciarra, GCS and the N&R????????

Was this slanderous article a well timed, Orchestrated scheme to show a false sense that racism is running rampant in our schools????????

Stay tuned for more info.

Gen.Slak,
sorry I am lost.
How does it help the situation of the HPC plan?
Could you please explain?

AYP scores are out--NOT for High Schools yet though....

Is that because they are NOT availiable yet--or that Grier is withholdint that information a little longer while he plots his new plan for High Point?

Yea, AYP's are out. It's time for Grier and goonies to start f*#!ing with the schools that DID meet AYP's!

Say bye-bye to assistants and hello to bigger class sizes. The good docter loves to 'fix' what ain't broke.

26 schools did not meet AYP's (not including missing HS scores) Does anyone remember last years scores? I might have that info filed, but don't have time to check. Several schools might have the dreaded 3rd year of failure, that means that the school system has to pay for tutoring. Alot has been said about the choice of private tutoring, but I remember recently the GCS was 'qualified' to offer tutoring. Wonder if that means that they will be the only ones offering tutoring (by that I mean GCS instead of private organizations)

New,

You really are "new" aren't you?

You see, the school board wants to paint all the parents and even the teachers of Southwest with a BIG racist brush. You may be surprised that the BOE can even get the N&R to help when needed.

Since redistricting is coming now is the perfect time to make it look like Southwest needs all the diversity they can get. It is a good time for the BOE to push for diversity in High Point while the rest of the county gets neighborhood schools.

Stick around. You'll see when the lines are drawn.

Keep up the good work General Slak, sir.

A few quick AYP notes:

1. The delay in high school scores is out of Raleigh, not GCS. We're not the only county affected.

2. Debora, GCS is approved to offer tutoring, but private companies like Sylvan Learning Center can offer it, too. The feds say that parents must get a choice of tutoring options, so the school system can't monopolize the business. GCS officials told me today that parents at these schools will get a list of tutoring providers and will be allowed to pick whichever one they want.

3. We'll have much more on the AYP results in tomorrow's N&R.

If redistricting is the reason for which school you attend instead of FRL then I dont see how you can draw from downtown HP attendants to SW.
I still dont get it.
New (but hopefully not stupid).

When you were talking to the "GCS officials" did you happen to ask where they are going to put all the middle school kids in High Point NOW??

Surely they won't "monopolize" the opt out choices to only Southwest Middle.

What a tangled web they weave.

Great now I can also make money by providing private tutors after I make money building my new private school.

ARF! ARF!

7-Star General,

I salute your every move with all four of my paws!

God Bless America! ARF! ARF!

Schoolboard Troll and Sir General Slak:

KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT.

General, thank you for starting that defense fund.

Word is out that you have now earned your 8th star because of all your efforts to right the wrong done to this fine teacher.

Ms. Muffit,

I heard they will just shove them all under some tuffet connected to a bunch of trailers.

Just hide the problem and it simply vanishes just like porridge.

General Slak,

I had made a post on Allen Johnson's blog when he was asked about Ciara Lilley's story. I have been requested to transfer the post to a current thread, so that others might see it. Here it is. You should know that Dr. Stephen Covey is a respected educator who wrote the fabulously successful self-help book, "The Seven Habits of Highly Successful People", so his thoughts carry a lot of weight with many people for whom I have respect.

It is unfortunate that the News-Record took this story, which Allen Johnson now admits was about Ciara Lilly's experiences and perceptions, and published it as what appeared to be a factual indictment of Southwest High and the people there as racists, and they never apended a caveat that it represented Ms. Lilly's "perception" of her experiences. They even compounded it with an inflammatory headline, "An encounter with racism at Southwest". That seems like a headline designed only to attract a reader to the story, and it didn't even carry a caveat that it was about her "experiences and perceptions". It's also interesting that no one at News-Record will defend or publicly examine the allegations made in the story. While I would tend to give Ms. Lilly a pass on this story, as I am sure that it was a reflection of her paradigms, but on the other hand, I feel that News-Record has engaged in the worst kind of journalism possible, and they won't own-up to it. They've provoked the kind of responses on some other blogs that could have been expected, with people reading and taking the story as a factual accounting of Ms. Lilly's experiences, not what it really proved to be.

Allen,

Was there any type of "fact checking" that went on before Ciara Lilly's letter was published? Did anybody try to get the teacher's side?

I notice that there is a General(?) of some sort that has asked Jennifer at the Chalkboard many times to get the other side of that story. To him Ciara's story seems slanderous and I can't say that I disagree.

Posted by: Joining the General's fight at July 15, 2005 12:35 AM

No. Ciara's column was about her experiences and perceptions, not rote facts.

Posted by: Allen Johnson at July 15, 2005 10:36 AM

Allen,

The dictionary defines "rote" as "A memorizing process using routine or repetition, often without full attention or comprehension."

It is not clear to me in light of this word definition what exactly a "rote fact" would be. What does the combination of these two words mean? How does that relate to Ciara Lilly's story?

I would agree that her story was based upon her perceptions of her experiences, or more accurately, it was a reflection of the paradigms that she had about Southwest and the people there before she entered school there.

Dr. Stephen Covey says that a "paradigm is generally defined as the way that we see the world through our perceptions, understanding and interpreting. Paradigms are like maps and each of us have many, many maps in our head, and they can be divided into two main categories: the way things are, or realities, and maps of the way that things should be, or values. We interpret everything we experience through these mental maps."

Dr. Covey also said, "Our paradigms will affect how we interact with others, which in turn will affect how they interact with us". Perhaps, Ms. Lilly's paradigms and those students at Southwest's paradigms were very different, and a shifting of paradigms of both was needed before an effective relationship could develop. Unfortunately, it appears that a paradigm shift never happened for either.

Posted by: Dean Wormer at July 17, 2005 10:29 PM

Dean Wormer,

I have made contact with the Southwest teacher involved in the Ciarra Lilly Slander article.

He is fully aware of my efforts to free him from the charges of racism brought upon him by the EVIL forces in this county.

In order to bring the people responsible for this public humiliation of a fine upstanding teacher, my legal team has been in contact with a Washington Law Firm that specializes in this type of case.

This will not come cheap and will be an up hill battle, but is a battle that must be fought.

Citizens unite and become involved.

Let's see, $134.68 for a one-year subscription to the News & Record.

One phone call to cancel said subscription.

Write one check to General Slak for $134.68 and get several of my friends to do the same.

Priceless...my money much better spent.

Using the NC DPI website info (couldn't get GCS link for 2004 AYP results to work???), it looks like 14 elem schools and 9 middle schools did not make AYP for the 2003/2004 year.

Ms Muffet's point re: where are all the opt out middle school kids going to be put in HP is a very good one - it m/b moot when (not if) the Board raises the Title I % to 75 for middle schools next year in their SOP of changing the rules instead of fixing the problem.

Daddy Warbucks
Forsyth county bussed 30 something years ago, they had to quit because the courts RULLED IT ILLEGAL. I like your idea of a private school, but could you take the money you would spend for maybe a theatre or arts center and get a lawyer to not only do what is legal, but ANSWER FOR IT TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roxie,

As we ponder what the best answer is, I hear many plans are already underway from the legal aspect.

Annie would willingly donate some of her trust fund too toward this endeavor. She just wants to keep Sandy well fed on steaks.

They would not allow her Sandy on the long bus ride across town to school. That is another reason I must put my money in private schools and tutoring. Vouchers are the way of the future.

I can throw in for legal and build an arts center too. Why not.

Okay, if my numbers are right here is the list of schools that have NOT made AYP 3 years in a row!
Alamance Elem
Allen Middle
Aycock Middle
Ferndale Middle
Eastern Middle
Montileau
Washington Elem
Welborn Elem
Wiley Elem

others had two years out of the last three, but my mixed up notes don't say if they are in a row (I believe they have be consecutive to have sanctions)
Allen Jay
Gillespie
Hairston
Jamestown Middle
Kirkman

Again, this is only by my notes, and doesn't count HS

Debora,

Just one word of caution. A school having two or more consecutive years of missing AYP has sanctions ONLY if the school is also Title 1.

Not all of the schools you list were Title 1 for the 3 consecutive years.

Per the 6/14 Board meeting, NCLB report the following schools are already in "school choice":
Ferndale Middle
Montlieu Elem
Vandalia Elem
Washington Elem
Wiley Elem
The "watch list" schools (didn't make AYP 2003/2004-if don't make in 2004/2005, students will get school choice):
Allen Jay Elem
Bessemer Elem
Brightwood Elem
Gillespie Park Elem
Hairston Middle
Kirkman Park Elem
Northwood Elem

These schools were Title I - I'm not sure if they all are for next year under the Board's changing of the % requirement.

Dear Quest,
of course you are correct-just telling who hadn't made AYP's-- but they have to be title ones to have sanctions!

Question to Bruce, Jennifer, School Board and others:

Just like the NFL, I went back and reviewed the tape of the last school board meeting. As the referees say in the NFL,

"Upon further review......"

When I looked back at the tape of the last board meeting , Alan Duncan brought up (during the Chairman's report) the "personal request for staff" to review redistricting including the Weaver type alternative in High Point.

Since when can the chairman, at his personal discretion, direct staff to investigate any alternatives? Shouldn't that be a board decision and NOT one directed by AN INDIVIDUAL? Otherwise you could have "staff" looking at 11 alternative proposals to any one situation. Was this request in line with the protocol the board should follow or more dictitorial leadership by the chairman?

These questions are honest inquiries and not meant to be rhetorical. I'd love to hear from some of the board members.

"I'd love to hear from some of the board members."

that's hilarious!! Teeeeheeee!!! Ahhhh!!!!haaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Sorry Tim but, I just can't...ha!!!ha!!!!!! haaaaaaa...stop.....ha!!!ha!!!!hheeeeeheeee!!!...laughing....!!!HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I wasn't speaking of any that represent us Z
It's late but I'm not in dreamland yet!

I think you meant to say misrepresent us or do not represent us. I never knew Jamestown and North High Point had any representation. That would certainly be dreaming.

So what else is new about following procedures?!

I think if the board/staff comes up with a good plan that will help the High Point schools restore some stability, alter the lottery plan, and help Andrews by making it a Weaver type school, then it is time to wait and see what they come up with and go from there.

Let's see what the proposal will be and then decide. Maybe HP Lotto will finally disappear.

I believe the live school board meetings start in August.

Live broadcasts are due to start in mid August.
Tim, I believe (didn't tape it) that Alan also made mention that if anyone else had some directives for the staff they should tell me, so that all ideas could be worked on. Do you remember if that is correct? I think he took people by surprise! I definitely think there was some behind the lines things going on. I doubt that the directive took Dr Grier by surprise, but the rest of the BOE had nothing to add. Aug-Jan will be very intersting.

Tim,

It's not uncommon for individual board members to request that the staff compile information. In fact, I can remember quite a few different board members doing it in the past couple of years, particularly during budget season. Alan's request wasn't out of line with the current protocol.

And you are right: the staff can spend a lot of time putting this together. But they get paid a lot of money and it's part of the job, I guess.

Bruce you need to come to the meetings also. Education is big in Guilford County and we need multiple people working full time on the subject. For instance, we have no coverage on the attempt by the BOE and staff to "zero" any raise for sub teachers. There is a lot out there. I honestly believe the BOE would do better work if the N&R kept on their case.

Joe,

Oh, I can tell you, Jennifer and I are both working full-time on covering education - did you see today's front page? We've got a lot more coming, too.

But there's a lot more going on in education than just the school board meetings. Those are important, but I would suggest that what goes on in the schools themselves is more important.

However, if you can convince the Powers-That-Be here at the N&R to hire a third education reporter, you would be my hero!

My god, Grier only has a right cheek and a left cheek, what part of his anatomy is the 3rd N&R reporter going cover?

I don't want my advertising costs with your fish rag to go up.

Now if the N&R spent their money wisely like the Rhino Times does and track down those dead beat Commissioners over in Hawaii it would be a different story.

Fish and chip rag isn't it..

Well, when does anyone think they will redistrict us out of this choice plan then? Will it be next year??

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I think they will redistrict us out of the choice plan when they are squirming from lawyers, test scores, and public and media attention. Be glad we got people like Tim and others on our side, hang in there. I hear maybe by January.

I agree with Bruce. There have been many occasions where school board members have asked the staff for different data. That is one of their jobs.

Everyone does know they talk in twos or threes before they discuss anything. I doubt that Grier was surprised either. Everyone will have to stay tuned to see what the new maps bring.

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