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Sounds familier, doesn't it?

Nonesense! Again, we have a blatantly political subject line that has little or no religious content - typical at this site; which seems determined to prejudice readers against Conservative positions and candidates by drawing ridiculous parallels between Islamo-fascists and the Bush administration, or any conservative target group in their crosshairs, whether it be the SBC or other conservatives Christian groups. Well, that truth is out.

While conservatives may not LIKE or agree with liberal/ leftist professors, and push for a more balanced mix of viewpoints to be expressed (even allowed) in the liberal-dominated classrooms, they are not usually calling for a forced removal of them all, or trying to suppress their free speech rights. In fact, it’s the liberal-leftists who are the fascistic types in many of these scenarios by oppressing and suppressing conservative student viewpoints, not the conservatives.

But if radical leftists (or rightists) are blatantly aiding and abetting our sworn enemies, they SHOULD be opposed AND PROSECUTED under the law and prevented from destroying our nation and its democratic institutions. This has been our national policy since its inception. It's called treason! Imagine letting a vocal Nazi teach at an American university DURING WW II. But just seeking to advance one’s agenda as a conservative by using lawful means of protest and action to change the make-up of the Congress OR educational institutions is nowhere near what the president of Iran is doing. It’s sheer lunacy to suggest it. I’ll stop while I can still be civil. So much for my request for a semblance of balance in this blog.

"Nonesense! Again, we have a blatantly political subject line that has little or no religious content - typical at this site; which seems determined to prejudice readers against Conservative positions and candidates by drawing ridiculous parallels between Islamo-fascists and the Bush administration"

Ever hear of the term "Christofacist"?

Are you saying there are no Christian leaders in this country that are doing their level best to turn America into a "Christian-only" nation? Would you like a list of articles on the subject?

pardon me sir, am i in the religious section of news & record blogs ??

Well, on second thought, this really illustrates the fact that ALL of life is "relgious," and that humanism REALLY IS a religion; because religion is ANY system of thought and organization with ultimate principles of human living that seeks to actively implement its agenda.

Yes, just as you atheist-humanist-socialistic types want to dominate and control this society, so Christains desire to see thier deeply held values implemented and working to the benefit of all as well. This is UNDERSTOOD where a democracy is concerned. You speak out, proselytize, advertize, convince, preach - all you legally can to vote-in your agenda. But you don't murder, use car bombs etc. As always, there is the bell curve of folks, including some extremist types who go beyond the pale; of which the atheist/humanist left has it own versions - there are websites for them as well!

But the active Christain conservative block is legitimately working to see its values and agenda elected. That IS NOT Christo-fascism!!! Using such a term is merely a part of the left's continued tactic of trying to associate political and religious Christian conservaatism with the radical Islamic terrorists - the "American Talliban" etc. The left just can't stand the idea that Christians are activists, just as they are. We're supposed to nice little relgious Christians who stay on our side of the separation divide. Just sing "Do Lord" and leave the governing and culture building to us. NO WAY, baby! We're b-a-c-k.

"Yes, just as you atheist-humanist-socialistic types want to dominate and control this society"

You are accusing me of wanting to dominate this society now? Please explain this charge and support that claim. So far as I know, I have never urged religion to become illegal or even a source of discrimination.

Your alarmist claims are a sad attempt to deflect the conversation from the heart of the matter... the work of many Christian leaders (please note that I do not say "all" or "most") to wreck the structures of our government that allow for freedom of religion.

"NO WAY, baby! We're b-a-c-k."

I have no problem with you participating in the political process under most circumstances. But if you urge the government to remove a freedom to speech or religion, you will cross a line. Don't think you can override the Constitution. You may be able to amend it to suit your desires if you can convince enough people, but that is an area best left alone... IMO.

Actually, the liberal humanist atheist agenda has pretty much come to dominate the real power centers of American life: universities, media and the judiciary. And they (you seem to be one) want to extend that "control" by maintaining abortion, extending gay marriage, etc. These are two oil and water worldviews, so instense competition is unavoidable. And no consistent biblical conservative wants "freedom" at the expense of principle; for there can be no true freedom apart from knowing God and obeying his Word (Rom. 6. 15-23) Gay marriage is not freedom, but bondage of the basest sort; as is pornography, drug consumption and prostitution.

I do believe in our Constitution and the right of free expression and belief; but I also believe that this nation was seen by it self for many many decades as a Christian nation, regardless of the variations in theology, from Deist to RC. Any movement or pressure group that wants to institute unbiblical morality is bringing the nation into sore bondage, for sin always brings bondage. Why do criminals end up behind bars or pay penalties?

We are all "criminals" before God if we break His moral Law. So, yes, biblical Christians do indeed want our government and its mechanisms to reflect biblical standards in every area of life, but we are not prepared to force it on the populace top-down. Passing laws is not “imposing” policy. Liberal courts have forced abortion and porn down Christians’ throats for decades. If we can get OUR proponents elected, conservative judges set in, and laws passed we are not transgressing the Constitution in doing so. Those who want top-down imposition are so few and far between as to be irrelevant - as on the left. Just because the battle is fierce doesn’t mean most Americans have abandoned the Constitution. And just because a constituency wants its values and principles advanced in no way implies such. It cuts both ways.

Correction: I should not have said that liberals have "forced abortion . . . decades." They actually used legitimate mechnisms of election and appointment to achieve their ends. But my point is that Christians can too. Sorry

I'd still like to know of any Christans who have been forced to have abortions. This is the second time I've asked you. Are you going to keep ignoring this question? You also claimed that Christians have had gay marriages forced on them. Please point to one instance where a Christian was forced against his/her will into a gay marriage.

Well, I guess you wrote your last entry before my adjustment. Although stated incorrectly, my point was that even though the legalization of abortion was legitimately achieved, the perception, from a Christian point of view, is that we are "forced," by circumstances, to live in a society where something which is utterly abhorrent to us is done all around us, every day. I suspect that liberals feel the same about the present presidential administration. So, even though, technically, abortion is legal; it is biblically illegal - and the same with gay marriage.

Our objective is to reverse these legal precedents and institute biblical ones. Again, that’s the way our democracy works, is it not? - which is not FORCING our morality down liberals' throats, any more than liberals have by legalizing their preferences. Just as liberals want to legalize everything that conforms to their values and beliefs, so do Christians. And again, there are isolated extremist groups on the left AND right that have a more aggressive, even violent approach; but most all consistently biblical exponents of change are committed to working within the best system devised by man for working out the contending parties of human community.

"we are "forced," by circumstances, to live in a society where something which is utterly abhorrent to us is done all around us, every day."

Welcome to the real world, bucko. I abhor capital punishment, but you don't hear me saying "it's been forced on ME." I abhor the obscene waste of tax money on useless military buildup in a world where there is no need for it. There are a lot of things I don't care for, but I try to at least be careful about how I express that disagreement.

"...which is not FORCING our morality down liberals' throats, any more than liberals have by legalizing their preferences."

Sounds about right. I'm happy to hear that you see my earlier point. I'll disagree with your efforts, but it's good to at least ave that common ground defined now. Perhaps we can have more productive debates on matters of this sort in the future.

“bucko?” Anyway, in a sense, dude, everything we disagree with in our law/policy system, either vehemently or otherwise, IS "forced" on us; be it military build-up or abortion. That simply comes with the territory, whether one lives in a democracy or a dictatorship. After any particular law or policy becomes “the law of the land” we simply have to live with it (forced) until we can garner enough elective clout to overturn it. I’m glad we can at least agree on this fact of political life in America.

The real issue is which principles, which worldview, will rise to the ascendancy in the electoral process over time and form the nature and direction of our society. For about a century and a half that dominant law-source was generally the Bible, and the Christian Faith. Over a period of fifty years or so that has objectively shifted in the direction of anti-Christian humanism, perhaps beginning with the spiritual and cultural upheaval of the sixties. The old order had become effete and self-satisfied, with little real spiritual vitality or commitment. A well-challenged and purified Christianity was needed.

And so, the war raging within the US (and the world) is ultimately spiritual in nature; not cultural or political. It is a battle to return this nation to its original law source and spiritual center, and work from there (a revitalized Christianity) to see a moral and benevolent order established that reflects the nature of the Kingdom of God under the headship of Jesus the Messiah. If one loves and acknowledges the God of the Scriptures, he is on one side, and vice versa.

This sorting out is, I believe, part of God’s design to bring these two essential worldviews to a point of epistemological self-consciousness, so that the issues will be clearly drawn and the positions clearly discerned. This fundamental dynamic underlies all the debate and conflict of our time. Blogs such as this one are epidemic across the land as the great debate continues. It is my hope that we can have more productive debates as well, Eric. That will come as we discuss specific issues with honesty and fairness. Make it so.

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