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He makes a good point, but...

Interesting discussion with a friend over a recent 'honor killing' in Pakistan.

"What gets me about this is that the horrible situation for women in Pakistan is apparently supported by the government in an ostensible effort to 'protect traditional family values,' " he said. "Since we have a long history of doing just that here in America, are we really in a position to condemn this practice in other countries?"

Could we go from here (debate over end of life, abortion, gay rights, etc.,) to there?

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eric said:

Since the man was arrested and charged with murder, obviously the government doesn't officially support the concept of honor killing.

What struck me about the story is that 1) the man shows no apparent remorse over what he did, indicating that he fully expects societal support for what he did, 2) this story appears to be exceptional only in the fact that this father killed children on the assumption that they would "sin" in the future, and 3) there was an implication in the story that most honor killings are ignored by the police, in spite of the fact that such killings are illegal. So there appears to by implicit support by the police if not necessarily the national government.

But beyond all that, the article states a fact that has been known for a long time, that the military rulers in Pakistan aren't very interested in removing or updating Sharia laws... many of which are outright cruel and against modern conceptions of human rights.

Perhaps it's too much of a stretch to say American "family values" issues show a similar mindset here. Or maybe it's just a matter of degrees. Might be something to think about anyway...

Sue said:

"honor" killing (which has no honor in it all) is cultural and not really legal. The country would like to join the 21st century (and get foreign aid) so it has to "outlaw" this practice, which it can't legislate anyway.

We banned polygamy; it's the closest comparison I can find.

"Honor" killing is about women and not about religion or honor or education. It's about hating women, believing that they are worthless and are commodities (which is a cultural perspective).

It makes as much sense to me as African leaders who deny that HIV is viral or transmitted sexually because it puts the burden on MEN to stop raping women. They're not willing to go that far, I think.

When you think it's about culture, or honor, or disease and death, chances are you're going to find, at the bottom, a hatred of women fueling the fire.

Nancy McLaughlin said:

I guess I'm just expecting something to explode/implode in the cultural wars here.

Nikos said:

The real reason that modern humanist/atheist types hate Christian family values is that they threaten the advancement of their own “values:” things like gay marriage and adoption, feminist anti-marriage positions, abortion on demand, etc. Your ridiculous attempt in these entries to associate Christian family values with those of this Islamic nut case shows how destitute you are of sound argumentation.

The widespread implementation of your values has done nothing but cause untold pain and corruption of family life and marriage across the country. There is nothing more wonderful than a godly marriage and family, bringing forth loving and happy children who themselves hold to biblical values of moral purity and righteousness.
The grungy, moral degeneracy of the modern American media has done nothing but ruin lives and bring our nation to the brink of collapse. The Christian family values you scoff at are the cement that is holding what’s left of our great culture (warts, failures and all) together.
In the end you scoff at the holy God of heaven and earth, and it is to Him that you must give account.

It is Messiah Yeshua, who is the “way the truth and the life,” full of grace and mercy. Islam is nothing but a powerful pastiche of legalism and error, prone to harshness and violence – by which it has spread its hideous influence across the face of the earth. The gross violation of human rights of which you speak is foreign to the TRUE Christian message and value system.

Human rights are really properly termed GIFTS from God; life principles that reflect the fact than human beings are created in God’s image. It is from this well of righteousness and love that humanity has derived all its concern about the well being of others. Humanists did not discover this; they merely ripped it off from God, to suit the advance of their own faithless and corrupt agenda.

The only explosion that we need is the explosion of the true Gospel of grace and intelligent propagation of biblical truth in every sphere of American life.

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