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I wonder. As a surgeon general, would we want someone who actually wrote that DEATH can occur as a result of gay sex?

As the "nation's chief medical educator", the Surgeon General needs to be completely neutral and unbiased on matters such as this. He needs to leave his personal views at home where they belong.

I don't think I would mind a surgeon general who states his values as personal opinions. But when a medical professional starts passing out misinformation like the stuff listed in the article, that's a show-stopper, IMO. "Education" is a vital process that can't be consistent with lies.

Do personal opinions even matter with the current administration? The previous SG has stated that his "voice" was stifled!

Shalom

The fact is that acts against nature can be very lethal - as with AIDS and many other non-STD infections that occur as a result of such practices - which NEVER meant to be done. So the paper he wrote ws probably right on. Common sense anatomy speaks volumes in this regard, not to mention medical science. But the gay lobby is committed to deceiving the American public and setting up a Gestapo-like system of reprisals and intimidation - as in this instance.

As if the physical issues weren't enough, spiritual and moral truth cries out against it. The cascade of "acceptance" in the gay-saturated media is a sure sign of our nation's downward spiral into moral and spirtual oblivion.

More confusion between religious belief and scientific fact by Nikos.
Hey Nikos, did you know that the nominee has disavowed his former position?

http://www.topix.net/content/kri/2007/07/senate-hearing-for-surgeon-general-holsinger-disavows-91-paper-on-gay-sex

Looks like you're the only one still beating that dead horse.

"The fact is that acts against nature can be very lethal - as with AIDS and many other non-STD infections that occur as a result of such practices - which NEVER meant to be done."

I see... so in Nikos' fun little world, STD's are only a concern for gay men, and AIDS can't be transmitted by engaging in the "missionary position," is that right? And I want to know how Nikos knows what is "against nature," especiall considering that 1) many species of animals are known to have homosexual populations, and 2) in the view of many Christians, humans are meant to be completely UNnatural... so why carry on about something that is "aginst naure"? I'd think that would be a good thing.

Eric, did you know that in Nikobiology Class I learned that a heterosexual who injects drugs and shares dirty needles with others and who was a virgin when married and only has penile-vaginal sex strictly in the missionary position and only for procreative purposes SOLELY with his/her covenentially-married,bible-professing, equally-yoked partner CAN'T pass along any communicable diseases?

Now THAT'S hot!

"did you know that the nominee has disavowed his former position?"

Yes, I read that. Big deal! People will do anything for political expediency - especially if the pink Gestapo is breathing down their neck. His “disavowal” was just political doublespeak IMO. His paper contained much information that is standard knowledge. I have read the material regarding the dangers of gay sex in several other sources. Stats and details do vary, but not much.

"Looks like you're the only one still beating that dead horse."

Hardly, God hasn’t stopped, and never will. It is contrary to His divine design and a moral transgression. Those who deny the unnaturalness of the act are simply in moral and spiritual denial.

"As the leading spokesperson for matters of public health, the surgeon general should be guided by medical science, not religion-based bigotry," said Soulforce Executive Director Jeff Lutes.

Seems to me that the disease and infection data ARE medical science. Anyone who begs to differ in opinion on this “sacred cow” subject today are quickly trashed and cowed by the Gay machine. So much for free speech and liberty.

“and AIDS can't be transmitted by engaging in the "missionary position," is that right?”

How ridiculous, Eric. You are grossly obscuring the debate. I simply stand on the truth that same-sex acts are both unnatural and dangerous – physically and spiritually. I am fully aware of the dangers of hetero sex sins as well. But the act itself is at least natural. There is a vast difference between that which is anatomically and spiritually natural and healthy and that which is not.

"How ridiculous, Eric. You are grossly obscuring the debate."
You were the one who brought up AIDS transmission through gay sex acts. Now why bring this up if you already knew that AIDS isn't a gay-only problem? It seems to me that you are the one guilty of adding obscuring statements to the thread -- I was merely pointing out why they are ridiculous.

I won't argue against you about spiritual harm or sinfulness because those terms have no meaning to me. But when you start talking about medical issues, and when America's surgeon general starts talking (as he's paid to do) about medical issues, then the playing field is defined by science. And science gives us evidence that there is nothing inherently more dangerous when only comparing one mode of sexual expression over another.

It isn’t rocket science folks. Organs have functions. Abusing organs has consequences, whether it be homo or hetero immorality. It is crystal clear that God designed that only man and woman have fulfilling and joyful sexual union, and that His divine blessing would rest upon it as the means of perpetuating the race, experiencing conugal bliss, and of establishing social blessing. Sin in any form detracts from, and EVENTUALLY (altho it may not be obvious in the short haul) destroys social cohesion and thus God’s blessings. (Deuteronomy 28 & 30)

If we as a nation, officially in our courts and through our laws, continue to foster baby killing, perversion, race hatred, statist domination, and atheism, we will reap all the curses and plagues delineated in the passages just mentioned – or their modern equivalents.

These are iron-clad, inevitable laws written into the very fabric of the moral and physical universe. Even now, our culture is evidencing many of them and there are more to come.

Sin activates its own repurcussions or judgments. This is God acting correctively through the universe He created. He also acts sovereignly apart from the laws of the universe when and where He pleases. In any event, “be not deceived, God is not mocked.” IOWs, you can count on the laws of the spiritual universe just as surely as you can the physical.

Even if the folowing stats are not perfectly correct, they at least reveal clear contrasts and trends.

70% of homosexuals admit to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners.

The average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year. The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.

Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States.

25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics.

Homosexuals account for well over 59% of the aids cases in the United States. (This may change or fluctuate)

Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne.

Depending upon the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries.

The median age of death of homosexual men is 42 (only 24% live past the age of 65).The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75.

The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past the age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79.

21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females, aged 25-44, who die of these things.

About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians.

The complete report along with and supporting documentation can be found at: http://www.inoohr.org/homosexualstatistics.htm

God’s saving grace is extended to all – gay and straight sinners. He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son in order that all who are bound in the thralldom of sin and death could be released into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

It isn’t rocket science folks. Organs have functions. Abusing organs has consequences, whether it be homo or hetero immorality. It is crystal clear that God designed that only man and woman have fulfilling and joyful sexual union, and that His divine blessing would rest upon it as the means of perpetuating the race, experiencing conugal bliss, and of establishing social blessing. Sin in any form detracts from, and EVENTUALLY (altho it may not be obvious in the short haul) destroys social cohesion and thus God’s blessings. (Deuteronomy 28 & 30)

If we as a nation, officially in our courts and through our laws, continue to foster baby killing, perversion, race hatred, statist domination, and atheism, we will reap all the curses and plagues delineated in the passages just mentioned – or their modern equivalents.

These are iron-clad, inevitable laws written into the very fabric of the moral and physical universe. Even now, our culture is evidencing many of them and there are more to come.

Sin activates its own repurcussions or judgments. This is God acting correctively through the universe He created. He also acts sovereignly apart from the laws of the universe when and where He pleases. In any event, “be not deceived, God is not mocked.” IOWs, you can count on the laws of the spiritual universe just as surely as you can the physical.

Even if the folowing stats are not perfectly correct, they at least reveal clear contrasts and trends.

70% of homosexuals admit to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners.

The average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year. The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.

Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States.

25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics.

Homosexuals account for well over 59% of the aids cases in the United States. (This may change or fluctuate)

Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne.

Depending upon the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries.

The median age of death of homosexual men is 42 (only 24% live past the age of 65).The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75.

The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past the age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79.

21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females, aged 25-44, who die of these things.

About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians.

The complete report along with and supporting documentation can be found at: http://www.inoohr.org/homosexualstatistics.htm

God’s saving grace is extended to all – gay and straight sinners. He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son in order that all who are bound in the thralldom of sin and death could be released into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

In addition to Nikos points, even if scientists discover a "gay gene", that doesn't make the behavior morally acceptable. Would finding an "adultery gene" making adultery morally acceptable? Would finding a "beastiality gene" make that behavior morally acceptable? Would finding a "murder gene" make murder morally acceptable?

Restraint from certain behaviors that might be natural is part of what separates human beings from animals. Animals always do what comes naturally. Natural behaviors and morally acceptable behaviors should not necessarily be linked. You have to argue a behavior on its own merit to conclude that it is morally acceptable.

You can't assume that an "is" should be an "ought".

Nikos, you better get busy. Somebody else- another good Christian who follows God's dictates-is doing your job for you.
Maybe you and ECUman can work as a team, you know, if that doesn't seem too gay ?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4968717.
html

Alice:

I do happen to be a Christian and I also happen to care very deeply about clear thinking. Why does it matter in this discussion if I'm a Christian or not? I didn't quote any Bible verses. I don't normally quote verses to people who question the authority of the Bible in the first place. Why didn't you deal with my points instead of dismissing them because you thought they were from a Christian?

Gee, ECUman, I guess it's because your post was filled with misinformation, superstition and wishful thinking.
Take a microbiology course- preferably with a lab, along with a genetics class and get back to us, whydon'tcha?
And No, classes taught at Bob Jones " University" don't count.

Alice:

It might be helpful if you read my post. I did do not make any biological claims or state biological facts. In fact, for the sake of argument, I was granting that EVEN IF there was a "gay gene" that does not necessarily mean that the behavior itself is morally acceptable.

Call me names all you want. But if that's all you're capable of doing, I have better things to do with my time that engage in name calling with you. If you want to engage in logical and civic discourse, then I'm open to further discussion.

ECUman, your statements and confusion of your moral code with biology and genetics were what I took exception to.

Sheesh- the martyr thing is SO unattractive- yet so predictable.

ECUman, facts are not important here, only the wanton flying the face of God and His moral Law. It is rebellion, pure and simple: a descent into the cesspool of spiritual darkness.

Even the bum in the gutter knows that sodomy is gross and destestable, including all the dolled-up versions of it that are paraded across the media these days. Libs and Humanists are blindly committed to pushing anything that opposes God and His Word, from Wiccan paganism to anything-goes porn, to Muslim demands - regardless of the future implications of it all. And that is supposed to pass for reason and logic! God help us!

Alice:

I could tell that you took exception to my points. However, you did so only by name calling and ridicule (also predictable). Ridicule is not an argument. Please give me SPECIFIC reasons as to WHY my statements are confused. Thanks and have a good day.

Alice:

I could tell that you took exception to my points. However, you did so only by name calling and ridicule (also predictable). Ridicule is not an argument. Please give me SPECIFIC reasons as to WHY my statements are confused. Thanks and have a good day.

So if " sodomy" is so gross and detestible, Nikos, why aren't you out there screaming and waving signs with Reverend Phelps and his church members- or better yet, joining up with other good Christians like the guy in Houston who heeds his God's word?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4968717.html

Or better yet, joing in with Rep. Bob Allen, Republican from Florida, who's doing his all to enact statutes prohibiting
such " lewd and lascivious sex"? $20 gets you a Bob Allen Supporter Pin.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-allen1307jul13,0,5667267.story

Nikos, you're so fixated on gay sex- many here think thou doth protest too much...

ECUman is right on, Alice. All you want to do is indulge in ad hominem attack. You have yet to offer any thing close to reasonalbe arguments for your case - whatever it is. I am not fixated on "gay sex" any more than the blogmaster who keeps on choosing these gay topics, Eric, RebelSnake and others who write on this site. We are simply DEBATING.

What you are actaully saying is that I offer clearly biblical truth regarding it, and it raises your hackles. How about offering some cogent, hackles-free arguments as to why sodomy is natural and wonderful and healthy. I have actually read some attmepts to do this in other places, but there has been nothing anywhere near enthusiastic or convincing on this blog site - which is totally understandable. Anyone who knows the facts, knows there are none!

Nikos, my pointig out that you're fixated on gay sex and any kid of heteropsex in which you personally don't engage in is NOT ad hominem.
You really do seem to worry about how other people have sexual relations - especially those who do things other than what you and your partner perform in your upon each other's bodies.

Do these thoughts keep you up at night?
Do they make you twitch in your seat when you're all alone?
Do you want to go bash in the head of someone who doesn't have sex according to your dictates?
Maybe in your fantasy Christianized State of America the law you hope for will let you stone people for the 'depraved' sex they've engaged in.

"You really do seem to worry about how other people have sexual relations"

Not at all. And it does not keep me up at night. I am more worried for our nation as we go down the moral toilet - not just regarding perversion -but in just about every way. It greatly concerns me that people have been hoodwinked into thinking that gross and abnormal sexual practices are just fine. I shudder to think where we will be fifty years from now if the tide is not turned, what kind of America my children and grandchildren will inherit. A people, a naiton that sinks inth the cesspool of godless immorality are pictured by Paul most poignantly in Romans 1:

21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23: And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24: Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28: And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29: Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30: Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31: Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
21: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23: And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24: Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28: And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29: Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30: Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31: Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.