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Any idea how close some schools come to being "Persistently Dangerous"?

Zero tolerance for repeat offenders.

Make the parents pay fines if their children are repeat offenders. Make the parents be involved and be responsible. Quit using the schools to babysit incorrigible children.

Get the gangs out of our schools. Deal with the problems; not hide them. They may end up on the streets. At least the police can deal with the crimes and schools won't have to. The weapons and drugs will be out of our schools.

Treat education as a privilege; not a right to be abused by many.

Bruce,

I noticed in today's article that Andrews had a high crime rate. Do you have an answer to JWG's question?

Your article mentioned community service as alternatives to suspension. I think this is an excellent idea. It could give kids who are in trouble out of the classroom and keep them off the streets. It could give them a focus and a purpose. Alternative learning environments with strong emphasis on reading, grammar, and writing need to be pursued.

I have an idea. Let's hold a raffle and the winners get bused to the school with the highest crime rate!!! Sound like a winner? Come on parents, get on board!!!

jwg,

Actually, I think we might have a couple that fall under that category of persistently dangerous now. I'm checking with state officials. I'll let you know if I find out anything.

Barbara Ann,

Andrews won't fall under the persistently dangerous label because in 2003-04 there were only 2 incidents reported that were considered violent crimes.

Remember, the persistently dangerous label doesn't track all of the crimes included in the crime and violence report. It only looks at the most dangerous crimes (ie. rape, robbery, assault) and a school must meet the criteria for two consecutive years before it potentially can be labeled persistently dangerous.

Jen or Bruce,,,any word yet on how the Russians made out on their visit to the County of Guilford. Were they dazzled? Course, I believe it was the week when the schoolboard stayed in session until one a.m., not working on education problems, but how to figure out ways Grier could scam another 7 large from the taxpayers, so one would imagine they were impressed and returned to Russia touting the benefits of capitalism Grier-style.

Jen,

Thank you for the update for me and for JWG.

ba

jwg,

I double checked with DPI and the schools I thought might be close to being persistently dangerous aren't. I had included in my calculations a category (assault on school personnel) that they don't include.

And high crime stats aren't a guarantee the school will be designated persistently dangerous. The process includes a site visit and review of the school by state officials.

The threshold is pretty high the way NC calculates it.

According to DPI officials, no school in the state has been labeled persistently dangerous.

Jennifer,

Assaults of school personnel aren't included in the formula to determine persistently dangerous schools? I guess the state doesn't consider school personnel as essential to the educational process.

I think that you could also add to your statement that with the threshhold set where it is by the state, no school will ever be labeled persistently dangerous. They don't want one to be. Parents are being lied to once again by our schools, both locally and at the state level.

Here's what the US Department of Education has to say about school safety as it pertains to NCLB.

http://www.ed.gov/nclb/freedom/safety/keepingkids.html

The Facts About...School Safety

The Challenge: All children need a safe environment in which to learn and achieve. Too many schools in America remain unsafe; too many teachers are threatened by violence; and too many children fear for their safety.

The Solution: Ensure a safe and orderly school by implementing programs that protect students and teachers, encourage discipline and personal responsibility and combat illegal drugs.

WHY NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND WILL MAKE SCHOOLS SAFER AND DRUG FREE

Encourages laws on the books to be aggressively enforced. No child can learn in a climate of fear. America has learned important lessons from September 11. One of the most important lessons is that we must be prepared for the worst. That means working with communities so every level of government is looking out for child safety. The president believes the first job of government is to protect its citizens—whether the threat is terrorists abroad, criminals at home, or predators or drug dealers in or near schools.

Requires states to report on school safety to the public. The new law also encourages schools to work closely with law enforcement and the community to keep the learning environment safe by enforcing truancy, suspension and expulsion policies and criminal laws.

Protects teachers so they can teach and maintain order. The problem of poor discipline has been compounded by the increased incidence of lawsuits, which impairs the ability of teachers to maintain discipline and enforce the rules. No Child Left Behind protects teachers, principals and other school professionals from frivolous litigation when they take reasonable actions to maintain order and discipline in the classroom.

Anticipates the potential for violence in schools. Violence prevention programs must meet specified principles of effectiveness and be grounded in scientifically based research that provides evidence that programs will reduce violence and illegal drug use. Under No Child Left Behind, states must report school safety statistics to the public on a school-byschool basis, and districts must use federal school-safety funding to establish a plan for keeping schools safe and drug free. These plans must include:

appropriate and effective discipline policies;
security procedures;
prevention activities;
student codes of conduct; and
a crisis management plan for responding to violent or traumatic incidents on school grounds.
Provides a mechanism for students to leave chronically dangerous schools. No Child Left Behind requires schools to implement a statewide policy giving students the choice to attend a safe public school within the district if he or she:

attends a persistently dangerous public elementary or secondary school or
becomes a victim of a violent crime while in or on the grounds of a public school the student attends.

IS NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND MAKING SCHOOLS SAFER AND DRUG FREE?

"encourage laws on books to be AGGRESSIVELY enforced"

"enforce suspension policies"

"student codes of conduct"

here lies your answers.

IS GCS AGGRESSIVELY ENFORCING LAWS, SUSPENSIONS AND PROVIDE EXCEPTING CONFORMANCE TO STUDENT CODES OF CONDUCT?

oops "expecting" - where is spellcheck

Sally,

Here is the counterpoint to the USDE article:

http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/persistently_dangerous.html

Potential ways in which NCLB's "Persistently Dangerous School" component could create less safe schools:

1. States create unattainable definition

2. States create unrealistic definition

3. Eventual legal challenge to differing definitions across various states

4. Underreporting/non-reporting of school crime

5. Schools unable to demonstrate documented need for safety funding due to underreporting

6. Transfer of funds from safety to academics within districts to meet academic standards of NCLB

7. "Tunnel vision" focus on academics takes priority focus and funding away from safety

8. Increased crime, violence, discipline problems, and liability

Does the News and Record know that there have been multiple "gang" fights at High Point Central High yesterday and today? I saw police cars and lights yesterday when I was leaving with the kids. Today I heard from the kids that a kid was maced during that incident by the police. Today there was a "gang" fight of about 20 kids and other fights through out the day. I guess the High Point Police Department should just set up a sub-station at Central, since it sounds like most of the police department was there all day. Of course, I haven't received any word from the administration about what the facts of the day were. Leave it to the kids to communicate the details. I would love to hear from anyone that has the details of what happened.

Kelly,

Check http://p2c.high-point.net/main.aspx in a couple of days to see what police reports were filed.

Kelly,

Are you sure it was "gangs" or was it just the hostile atmosphere of the school that caused the cops to be there? Did the teachers at Central go to the Healing Seminar like SW?

Does this get reported under NCLB rules?

Kelly,

I would suggest that you adopt a pseudonym when reporting information on problems at HP Central. You never know when someone will take exception. It's just safer to use another handle and avoid retribution, if you know what I mean.

Kelly, Stormy, etc...

I heard the kids at Central were all just trying to find some paper.

Kelly,

I questioned my kid about Central and was told that a girl got arrested for possession of pot.

I also heard there is a gang called Juanita Hill at Central, and there are fighting with a rival gang. Alot of what they fight about happens off school property, but it quite often spills over to the school.

What I want to know is why hasn't the administration let the parents know what's going on?

It was gangs. According to my daughter they didn't even stop fighting when the police came. Why; They have no respect for authority because they are never punished.
I have also heard that drugs were found on one pupil and the school officer was injured and had to hospital. The whole school was "locked down" at one point. I agree with Kelly, I am also pissed because I have heard nothing from the authorities. They are trying to hide it away....
This is not the first time that police have been all over that campus either but it does seem to the worst incident.

I am so filled with hatred by all this. I hate those so called humans that sent my daughter to that school!

You can thank the powers that be in Raleigh who have set the benchmarks so high that no school will ever be deemed persistently dangerous. No one wants a school to be found to be dangerous, so they turn their collective heads, and meanwhile, parents are unaware that their children are at risk. We can't have kids getting transferred out because of dangerouls conditions. After all, that would reflect poorly upon our school board and superintendent. Deena Hayes might have to admit that there are actually dangerous criminals in the schools, minors or not....nah, that won't happen.

No papel,
this is one situation that is not funny.

I guess Mayor Becky will pay for another "committee" to study the problems she already knows exist. Did you notice that it was not Viva Las Vegas why the market was down according to the press. Give me a break. Whatever the City still wants to think.

Perhaps now that they are refurbishing Simeon Stadium it could just be used for an Alternative Tough Love Reform School.

It looks like this calls for another high paid position at Central Office too to study the problem.

We could pay another $250,000 for another consultant to see if there is disparity in the number of gangs in High Point Schools vs the other schools. Why not it's only "paper" money.

"If a man harbors any sort of fear, it percolates through all his thinking, damages his personality, mkes him landlord to a ghost."

Lloyd Douglas

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Franklin D Roosevelt

Boo who?

Please explain. Didnt get it.

The way I am feeling at the mo is that I am going to start some gang fights at SW tomorrow.

Gunna invite Dougie,Susie and Dottie over and the old folks from the retirement community on Skeet are prepared to kick the Sh.t out of them.
If its good enough for Andrews and Central then why not SW?

BooWho?,

It means don't be afraid to speak up and fight for what is right. Be afraid for your children and speak up for them.

If we become afraid of the gangs and do nothing because they are "gangs" then we have lost. If we think the gangs will "get us" then we have lost. If we are afraid our children will suffer repercussions because we speak up then we have lost. (There are good lawyers to take care of that.) If we are afraid of certain SB people then we have lost. Sometimes it may not be "politically correct" to fight for the TRUTH.

And other than that it is just a thought for your day.

“For example, Jackson Middle had the highest crime rate in the district, with more than 41 incidents per 1,000 students.”

I can agree with that statement. When my wife started her career with GCS this was the first school she taught with. I remember her coming home at night in tears. Yes teachers have to work well into the evenings too. She had students on her hallway get into fights weekly, her own students would fight within the classroom, destroy books she had brought in for them to read and other things. Yet all this time the principal of the school worried more about everything else other then the discipline problems that plagued the school. The principal worried more about the “Word Wall” in my wife’s classroom instead of offering solutions. When a solution was finally offered the principal suggested the Harry Wong book.

Thankfully my wife has moved on from that school. However the problems still exist within this new school. In fact they exist throughout the system. For example, my wife was an English/Geography teacher at Jackson. She was told not to teach the kids any geography because it wasn’t on the EOG’s and it had nothing to do with the 7th grade Writing Test the students had to take. It is things like this that frustrates my wife so much that because of meeting these goals set forth from the county, state, and federal governments that whole parts of curriculum is being ignored because it’s not going to be on the EOG, benchmark or whatever test the kids are being measured by this year. The kids are then force fed the tests throughout the year till they don’t care anymore. The teachers are bored because the freedom to teach their own lessons is taken away. The kids with the discipline problems are shuffled around or the incidents are reported with the degree that they should be in hopes of not upsetting, increasing, the divide in whatever race/gender stat that is important at the time.

It’s sad to me that schools are run this way. That discipline is ignored because it might upset the status quo of whatever stat the GCS is trying to spin. That forcing students and teachers to react solely to a test sucks what little joy there is out of a school day. The lack of support for teachers from their principals when it comes to student, parent, and teacher meetings hurts the moral of the teacher and that affects the teacher’s ability to teach. This isn’t the case with all principals of course, but there is pressure that the parent is always right from the top down. My wants to quit teaching because she says she doesn’t teach anymore all she does is raise and discipline kids that aren’t even her own. She loves teaching, but has yet had the opportunity to teach. She’s tired of kids not following directions, she’s tired of parents yelling at her, and she’s tired of administration more worried about their numbers/ass instead of backing up the teachers.

Bruce,

I have heard similar stories from EXCELLENT teachers. We are losing them. They are burned out. Teaching is not what they expected.

I have seen from subbing elementary school where they practice for tests, esp Math, starting in January. Teachers try to fit in Science and Social Studies, Health, etc. It is hard to fit everything in every day. In some classes, you have kids constantly in and out for English 2nd language, Advance Learners, Special Needs, etc. Now with losing the help of assistants for discipline, paperwork, etc., the moral has not been great.

With subbing, word gets around very quickly which schools are rough to teach at. They have a hard time finding subs for that reason.

If you remember the teacher surveys. Salary dissatisfaction was not top on the list. Teachers wanted to be heard; they wanted to be supported; they want teach.

Oops - meant to say "morale" nor "moral" - okay Bruce - where is that spellcheck?

Barbara Ann, I completely agree! I am one of those burned out teachers and am considering (once again) leaving teaching to do an office job with fewer hours and less stress and tutoring on the side. At least that way I could still teach and not deal with all of the other crap that comes with being a teacher in the schools. Bruce, I would encourage your wife to join a professional organization like NCAE if she doesn't already belong to one, to seek the support of fellow teachers, and to hang in there if this is what she really wants. Otherwise, she might want to consider teaching in a different county (if that's possible) or looking at other careers in the education field. Money can often be an issue, but I feel that extra money is not worth my health or time spent with family and friends.

If you go back to one of my favorite subjects, "Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs" (I have used before in speeches to the SB.)....

Food, Shelter, Clothing- physical needs are on the bottom. These can be met by money.

Next comes SAFETY - protection from danger - teachers would like to feel secure and safe from the students they deal with.

Self-respected and personal worth are high up there on the chart. If these needs are not met, we will keep losing teachers.

It is that simple.

A little story...Many years ago when my husband was in outside commercial sales for a national tire company, the local mechanic used to say "my tools have wheels" when he worked for a horrible boss. I have alway remembered that saying - a teacher might say "we now have backpacks with wheels for our books/pencils". There are always jobs out there for dedicated teachers.

Another story for another day - my husband once said "I've been thrown out of better places." This was his best quick witted saying ever in 30 some years.

Parents appreciates dedicated teachers like you Andi. You are right though. It is not worth your health or your safety.

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