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Bruce,

Now that you've uncovered and published these statistics, I can just about guarantee you that the suspension numbers will dramatically decrease going forward in this school year.

Why? No more suspensions will be the mandate from the Central Office.

Sounds like a job for...ta- da...Rich Kid Rangers!!!Kiser parents, don't sit by idly. Simply put the word out, contact the Rich Kid Ranger handlers on the board, and you'll have those wealthy little wranglers coming your way to SAVE THE DAY!!!! Hiyo silver, away....!!!!

Bruce,

Are those in-school and out-of-school suspensions?
Just curious.

These are just out-of-school suspensions, Amy. It doesn't include in-school suspensions.

Just to clarify, this is 187 suspensions, not 187 students. Some students were (probably) suspended more than once. (it would be interesting to see a histogram of the number of students by number of suspensions e.g. 1 student 8 times, 4 students 7 times, 6 students 9 times, etc.)

Thanks, Bruce!

Bruce,
Are these the number of incidents or are these the number of students? I think you meant the number of incidents. We all know even from the article that many students are 'repeat' offenders.

thanks

Didn't someone write a letter to the editor stating (N&R) that things were improving at Kiser?

Also at the last school board meeting, there was a parent who bought a lawyer with her. Didn't one of her kids go to Kiser?

Looks like things have gotten worse to me! I wonder how many of these suspensions were repeat offenders?

Yeah, the 187 number is total suspensions, not the number of individual students who have been suspended.

I'm not sure how many of these suspended students are repeat offenders, but it sounds like a sizable number are.

If most of those suspended were African American males, Deena will chew somebody's @$$ at the next board meeting.

By "this year" do you mean in the last 9 weeks?

Bitsy,

You are right! Deena will have her back up about that one! Maybe that's why the problem is never fixed. According to her, it is about race not behavior.

Bruce, could you find out if how many repeat offenders? We don't need names just the number.

In the N&R print version , there was a graph showing the schools and number of suspensions. Lincoln Middle School was not on the graph. Do we know the suspension stats at Lincoln?

If these are repeat offenders, why aren't they in SCALES or expelled?

Never mind, we know why.

Did you not notice. It is not color. It is now "income".

The only time Deena even speaks is in regards to somekind of discrimination. She can't even comment on any normal subject.
Her thinking process with any subject in dicussion is " who is being discriminated here ".
She is more racist than any person I have ever heard!
Talk about the self fulfilling prophecy.

What a sad world we live in!

fyi to all. There is an EXCELLENT Counterpoint in the N & R today, Nov. 4, entitled "Attitutes, Not Wealth, Yield Success". Kudos to the editors for printing this true picture of what it takes to succeed.

Also, in their usual MO of the News & Record. There is an editorial today on Kiser and the recent high number of suspensions. First always comes "the article" on a school subject. Shortly thereafter, you can expect "the editorial" on the same subject. But this one is also worth reading.

The ending makes a great point and something that EVERYONE involved in the schools needs to consider. Regarding suspensions as quoted ....."Instead, its actions (Kiser's) say that disrespect, bullying and chaos won't be tolerated there."

AMEN TO THAT!

Can't wait for the Russians to get here. I can see them expalaining the CP to them, and how all the Russians will smile, shake their heads, and all flashback to the old party days before communism headed down the tubes.

Barbara Ann,

Are the editors implying that "disrespect, bullying, and chaos" ARE being tolerated at the other schools?

jwg,

In my humble opinion, I do not see that they are implying that, but who knows. You can to the N & R menu and click on the editorial under "opinions". As you may already know, many, many parents do feel this goes on in many of our schools. They are far too lenient. The kids control the schools know "you can't suspend me"; they know "the game" in play; so many teachers and principals hands are tied or at least more than slightly bound to do much.

What I do get from the article is a defensive mode to protect the principal if she takes the heat for so many suspensions at one school. We all know what the word is out there on reducing the number of suspensions and in particular certain suspension of certain groups.

I think they are saying that the reason there are so many is the principal is expecting the students to comply with the rules (what a novel idea!)or there will be consequences.

As, I think Bruce pointed out, the numbers reflect repeat offenders and do not reflect the actual number of students suspended. If this is the case, why is this allowed to continue? Apparently, something is not right if the same kid is suspended over and over again. If suspensions are not working to give positive results, why do they keep trying the same methods? To me, in my opinion, it is like a parent who continually tries the same consequence on a kid; the kid repeats the same behavior over and over; the parent gives the same consequence. Dahh.....it is not working.

What about the other students who comply to the rules and want to learn? What about their rights to a public education?

We need alternative schools (apparently lots of them) and we need them now. The parents of these suspended kids need to be help accountable and should be involved in the processs. To me, if a kid gets suspended over and over again, he may "like" being out of school.

I do admire this principal for expecting the students to follow the rules. It sounds like she is definitely trying to bring order to her school.

Candy Boy,

Great point on Communism. I hope Halloween was good to you. I did not get any Twizlers (wah)

I don't see the editorial about Kiser online, so I thought I would post it, since you guys are talking about it:

"Student suspensions at Kiser Middle School are twice those of any other of Guilford’s 18 middle schools. But that’s not necessarily a bad thing because numbers don’t tell the whole story.

Changing demographics and an influx of new students exacerbate ongoing discipline troubles at the northwest Greensboro school. Rather than let the situation worsen, veteran Principal Dot Harper is cracking down on disruptive behavior. She has as much as said "attend, but play by our rules."

The school's response, however, extends beyond punishment. One-on-one counseling, more adult supervision and additional extracurricular activities eventually will pay off.

For now, the priority is assimilating 500 new students in the 950-student school. Included are 130 who moved from Hairston Middle, which failed to meet annual Adequate Yearly Progress goals. Rules let parents move children to a higher-achieving school, and most chose close-by Kiser.

Harper is to be commended for taking a tough but firm stand at a time when central office administrators lean toward fewer suspensions. The upheaval of absorbing dozens of new students shouldn’t be complicated by unnecessary and avoidable commotion.

And, as the school shifts from a middle-class to a less-affluent student body, there must be greater parental involvement. Parents who took the initiative of transferring their children to Kiser now must get involved in its activities. And parents understandably unsettled by the fast-paced changes need to be patient. There will be a bumpy adjustment period.

Although Kiser accounts for almost one-fourth of middle-school suspensions, it would be unfair to conclude it has a disproportionate number of problems. Instead, its actions say that disrespect, bullying and chaos won’t be tolerated there."

Sorry you didn't get any Twizzlers, Trixy. I like 'em, too, especially the strawberry kind.

Hats Off to the Kiser principal!!!!!!!!

What a unique Idea,,,,having a school where if you misbehave, you are punished.

Could we please try this concept in High Point.

Even though the second class students in High Point have to be educated diferently than the rest of the County, it would be nice to actually try discipline as a means to deal with their bad behavior.

This method might undermine griers' stats,,but if we could just give it a shot, it might work.

Better Idea,,,FIRE grier and put the Kiser Principal in Charge!!!!!

I also agree that it's wonderful that this principal is taking care of business at her school. I've seen first hand how many times teachers and administrators give students extra chances to improve their behavior and to make changes. There comes a time though when you have to remove that student from the school setting so that they do not take away from other children's education. In fact, I rarely send a student to the principal unless there's a fight or they are being verbally abusive (this is true for many teachers). I try to deal as much as possible with things in my classroom by making parent phone calls, taking away rewards, etc. While this does take time away from my other students, I know the situation can become worse if a student is sent out only to be sent back to the classroom. The student thinks they can do whatever they want and I've given up my authority to someone else. To think that one day I might be able to send out a student that is disrupting the class, gives me hope.

The problem still remains though. What do we do about these students who continually get in trouble? They obviously need help and I would rather deal wtih them as students than send them out into the world with the possiblity of them becoming criminals (then again, I've had students that already had a parole officer by their freshman year). I care about these students and I don't want to just toss them to the side with no hope of them ever making changes in their life. I also don't want them to hinder my other students' education. What hope is there for these students? Scales is certainly not the answer. Yeah, let's take a bunch of bad a-- kids and put them all together in one school. That will surely reform them. We do need some type of mentoring or intervention program for these students that parents/guardians have to participate in with the goal of having the student be successful in the regular education setting.

Andi,

You make some excellent points. What do you do with the repeat behavioral problems? I feel strongly that, as you say, there needs to be parental involvement. The parents and/or guardians must be held accountable.

I loved what I saw on 60 Minutes or a similar show a while back. I think Doug Clark had a column on this several months ago. The parent must come to school with the child and be with him in class all day. Now that could prove very interesting. The last thing a teen wants is his parent over his shoulder.

The problem is how you you get them there when you can't even get them to return phone calls or come in for conferences?

Above all, teachers do need to feel that the administration will cover their back no matter where a teacher teaches. This alone, will help improve teacher morale immensely - to know someone is supporting their efforts. To know everyone is on the same team and not just by giving lip service but by action.

End the kidnapping of our children!

Not sure if anyone is still reading this thread, but I'm still wondering about the missing statistics for Lincoln Middle. My son heard that they disbanded the football team because so many kids were suspended.

I'm still reading it, Angie (I'm here at the board meeting waiting for the school board to return from closed session)

To answer your question, Lincoln has 67 suspensions so far this school year. That's on the high end, particularly since it is relatively small for a middle school.

Thanks for reminding me; I had forgotten to post this information.

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