A big deal over nothing?
But they're not being required to worship -- right?
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Would the same claim get as much or the same kind of attention if the polling place in question were a synagogue? Is there anything stopping these folks from voting absentee? And what does this say about the two-way street of religious tolerance?
From a more practical standpoint, what does it say about the governments ability to efficiently administer elections?
I think election folks there may have opened a can or worms they can’t put the lid back on.
Posted on October 3, 2006 11:35 AM
You got it right. A big deal over nothing.
Posted on October 3, 2006 12:08 PM
Agreed – a lot of to-do about nothing. BUT - it does show, as Binker says, something about “the two-way street of religious tolerance.” Namely, that there are many others out there who are just as exclusive, more so, than the libs say biblical Christians are. In the end, EVERYone is exclusive: libs with libs, conservatives with conservative, Jews with Jews, Amish with Amish, ad infinitum. If there is no transcendent Truth, no one true and living God, then we are consigned to this morass of competing ideologies, with no end in sight; just an endless guessing, experimenting, trial and error, ad nauseam. Another time and place.
But a polling place. You see, Orthodox Jews are not supposed to enter a Goy house for fear of being contaminated – a church is infinitely worse. Othodox Jews are really far more exclusive and prejudiced (by PC standards) than the vast majority of Christians.
After all, it was Yeshua who said to his Jewish associates: “Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations (goyim) . . . teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you . . .” And after Paul clearly enunciated the INCLUSION of all nations and races in the bounds of the New Covenant, the principle of an all-embracing Gospel was set in stone (though not always understood or acted out).
In todays’ anti-Christian climate, preceding the mid-term election, there would have been hell to pay in the PC lib media if the offending group had been Christians (but now I guess they’ll just try to ride the folly wave to victory) And you can bet your bottom dollar that Muslims would also be hard pressed to enter an infidel polling place - synagogue OR church.
And I have no doubt that there are some Christians who would have second thoughts about entering a Mosque to vote. Preferences there will ALWAYS be, and deeply held convictions from the farthest point left to the farthest point right. In America we’re supposed to be civil about it, and vote wherever and however we can, thanking Almighty God we still can.
Posted on October 3, 2006 8:07 PM
So, no one here thinks just maybe having a polling place at a church is a wee uncomfortably close to the old wall of separation being erased? No residual, subconscious effects working on you as you step in the booth...hey, maybe I should vote against that pro-choice candiadte after all, since my childhood memories of the stern god almighty makes me feel guilty all over again despite reasonable arguments I have pondered otherwise? And what about voting for that nifty gay candidate? No go in here, bud, says the little-kid-indoctrinated voice.
And that's just for the moderate and liberal Christian sorts. Or ex-Christians. The non-Christians have no doubt a very weird message thrown at them: get with the program, bub!
This plain stinks. No church should be a polling place. What's the matter, no school or other public facility nearby?
Posted on October 3, 2006 10:42 PM
fn,
i agree, let's leave the houses of worship as that and not as places of politics thru the voting system.
Posted on October 4, 2006 11:06 AM
I agree. Voting in churches should be done only where it isn't a serious problem for the electorate involved. On the other hand, churches in America have always been as much a part of the community as schools or businesses. Black churches even today are popular staging platforms for politicians; especially the blue variety.
When used as voting venues they are simply serving the community, NOT proselytizing. As homeschoolers we always felt a bit uncomfortable going into the statist education mills to vote. However, voting in an atheistic humanist temple didn't have the slightest influence on my voting preference. I went to vote - period!! Though I can think of places I wouldn't set foot in.
Posted on October 7, 2006 8:05 AM
Are the places you wouldn't set foot in ever likely to have polling booths? Once a precedent is set for voting in churches (by the way, I assume tis is never within the actual sanctuaries), why wouldn't we someday vote in mosques, or synagogues? Should we go the way of Wal-Mart, and assign voting places for each niche market? Candidates increasingly seem packaged this way.
Posted on October 9, 2006 10:18 AM
At least we all seem to agree on this issue.
Posted on October 9, 2006 10:19 AM