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Bruce,

Thanks for starting this new strand. Can you run the link or print the editorial (could be another strand) on N & R's editorial in today's paper "Fuzzy goals set for Grier won't be easily achieved". This was not on line under the Opinion Section. I am sure this may lead to some interesting discussion.

Also one more request - see it is Monday - we have to keep you busy.

A strand concerning using abandoned buildings and converting them to schools. (See other CB strand - I left you the link.)

THANK YOU.

BA

I'd be glad to start a thread on that abandoned building study, Barbara Ann. But if it's okay with you, I'll wait until this afternoon or tomorrow morning, so folks can talk over this workforce preparedness study before we start a new topic.

Also, I have added today's editorial on Dr. Grier's goals. I posted it under the "Dr. Grier's Goals" thread, which is the one right below this one. It's the 21st post, I believe.

Thank you,Bruce.

Sounds like a plan.

Lots to comment on at one time.

ba

I've read the study in great detail. The Education state of affairs in High Point is horrible.

The real question is: What will the City Council of High Point and the GCS Board of Education do with the study?

My bet is nothing.

Wow- I read all 174 pages of the report. I came away fron the report with the sense that although HP definitely needs improvement, the improvement IS attainable if ALL of US step up to the plate. In my time in HP, I see our City Council and the Guilford County Board of Education as an example of entities that are so mired in bureaucracy that they only add to the polarization experienced by our citizens.

Guest---Maybe we shouldn't rely on HP City Council and the Guilford County Board of Education to create changes. Maybe we as citizens have to own this problem and come up with solutions ourselves and follow through with the implementation of the solutions. It's so easy to complain on a blog, but what are we (myself included) doing to make changes?

Just a thought.

The educational problems noted in this study affecting High Point are not isolated to those three schools. The disarray in our schools is happening everywhere. Note this story recently reported in the Northwest Observer Town Forum on November 18th by Editor Patti Stokes:

"On Thursday, Nov. 17, Principal Wanda LeGrand announced that she has accepted a position with a school system in Charleston and will leave NWHS, effective Nov. 28. LeGrand resumed the role of principal in June 2004 after Anne Murr, the principal for 10 years, accepted another position with Guilford County Schools. Since that time, Asst. Principal Ralph Kitley has also left, three other assistant principals have left, and the school has experienced over a 30 percent teacher turnover in the last year alone.

Are at least some of these changes indicative of problems at NWHS? Is it time to talk openly with the students, staff and community and find out what's going on, and how these changes are affecting moral and the education of our students? Should Ralph Kitley be brought back to replace LeGrand and restore history, insight, and stability to the school's everchanging personnel? "

Imagine this happening in what many consider the highest-performing high school in the school district. If we have administrator and teacher morale issues in this school, can you imagine what it's like in the others? Whose going to step up and be held accountable for these problems? Surely, it won't be Terry Grier. I'm sure that one of his central office minons will be the fall person. The one thing you can count on at this school is that their school board representative will step forward and be part of the solution, and not part of the problem, like it is in High Point.

HP Resident,

What are your recommendations? Where do we start? If the two directly-responsible governmental entities won't or can't address this problem, what are citizens supposed to do? In the last two elections, voters returned many of those responsible individuals back to office. Why did they do that, if they are incapable of solving these problems?

You might recall that Mayor Smothers stated several months ago that schools weren't her responsibility. Of course, she changed her tune a little when her competitor expressed a different position. But, now that she is re-elected, it is unlikely that she will do anything.

Perhaps, one thing that citizens can do to own the problem and address it is to understand the problem, realize that these elected officials won't do anything, and replace them with someone who will. We can start in 2006 by replacing Susan Mendenhall with someone who has an interest in solving these problems and has the competencies and is willing to apply them to solving the problems.

I couldn't agree more, Stormy. I was disappointed that, in the last election, only something like 11 percent of folks eligible to vote in HP actually voted. And in return, we now have the same "status quo" representatives that we had before. It's nice that Becky Smothers, et al. commissioned this study, but if it's left collecting dust on a shelf, it means nothing.

I don't have all the answers, Stormy, and I'm not sure where to start. But that report scared me enough to want to help to accomplish something positive in HP. And I think it takes a grassroots approach to make it happen. Can you imagine if the 50+ people that regularly posted on this blog, regularly showed up at city council meetings and demanded change, or even demanded that the Council take an ACTIVE stance with the schools? And if they're not, each election day, WE get out there and encourage everyone we know to vote---hopefully a more concentrated effort would attract more than 11 percent of HP residents.

What do you think?

HP Resident,

I'd like to think that the regular posters on this blog could group together and bring change as you suggested. I know many of these people, and I can tell you that over the past 1 1/2 years many of them attended school board meetings and other school meetings with a passion. They wrote letters and emails and contacted school board representatives about issues of concern almost daily. A lot of energy and action of a lot of people was expended. And, guess what the result of all of that effort really was. Nada. Nothing was really changed as the result of the grassroot movement. Most of the time concerns that were expressed were ignored and went unanswered.

I hate to be negative on the possibilites of change by committed people, but in this case, in this county, all of the action changed little to nothing. Probably the only thing that was accomplished was that we were able to be a major irritant to those people that were responsible. Would we have better luck with the City Council, I don't know, but after beating your head against a stone wall for a year or two, you tend to get a pretty sore head, and little else to show for it.

But, maybe it's just me showing my frustration and fatique. Perhaps, the others still have the energy to do as you suggest. I hope so, and maybe you will volunteer and take the lead for them.

Bruce,

I know that you said that you wold post a link about Grier's fuzzy goals later on, but as I read the editorial, I find the last line of it most interesting. It says someting like "in all fairness to Dr. Grier, he should have clear goals".

For most people, having clear and specific goals is ideal. It tells them what the need to do to succeed. But, in this case, I suspect that Terry Grier likes those goals being fuzzy just fine. After all, clear and specific goal achievement is pretty hard to spin, but whose to say whether a fuzzy goal is or isn't achieved? I've heard people before respond to their level of achievement on fuzzy goals by saying that they accomplished what the goal as tehy understood it. If they didn't meet the expectations of the individual that set the goal, it was that individual's fault. So, if the board really wanted to set serious goals, they should have been fair to themselves. I'm sure that they will realize that when time for the evaluation rolls around and there is a disagreement on whether the goal was met or not.

FYI: If you want to read the editorial Stormy is talking about, I posted it under the "Dr. Grier's Goals" thread. It's not available as a link, but if you scroll down, you can find it.

Or you can pick up a copy of today's paper and flip to page A10.

There is a simple solution to many of the problems indicated in the workforce preparedness study. Fundamental competencies have to be mastered before students can learn specific skills. In other words, many of the magnet high school programs are a HUGE waste of resources in terms of workforce preparedness.

I teach at GTCC. The largest program at our college by far is our remedial program which brings incoming students UP TO minimum college levels in reading and math. My students cannot do simple math and their reading and writing skills are horrible coming out of high school.

It is foolishness to create technology based magnet programs when basic skills are so woefully inadequate. The greatest good the school system could do for students is to prepare them for post secondary education, whether it be two or four years. The school system should not (cannot) be in the business of training students for skill specific careers when it is unable to give so many students basic skills competency.
Of course, this is not sexy and it does not allow Grier to pad his resume or Board members to continue to dupe the general public.

Once again, the children are arriving at High Schools not knowing how to read and right.
How will the choice plan change that? What is Dot and Susan's plan to improve the middle and elementary schools.

They are just shooting in the dark but to me it is just common sense.

Thanks for your response, Stormy. In your post, you mentioned that the only thing you accomplished was to be a major irritant to those involved. I disagree. I think you and your group continue to keep an issue of concern alive. There's nothing wrong with that and there's nothing wrong with neighborhood schools....if it was such a bad thing, NO school district would have them.

History tells us that folks who usually keep issues alive usually win out in the end--look at the Civil Rights Movement, a woman's right to vote, etc. Now, I don't mean to bore you, but I guess my point is to hang in there--you are being heard.

But back to my orignal post, I still think that change is possible, it will just take time.

HP Resident,

Somehow this conversation about being an irritant to teh school board reminds me of an old joke about teaching pigs to sing. Some day I'll let you in on the punch line, if you haven't already heard it. Somehow this joke just keeps running through my mind as we talk about the school board.

I will NEVER believe that the lottery is good for ANYONE. Let's say for a minute, however, that those that believe it is are right.

If it is so beneficial, why is it being restricted to these three high schools. It can't be both ways. It is either GOOD FOR ALL or it's GOOD FOR NONE.

Which is it school board?

I sent an E-mail to the High Point City Council about this study and got a reply from one of the elected members. In this persons reply he stated quote;

" It will take a unified community to rises up and says that we are not going to take it any more. Only then are we as a community going to move forward. This will stop the GCS Board and it's administration from being able to say, well we can't do anything with those folks from High Point. They see High Point and it's citizens as the problem. They do not see their lack of direction and commitment to a high quality education as an issue".

Thoughts?

I am thinking that NHP citizens were pretty unified and vocal about the IT plan before it was implemented and now afterwards. So how do we win here? I am at a loss to see how parents can stop the board doing whatever it wants and whatever it dreams up.

Reassigned,

Whoever that HP City Council member was, he/she is just waiting to see which way the wind is going to blow on this issue before getting involved. They are governing by consensus, and not by principle. Yeah, they'll really demand that something be done and change, once they know that the tide is moving in that direction, and the citizens wil have to get the wind blowing first. They won't stick their neck out and commit to any action until that time. It's called playing politics.

HP Resident,

Regarding your first post. Many of us who are involved in fighting the IT Plan do not live in the City of High Point. We are in the Jamestown area but in the county. Others live north of HP in the county.

Our voices wouldn't be that important at an HP City Council meeting as we aren't a "vote" in the City of HP. However, we certainly have a lot of friends and influence in HP. I do agree though that we are more than an irritant; that change takes time and persistance; that our kids' futures are that important and that the IT Plan is morally wrong; that treating a child as a lottery number to establish one's political agenda is wrong; that putting a kid on an unnecessary long bus ride away from his friends and community is wrong.

Common sense would tell anyone that children do not learn by osmosis; it takes a combination of natural ability, hard work and commitment. A support network is helpful. If osmosis worked, it would have worked before the IT Plan and it didn't. It certainly doesn't work that way in any elementary school where I have taught; I doubt it works in high school either.

You can give up HOPE, but it cannot be taken from you. So many of us hang on and HOPE that one day the lottery will go away.

Thanks for your response, Barbara Ann. In my first post, I had referenced the study and the citizenry of High Point, but I did not mean to exclude our friends from Jamestown.

After reading Reassigned's post regarding the HP City Counsel person, I think it underscores my point, that we can't wait for our "representatives" (and I use that term lightly) to speak for us. I know that HP and Jamestown parents presented and continue to present a united effort against the choice plan. And I see that it is working, albeit slowly. Your complaints at least fell on the ears of Anita Sharpe who asked to see what neighborhood zones would look like. And I think that Ms. Garrett is in your corner as well.

I still think that a united front is the way to go. Do you remember when the board of education was thinking about including Ragsdale in the plan, and one parent from Adams Farm went to the meeting and spoke, and the plan was scrapped? That said to me that the board didn't want to mess with Adams Farm parents. What do they have that we don't (other than the obvious answer). Do you remember the recent Penn Griffin forum in which the wife of the NAACP leader "gently reminded" selected Board members that it was the NAACP who put them into office? Again, what do they have that HP/Jamestown parents don't?

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THAT'S what Susan Mendenhall hears when her constituents speak. Unlike of course when Dotty, her leader speaks, she's all ears.

HP resident,

If you have not noticed parents in North High Point Jamestown are NOT waiting on their representatives.

You cannot wait for something you don't have!

Quite frankly, you have offended me by implying one Adams Farms parent could speak at a meeting and end any prospects of involvement in HP plan.

I continue to follow your dilema even though I moved before this school year started to Meck. Co. I always have appreciated the effort put forth by Tim Mann and MANY others who tried to stop this foolishness. I took the easy way out. I moved.

Tim may have a great point. It may be in your best interest to stop fighting the details and to get everyone focused on the basic premise of what's good for one is good for all.

It would be hard for anyone to defend the plan as good for some but not for all. In talking with my friends in other parts of the county, there would be a major revolt if the school system tried to implement this chaos elsewhere.

The rest of the county would help defend your position because they wouldn't want their child to be a lottery child.

Meck. Co. got rid of our busing before I moved here. Long live neighborhood schools.

PS I miss my friends from JamesPointTown.

High Point is "different". High Point is NOT Greensboro. High Point has a long "history" of diversity needs. Umm, what else have we been told when questioning the need for a "plan" for the rest of Guilford county?

You see here's the problem: Dot Kearns WANTS a plan. So what Dot Kearns wants, she gets. Greensboro doesn't "need" a plan because Central High is in High Point. This entire plan is about CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL. This "choice" plan is NOT about diversity, if that were true then more kids would be traded around. The only kids getting moved are kids from Southwest High going to Central. The "choice" plan is just a 'cover' to make those moves legit.

You see there really is no "choice" plan. THAT's why it can't be implemented County wide.

InMeckNow,

The premise of "if the plan is good for High Point it is good for the rest of the county", has been brought up by many of the High Point parents on numerous occasions in letters, e-mails, blogging and in speeches. In fact, several months ago, Garth Hebert gave an excellent speech pointing this out quite blatently to the school board, that it was hypocritical if this was such a "great" plan that it needs to go countywide. Thus the reason for the current dilema - the SB is now deciding how to get rid of the plan and safe face, if at all.

Insider makes some excellent and very wise points. 100% of Central and Andrews got their first choice. SWH did not. 2nd or 3rd choice is not choice. You are right about the "major revolt" - why do you think it isn't there yet? Also these people have representatives who did not initiate the IT plan and second the motion.

If you notice who is "defending" the plan recently, it is Dot, Susan, Marti - those who initially voted for the plan. Some other SB members aren't commenting recently. Kris has recently questioned the IT Plan. Nancy R has said she didn't have a problem with true magnets, just had a problem with the lottery. Anita proposed the neighborhood maps to really look at the feasiblity of that and the costs of busing, etc. Other board members may be rethinking their initial vote. It certainly has been a PR nightmare for them and election 2006 is not far away.

Parents have not given up hope that one day the lottery will be gone. There are some indicators in that direction.

People aren't out defending the plan in other parts of the county because it hasn't hit them yet. Also, they have reps who wouldn't stand for this and they know it.

HP Resident,

Actually many of us, including myself, do not live in Jamestown. That is our p.o. for mail; we live in the county as do some folks north of SWH.

I agree with you that some board members are listening and it is slow. I think if the IT plan goes away, they are trying to make compromises to save face and also look at neighborhood schools as Anita has suggested. Most know it has been disaster and the protests will not quit. They just can't agree on an alternative solution at this time.

As to the one parent at Adams Farm? That parent could have saved her gas that night. It takes more than one parent to sway this board. It is all politics. Adams Farm residents knew they were never in danger of being redistricted. Anita wouldn't allow it. Besides that many feel the initial swapping maps were all bogus for bait to "date and not marry" and never ever intend to "marry". It might have brought people out to say "no please let us keep the IT Plan, we don't want the swapping maps." That's about it. Just all "proposal" maps; nothing solid.

Also besides the NAACP wife, it was a minister and a City Council HP rep who gave quite a few clear messages that night. We all heard it loud and clear.

One other tid-bit: The High Point "Plan" has been a win-win for not only Central but for some other "options" that were being under-utilized. The flee from the lottery has caused some students to seek out some of the other High School Options in Guilford County that were not as popular before. (Weaver, IB, Middle Colleges, etc..) "IT" makes it look like there's more interest. That "it" is sure a clever little "plan."

I really hope that the neighborhood maps thing was not just smoke and mirrors, but you might be right, BA. I just don't know what to believe anymore--it's so very disheartening.

Going back to the original post, I'm wondering why Becky and her crew commissioned this study if they plan to do nothing about the school situation? Originally I was of the thought that if we as citizens rose up and owned the problem, and "took back" our government, it would make a difference. But I'm now wondering if that was too naieve a thought. You're right, BA, politics are politics. I'm so depressed.

I will post another quote from the reply I had from the HP City council member.

"High Point Council has heard from many citizens. We have heard that they are unhappy with the schools and demand improvement. We have heard you and others say we want you to do something. We have responded, this study shows that our schools are not accomplishing the task that they are charged to do. High Point Council has chosen not to publicly tell the school board how to educate children or to say where each child should attend school but we are insisting that they learn and be prepared for tomorrow. High Point Council has said and shown that education in High Point is in the bottom 25% of our nation and we aren't going to accept that.
High Point Council has established a baseline for community educational improvement. We over the next months will work with interested/committed citizens to establish benchmarks and timetables to achieve improvement. We will continue to exert pressure for educational improvement. We will not get into the details of how that can be done best. That is the job of GCS, their board and the parents like you to work through. What we have done is to hold up a mirror to our community and take a critical look at where we are. We are demanding improvement and proving clear expectations for the future".

Thanks for the post, Reassigned. Lots of words that really mean our "representatives' in the HP City Council plan to do nothing.

Incredible.

The funny thing is that there have been a couple of forums on this study already for public input but I dont think they have been widely publicised. Yet another indication that this will end up in nothing.
Now HP you can see why people are tired and are packing their bags. There is no way out. You can't influence the Board or the Council. I am beginning to think that the color of my skin is not right some people ( sorry to say that ).

I just cant work out how Ragsdale get out of it so easy? Has Billy R got that much influence?

Insider,

Great observation. The IT Plan has certainly helped Weaver and the Early College at Guilford, and the IB Program at Central - only the best of the best for them. Of course the bright kids of SW would pick this as their 2nd choice and get it.

HP Resident,

No need to be depressed. The 2006 elections are just around the corner and the make-up of the SB could change. Just don't count on the HP City government to do anything. Reassigned's memo from a council member confirms that. Heck, Fantasia already told them this before their study. Back to your question as to why Becky and her crew commissioned this study - IMHO - and just my thoughts and opinion here:

1. If they were going to get involved and intended to do something they would have done it when all the very loud protests were going on by their constituents against the IT Plan. They did nothing.

2. If they protested too loudly, how would they have gotten the Simeon Stadium for their Market Parking Lot?

3. If they protested too loudly, how would they have any chance of getting back the red light money that by law belongs to the schools for the children.

4. Then suddenly Fantasia appears and tells her story in national publications and on TV to millions of readers/viewers. They could either, deny, deny, deny (which they know would be proven wrong) or acknowledge the problem and pretend to do something. The test scores, teachers leaving and some schools getting to choose an Opt Out because of NCLB have proven there was a problem long before this committee.

5. The memo says they are now holding up a "mirror" to our community. I would think the mirror should be facing our school board and administration. They are the "experts". They are the ones paid and elected to be responsble for the education of our children. Many of the parent volunteers that could have been the extra support have gone private or moved. They just don't care anymore. They left. Those that remain and have the IT Plan to thank, have to worry about carting their own kids between several schools and volunteering all over different ends of town, working out schedules.

6. The City didn't need a commission to tell them the shape of the schools. Read the papers in the past year. Study the SAT's, AYP's and ABC's. Walk in a typical algebra class (not honors) and see who "gets" it; look at the disruptions and rudeness in these classes. Read some student papers on the wall as one parent of a 9th grader mentioned. The 25% bottom was a shocker and very sad indeed.

7. The City could establish all the benchmarks and timetables to achieve improvement from now until whenever. But the truth is that GCS does not report to them; they have to adhere now to the NCLB laws or find ways around them. Notice their comment "we will not get into the details of how that can be done best". They don't know how it can best be done. It will be interesting to see what "CONTINUE" to exert pressure means. I don't see how they can "CONTINUE" when the parents have not seen any pressure by the City of HP to date. Have you ever seen the mayor or a council member speak out at the SB meetings?

8. It was learned by many of the citizens that some of the city leaders had supported the IT Plan. How is that exerting pressure to improve education? The IT Plan is failing miserably on all counts. A member of City Council stood up at the P-G forum and said she supported the IT Plan. I have read the council supports the Mayor. So does the Mayor and the rest of the council support the IT Plan now? Good question that needs to be answered.

And to answer Reassigned question about Ragsdale. Yes, many have heard that Mr. Ragsdale has a lot of influence. Didn't the HP reps have influence (Dot and Susan) in getting the IT Plan passed in their neck of the woods? Also Anita wouldn't want this plan for her school. She voted against the IT Plan on 2/10/04. Besides there was no need to bring in extra WWW's for Central. They got what they needed from SWH.

And HP Resident, I would like to think that Anita's recent, entire county map is not all smoke and mirrors. The initial swapping maps were considered a joke by many - a diversion tactic. What did they accomplish to "reduce overcrowding"? They just switched numbers from neighborhoods. One thing about having a county map is it establishes a master map on record. Any tweaking would be done from that. It's too bad it's so hard to read on line and streets aren't even marked.

Hope this helps. This is just my opinion and observations here based on following the issues the past several years.

There was an LYE in the N-R several days ago from a lady who lived in Davidson County, and she was complaining about the rapid growith and annexation of areas in that county by the City of High Point. Her concern was the pressure that the annexation and uncontrolled growth being allowed by High Point was placing upon Davidson County schools. Obviously, the same problem is occurring there as in North High Point. Growth by developers is being allowed and encouraged without any regard to the problems created in the schools. This growth presents children to be educated in schools that doesn't exist, and the property taxes won't catch-up for several years. Again, High Point is encouraging development and growth as fast as it can, so that it can be annexed, and they are turning their head away from the problems it causes in the schools. Again, they say there the same thing as Guilford..they aren't responsible for the schools. But they are because of the uncontrolled growth. High Point City officials must be held accountable in some way. It't too easy for them to look the other way. Eventually, this behavior will catch-up with the city, as we have seen in the workforce report.

Stormy,

Like someone said a few days ago in a blog, North HP was put there to help support old High Point. Keep on building, collecting those taxes and who cares about the roads and the overcrowded schools?

as a p.s. to my last post:

One more thing.... until the City of HP steps forward OPENLY and supports the dissolution of the IT Plan, until it supports the fair treatment of ALL students in High Point to get their first choice of schools like the rest of Guilford County - a traditional neighborhood school with a magnet option, until every tear of every SW middle schooler who has cried over this plan has been dried, I doubt you will get much parental support to help.

You may be able to turn kids into a lottery number and force them on a long bus ride if their parents can't afford to move or if their job transfers have not come in yet, but you will never force their parents to cooperate with the hidden intentions of the IT plan. They have no interest in satisfying the agendas of the original Central parents nor their numerous alumni no matter who they are. From what I have heard, the kids are just there at their "new" schools for the day. The parents aren't volunteering in the "new" schools in record numbers as some people thought they would. You did not get their time nor their money nor their cooperation. You have lost these good parents to other communities, counties, and private schools and you will continue to lose out. You will lose their tax dollars too.

From what every SW parent heard from various speakers at the P-G forum, the agenda was loud and clear that promises were made to certain groups. SW people knew where they stood that night in the scheme of things. Parents aren't buying into this "let's all work together now" deal for the good of "all the schools." The SW kids have been wronged and that has not changed since 2/11/04. The wrong must be righted first for our children.

Just saw the Wizard of Oz this past week in Greensboro. It was great. Reminded me of a few things.

The Scarecrow always had the ability to think, but he didn't have a DIPLOMA.

The Tinman always had a heart (didn't know it - remember he could cry and rust) but he didn't have a TESTIMONIAL that ticked.

The Lion always had some courage (he helped get the broom back) just didn't have his MEDAL to prove it.

The City of High Point has known about the condition of our schools for how long now? They definitely knew about the condition of our schools in the past two years if they only read the paper and saw the scores; they were certainly aware of all the protest against the IT Plan and they knew why; they certainly attended some community meetings and also talked to individuals about why people were upset. They can certainly read the papers and see that it continues to fail daily. BUT they didn't have a COMMISSION to study the reasons. WOW! A commission to say what they knew all along.

Well the kids want a meaningful DIPLOMA. The City Council could do one of those "whereas...., whereas...blah, blah, whereas....blah, blah TESTIMONIALS on why they are against the IT Plan and how it has failed our children (Heck - the county commissioners and other entities do these WHEREAS things all the time) and as for the MEDAL well parents would like to see some courage put forth - some result oriented efforts before any medals are given. There is a certain 12 Star General that now wears many because he continues to fight for the SW kids.

It would be nice if this all wasn't smoke and mirrors. There was certainly enough of that in OZ too.

Happy Turkey Day tomorrow to all in blogland. And Thank You Lord for not letting us buy a house in High Point and for giving many of us true options that are not just smoke and mirrors.

High Point also has the Wicked Witch of the West and her sister, The Wicked Witch of the East. Both graduated from Central High School.

Thanks for your e-mails. I don't have anything to add, but I did want to wish all of you a Happy Thanksgiving.

I'd like to second that, HP resident. Here's wishing a happy Thanksgiving to everyone out there in Chalkboard land. And if you will be on the road, we wish you safe travels.

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