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Is Freedom of Speech the issue?

Interesting conversation going on at Greensboro101.com. At issue is a message delivered by a group that books space on GCTV, Greensboro's public access cable channel 8.
According to the posting by blogger Roch101, who watched the show in question, "Chief High Priest" Tazadaqyah of "The Hidden Truth" said during the show that homosexuals are "supposed to be killed."
The show is apparently a production of The Holy Conception Unit in Philadelphia, which is identified on their website as an affiliate of the Israelite Church of God and Jesus Christ, Inc.
Has Tazadaqyah crossed the line -- even for cable? Is there a place for him -- and censorship -- on public access cable?
Comment here or there.

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Eric said:

This sort of thing has been examined from the very beginning of the Republic.

"The declaration that religious faith shall be unpunished, does not give impunity to criminal acts, dictated by religious error."
[Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1788. ME 7:98]

That being said, I'll point out that this is hardly the first time the idea that gays should be killed has been mentioned in public. I've lost count of the Christian televangelists who have said as much. Of course, they're only the messengers... the Bible says gays are to be executed, after all.

Mark Sills said:

Come on Eric. Where in YOUR Bible does it say Gays should be executed? Are you sure of your translation from the original? Do you know anything of context?

So far as I am concerned, and I am a very strong defender of the first amendment and of the rights of religious minorities to practice their faith without censure, but only to a point. That point has been reached and passed when a religion teaches things that harm children or advocate for violence against anyone.

If anyone acts on the advice of such a "minister", I feel not only the actor, but also the "minister" should be held responsible in a court of law.

Certainly, Cable TV should stop broadcasting such material at once!

Eric said:

Well, Mark, if you'll turn in your Bible to the front part, you'll find this:

Lev 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them."

I'll leave it to you to figure out what context or translation can make this verse say something else.

You may find it interesting to read the Torah and list the number of laws that include capital punishment. Picking up sticks on the Sabbath, disobeying your parents... yep, quite a few things.

Rachel said:

I certainly don't agree with what Tazadaqyah said, but it is public access tv, and there is freedom of speech.
Just because people don't agree with it, doesn't mean he has to be censored.

Mark Sills said:

The question I ask is: are you sure of your translation and what about the context? Isn't it interesting that those who are so concerned with Lev. 20:13 have somehow missed all that goes before and after. Are we to "put to death" any child that curses his/her parent? That's what Leviticus says we must do. This part of the scripture permits slavery. Shall we re-introduce slavery today? Is that what God wants for us to do?

When studying the "Word of God" it is necessary to study the text itself, as well as the cultural context of that text, and we must use all of the resources we have at hand, including the tradition of the Church and our own intellegence, seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit. At least that is what many of us in the Wesleyan tradition believe.

When this is done, and text are not lifted out of context but considered in their totality, it is clear that the prohibition on homosexuality is not about sexual orientation, or even the sex act itself (assuming the complete consent of both parties, and that both parties are, in fact, of the same orientation and not acting in an unnatural way by having sex with someone they are not attracted to, and also assuming that they are not having sex with someone who is married to someone else.....etc.) but against exploitation and abuse of others.

Consistency is an issue here. To take Lev. 20:13 literally, we would certainly have to kill anyone who performed a homosexual act. However, we also would have to kill all children who use a curse word toward their parent. In fact, the Code of Leviticus requires:

+ a child to be killed if he/she curses their parent (Leviticus 20:9)
+ all persons guilty of adultery to be killed (20:10)
+ the daughter of a priest who engages in prostitution to be burned alive until dead (21:9)
+ the bride of a priest to be a virgin (21:13)
+ ritual killing of animals, using cattle, sheep and goats (22:19)
+ observation of 7 feasts: Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Firstfruits, Feast of Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles (23)
+ a person who takes the Lord's name in vain is to be killed (24:16)

Let's talk about how relevant and proper all of these "laws of God" are today in our world. Let's also talk about Jesus and His teachings if we are talking together as Christians. I've searched hard and have yet to find a single comment from Jesus that would condemn a homosexual. However, Jesus clearly and without doubt forbade divorce. Perhaps that should be the topic of our conversation.

Eric said:

Mark, I merely said that these things are in the Bible. You asked where and I provided the reference. Being an atheist, I don't for a moment believe it has any weight of authority. It's the believers who are ignorant of the content and yet call it "the word of God" who need to learn about the horrible stuff in it and figure out how to deal with it.

Mike Truth said:

Rachel you really have no idea what you are talking about, your foolish opinion made no sense, and all the laws that you posted up that said why one should be killed,when Jesus Christ comes back and those people are stilling committing those acts,they will be put to death,thus saith the lord, the only reason they are not being put to death now, is because it is not the time, the rulers of this world are under the authority of Satan for a time peiod until the time appointed is up,thus saith the Lord. So when the time to excute judgment comes,believe me, Jesus Christ will excute the judgment.

King of Controversy said:

The Holy Bible is clear, yes, disobedient children were stoned, adulterers were stoned and homosexuals were killed. You people act as if you have forgotten about Sodom and Gomorrah. Did not God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? Yes, He did. If God had any tolerance for homosexual relations or did not literally mean homosexuals are to be killed, why did He destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? Apostle Tazadaqyah only told the truth. Please get the demons out of you, people.

Zayan said:

There's no point in trying to convince an unbeliever, the bible says, "for what if some did not believe? Does that make the word of God of any less effect?" The bible says "the spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive" Apostle and Chief High Priest Tazadaqyah IS the GOD SENT COMFORTER!!!!!!! This is not an attempt to convince anyone....the job of the israelites is to just tell you the Truth, The bible says "whether they hear or forbear (though they be a rebellious house) yet they will know that a prophet has been among them. But let me warn you...The words that he speak comes from Jesus Christ...the bible says that "He shal not speak of himself, but whatsoever shall he hear, that shall he speak". And the only sin that has no forgiveness from God, is the sin of speaking against the Holy Spirit, WHICH IS ON THE COMFORTER...APOSTLE AND CHIEF HIGH PRIEST TAZADAQYAH!!!!

Tara Agnew said:

The bible speaks of false prophets and those who shall follow them. Those supporting and following a man(Tazadaqyah) who professes to be the comforter the scripture speaks of us, really should study the word of God more to show themselves approved.

The Comforter tha the scripture speaks of referes to the spirit of God that was to be sent back to the people and was fulfilled on the day of Pentacost spoken of in Acts chapter 2.

A few scriptures on False prophets:

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24(KJV)

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. John I 4:1 (KJV)

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Mark 13:22(KJV)

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Matthew 24:11
(KJV)

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:15 (KJV)

Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. Luke 6:26 (KJV)

We have freedom of speech to a degree accordin to the constitution, but Christians should be watchful and prayful to prevent being deceived.

let the truth be told said:

Woe unto you when men shall speak well of you
for so did their father do to the false prohets. luke 6:26 KJV So far all I've seen is negative comments made about Apostle and Chief High priest Tazadaqyah. So that should tell you something!!!! If homosexaulity is the way how would life on earth continue. PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT ONE? Leviticus 20:13 was not taken out of context if so HOW AND WHERE? Just because YOU don't believe does not make the faith of GOD without effect. Because all unbeliever will die in their unbelief (so says the scripture) So people be very very careful that you don't blaspheme the HOLY SPIRIT because that is something that you CANNOT be forgiven for. As far as homosexuality; people that commit this unspeakable act please repent... and turn your life over to Christ, unless you will be in danger of that judgement, which is death!

let the truth be told said:

Woe unto you when men shall speak well of you
for so did their father do to the false prohets. luke 6:26 KJV So far all I've seen is negative comments made about Apostle and Chief High priest Tazadaqyah. So that should tell you something!!!! If homosexaulity is the way how would life on earth continue. PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT ONE? Leviticus 20:13 was not taken out of context if so HOW AND WHERE? Just because YOU don't believe does not make the faith of GOD without effect. Because all unbeliever will die in their unbelief (so says the scripture) So people be very very careful that you don't blaspheme the HOLY SPIRIT because that is something that you CANNOT be forgiven for. As far as homosexuality; people that commit this unspeakable act please repent... and turn your life over to Christ, unless you will be in danger of that judgement, which is death!

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