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Perhaps Edwards is just using his wife as a surrogate; courting the gay vote through her, and trying to hold onto any traditionalist or religious voters by not "coming out" with his true position - just a guess, but a reasonable one. Or, maybe they don’t communicate that well.

The fact that she would kick off a gay pride parade shows just how far from any real Christian commitments Edwards and the entire DNC folks have – despite their deceptive comments regarding their views in one of the recently televised debates. And you can bet your sweet bippie it wasn’t a spur of the moment, unapproved decision on her part.

Anyone who has seen any degree of footage of what transpires during this and other gay parades, and feels positive about what he sees, has lost all sense of moral discrimination and sensitivity. Her action gives us a startling foretaste of just where the Dems would lead us as a culture.

And it has nothing to do with what anyone thinks about what people do behind closed doors. While it is true that we cannot, and should not, determine what anyone does in the privacy of their home, the issue itself is a crucial moral fork in the American road. Either we will choose the road to moral chaos and degeneration, or we will return to the God of our Fathers, and the moral excellence His Word and Law provide. Elizabeth seems to have made her choice. God’s words to Israel are just as powerful and relevant for modern America:

“I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the LORD your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days . . .”
(Deut. 30. 19-20a)

If we continue down the road of sin and debauchery we will surely shorten our days as a great nation – any sin: white collar, racial, sexual, or otherwise. For the end result of all sin is death – psychological, spiritual and physical. “Choose Life!”

John Edwards "just lose the potential nomination"? I think he lost it 4 years ago, IMO. What statements he makes on any issue has long been immaterial to me. I don't consider him trustworthy. Of course, after the past 30 years of political skullduggery in Washington, I have trouble even HOPING to find a candidate that could come close.

Now as to the issue of gay marriage, this is a moral issue that I think will eventually be accepted by most Americans. Sure, it might make a lot of people upset and fearful because of religious prejudices, but there's no reason to fear people who want to get legally married. If they want the legal hassles of the institution, I say let them.

The part I find hard to believe is Edwards saying he never knew how his wife felt about this issue until he heard about it on TV. If you're running for the presidency, it would seem to me you and your wife would discuss matters of importance such as this beforehand.

Eric, who "fears" it. It's just immoral. Simple as that - even if the entire earth should "accept" it. Human opinion is irrelevant. the Creator's holy Law is all that matters. Both the human form and God's Word nullify perversion. It brings God's judgment upon both the individuals who practice it and the nations that promote it. Always has, always will.
Romans 1.

"Eric, who "fears" it? "

You do. So does every person who tries to have a say in what people do with their sex organs in private. Oh, I know that you tell yourself that you have a personal line to this daddy in the sky that will protect you from the evil outsiders who don't have sex the same way you do, but that's not the same as minding your own friggin' business, you see.

Society determines what is moral or not, Nikos. Sure, they find ways to tell their kids that their gods make those decisions, but only after the real decision has been made. If you truly understood how religion works, you would understand that.

Eric: " ‘Eric, who "fears it?’ You do.”
Actually Eric, I think it’s the atheists and humanists that are frightened. They know in their fundus that there is a God and that there is moral truth. But instead of acknowledging it they “suppress the truth in unrighteousness.” But when one comes into a transforming relationship with God in Christ through faith he is delivered from this gnawing existential anxiety: “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.” (Rom. 8.15)
“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” (II Tim. 1.7)

Eric: “ . . . you tell yourself that you have a personal line to this daddy in the sky that will protect you from the evil outsiders who don't have sex the same way you do . . .”

This is not it at all! I admit there may be some Christians who “fear” the consequences of approving and fostering perversion, but mature and informed believers are not AFRAID of perversion, per se; but simply concerned about their culture and society, knowing that God’s judgments will be carried out – not just because of homosexual acts, but because of the general culture of unbelief and sin from which such licentiousness springs. The term, “homoPHOBIA” is therefore a gross misnomer; an attempt to taint opponents with the label of “fear mongers,” rather than “concerned citizens.”

What people do in the privacy of their homes is certainly beyond the control of anyone, short of Orwellian surveillance. What concerns me, and other Christians, is that gays are not content with private debauchery, but fully intent on generating acceptance of their “lifestyle” in the public arena, by attempting “re-write” God’s moral Law and imposing their rationalizations (and acts) on the young and impressionable. And any attempt to block their designs is met with abject repression through their “hate” crimes and gay “marriage” legislation and propaganda.

“So does every person who tries to have a say in what people do with their sex organs in private.”

You cannot isolate moral truth to glands and organs. The preoccupation with genital pleasure alone is called lust in the Scriptures. True and TOTAL sexual satisfaction is only achieved through the god-created body-dynamics of the husband-wife relationship; which is a holistic love of person. Just because two same-sex persons may have a friendship, does not make adding the sexual aspect to it right. Quite the contrary, they are deluding themselves and further alienating themselves from the life of God.

“Society determines what is moral or not, Nikos.”

Just as I have pointed out: humanism is a religion with man as god. Thanks for confirming that, Eric. So Communist “society” was right in determining the gulags and mass murders; or American society, north and south, was morally right in implementing slavery? Anyone, with the discernment of an amoeba, can see that the relativistic and shifting “morality” of “society” only leads to an iffy moral good, AT BEST. Only the absolute moral truths of God’s Law/Word can provide the firm foundations of true justice and blessedness of life.

Sin/lust always tries to find a way to overcome or circumvent God’s moral truth – and always in the form of sin-advocacy groups/movements. When a society reaches the tipping point of moral degeneration, you can expect the proliferation of attempts to institutionalize sin, whether if be adultery, abortion, drug use, or sexual perversion. But all sin contains the inherently imbedded seeds of its own destruction, because it is in direct contradiction to God’s created pattern. It is BY NATURE destructive and deadly. But the nature of spiritual darkness is also to be unable to see this because of the addictive and compulsive nature of lust. When the process of moral degeneration gets to the societal level, the result is a downward spiral into moral chaos for that culture. So it now is.

“ . . . but only after the real decision has been made.”

The “decision” has certainly already been made – in the mists of eternity, in the very essence of God’s holiness and life – immutable and absolute.

“ . . . surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.” (Isaiah 40. 6-8) AMEN.

"Eric: “ . . . you tell yourself that you have a personal line to this daddy in the sky that will protect you from the evil outsiders who don't have sex the same way you do . . .”

This is not it at all! "

I rather think it is what motivates you to speak out when the subject is gay marriage. I will go out on a limb and guess that you have no interest at all in discussing what my wife and I do in privacy, for instance.

Why? Because you don't feel threatened, and you probably wouldn't feel threatened by our sex life even if I were to tell you that we had experimented (in our youth) with some activities that good Christian men in this state long ago decided were "immoral," even for married couples to do, and made laws to that effect.

But you react to the subject of gay marriage as if there was a danger to you. And when I expose this fear for what it is, you become increasingly defensive and belligerent, quoting from a book that YOU find comforting but that you KNOW I have no similar use for. When you're pushed far enough, you start posting stuff in Latin... at treat for all concerned.

I used to fear gay people myself, until I found a few out-of-closet types and discovered that they aren't the ravening sexual predators my fears made them out to be. In that regard at least, I've grown up. I enthusiastically recommend that those who fear gays as I used to seriously consider it for themselves... growing up, that is.

Regardless of your attempts to characterize me as a mean old fear monger, this is simply NOT the case. I am concerned, not “afraid;” and have a redemptive love for all people, as God had for me as a lost, bound and blind sinner. Homosexuality is just one of the many forms that sin takes in fallen humanity.

As I have said so many times before, sexual perversion is just that; a perversion and distortion of the God-created provision for TRUE sexual happiness and satisfaction – and cultural blessing. No matter how hard you, or the humanist establishment, try to primp it up to look good and normal, it is not, and never will be.

Do you think we should normalize, legally and culturally, prostitution? or necrophilia, man-boy love, bestiality? Do you? What people do in private is, after all, nobody’s business – right? We have been “softened up” today to accept some, if not all of these acts. But most of the advocates of these practices are not rich, well-heeled and part of the Hollywood propaganda machine. If there are no absolute moral boundaries, we are left with the very real possibility that nothing is beyond moral acceptability. You may not buy into this, but many surely will. Imagining where this approach can end up should give pause to even the most flaming libertine – unless his conscience has been “seared as with a hot iron.”

The current surge to make gay sex acceptable and morally good is doomed to ultimate failure. It is simply a part of the general spiritual and moral decline of Western civilization. It may take a while to see the full effect of its degenerative influences; but, as with all sin, its final end is death – spiritually and physically. Moral depravity has the seeds of its own demise built into it, which is simply part of the judgment of God - and “God is not mocked.”

Eric, I agree that Edwards lost this race a long time ago.

But I must question this, "society determines morality".

Does this mean that when society determines, as in several states, that marriage is defined as a man + woman, they have decided that gay marriage is immoral? Would you live with that result? How about if NC determines to re-institute slavery, would you abide by that?

I think too highly of you to think you would sit idly by and let slavery transpire all over again. So why? Why would you actively go against something society has determined? Why do you push for gay marriage when society as of now does not support it?

Could it be that you have a moral center? That despite your reliance on society, when push comes to shove, you follow what you believe to be correct? This creates a moral absolute presumption on your part does it not? After all, you will only obey the laws of society so far as you find them to be tolerable. Everyone will only obey a law until it crosses the line in their moral framework, then they seek to change that law and cannot abide it further.

If then, it can be said you have a moral center, certain things you cannot tolerate, we must ask, "from whence does this moral center come"? If you point to yourself as the author of this inward law you abide by, then the obvious question is why? Why do believe as you do? In other words, what is the source of your epistemology? Eric, I do not think you to be aware of you truly believe.

In any case, if you say that your moral center derives not from yourself but from Plato, then you have presented new problems. Why should I follow your beliefs in Plato - another human? In fact, why should I abide by any of your presuppositions since they derive from either yourself or your choice of external human influences?

Thus a human derived ethos is fundamentally flawed in regulating any large group of individuals. Unless we agree that Eric is the final arbiter in knowledge, then all law will be hotly contested and society will eventually descend into a moral morass. (in exempla, modern day societies)

Only an externally derived, non-human, moral center can be authoritative, logical and cohesive. In any event, I find it hard to accept that you truly believe that society determines morality.

Some things to think about in this regard:

1. God's Law/Word is DESIGNED to bring maximum human happiness and fulfillment.

2. When people commit murder, steal or want other people's stuff it always brings about some degree of misery.

3. human soceities that deny God and His Law, and make up thier own morals and ethics,(Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Hitler, wanton humanistic America, et al. seem to spawn crime, mass killings, oppression and misery.

4. God's Law is absolute and universal, and thus provides unity, consistency and transcendence to human life and community.

5. Humanists are practical theists by necessitiy; for if they don't keep the Law, they know they'll pay the penalty, one way or another. If you kill someone, either the law will get you or the guy's brother will.

6. This universal Law is best explained by attributing it to the universal Creator and Law-Giver.

7. The Scriptures teach that the ultimate purpose of the Law is to circumscribe divine love; that without truth there can be no genuine love and happiness. And everybody loves love in whatever form they can get it. Lawlessness (sin) undermines and detroys love. Therefore keeping the spirit AND letter of the Law is directly connected to the very essence of all that is loving, noble and human. Psalm 119!