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Collision of faith

"Doctors are becoming more assertive in refusing to treat patients for religious reasons, expanding the list of services they won't provide beyond abortion to include artificial insemination, use of fetal tissues and even prescribing Viagra."

Join this to the discussion of pharmacists, and should we -- the public -- be worried?

What about the case of the lesbian woman and the doctors who refuse to perform artificial insemination -- for some, that's akin to endorsing that lifestyle.

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eric said:

I wonder if these doctors would also refuse to treat a patient for liver disease, for fear of being seen as "endorsing" drunkenness? I suppose they would also turn away AIDS patients, because people would think they "endorse" gays and/or drug users.

Once someone starts down that path, who knows how far it would go? Some religious groups condemn smoking... imagine a doctor refusing to treat lung cancer.

My sister encountered a vet a little while back who refused to spay a pregnant cat because of religious beliefs. It's getting weird out there... So far it's still possible to shop around and find doctors who aren't so bloody judgemental.

Nikos said:

Hey, it's a free country, RIGHT? Oh - just for those who want to fornicate at the drop of a hat and take the pill the morning after. It's a free couotnry as long as you're PC.

Alice said:

Nikos:

The US is NOT a theocracy, despite your fervent wishes it become one( -so long as it's run by YOUR chosen flavor of religion.)

You've chnged religions before. Some sort of Christian to Hare Krisna to whichever Christian sect you now claim.
You should do it again.
Become one of those hard-line fundy Muslims and move to Afghanistan. The Taliban's back, bigger than ever, and could probably use some good rock-throwers. You could STONE journalists who dared to even write of the " morning-after pill" .
AND, you could do more than just support the " shouting -down" of any religion which deviated from your mainstream. ...

buz said:

the gay person says this....... "He told me he had prescribed certain drugs for married people, but he wasn't going to do that for me," Jonathan Shuffield says. "It was very painful having the trust broken between my doctor and me."............
i'd be willing to bet his pain is now gone since he got cash from his settlement !
matters of conscience....hmmmmmm.....i wonder why some take such great offense at someone who has enough backbone to stand up for their own personal convictions. so the gay man didnt't get his blue pill - he could easily have gone to most any other doctor and been prescribed. i can usually admire the fortitude of anyone who follows their convictions(even if misguided).
how about the women whos had 22 cosmetic procedures and her face looks like an ants butt strecthed over a rain barrel, lips inflated like inner tubes and a razor sharp nose - her plastic surgeon refuses to do any more surgery - he believes she's had enough. he exercise his choice based on conscience, but in all likelihood he's gonna get sued (and probably loose).the choice to choose is great, up until the point where someone else chooses not to do want you want them to do....then do the great american pass time - complain about YOUR rights and sue someone.

Darryl [TypeKey Profile Page] said:

As long as someone is paying for your services, then the payer has the right to ask for services rendered. As long as the payee is qualified to render said service.

buz, why should one go to another doctor for just one prescription? If one loses faith in one's physician due to that physician's lack of care for one's patient in a holistic manner, then I say drop that physician. Let that physician know the exact reason. Then file a complaint with the State office of medical licensure detailing the reasons for making contact. Also let the physician know that you will be letting others know that he/she is discriminatory in treating patients.

eric, I like the points in your post.

Alice, nothing has ever changed regarding the one to which your comments are directed.

Shalom

Nikos said:

This subject line proves my point that only one worldview can be regnant in any culture for any length of time – and when in power will seek to repress their opposite, or rival system. The powers that enshrined abortion, gay marriage (limited at present) and free sex into the accepted practices and/or laws of our nation are more and more repressing and punishing those who oppose their moral worldview (and they are all moral/amoral in nature).

These pharmacists are simply a good case in point. Buz’s point is also indicative: “i wonder why some take such great offense at someone who has enough backbone to stand up for their own personal convictions.” The humanist worldview system can’t allow any more exceptions than can be prevented.

Worldviews are not just isolated moral positions, but gestalts that seek to integrate all case laws and standards across a culture in accordance with their overviews. Hate speech laws, anti-protester abortion clinic regulations, fairness doctrine, anti-prayer rulings and a multitude of other measures, now either in place or in-process, are all designed to either eliminate or repress the Christian/biblical worldview whose gestalt overview is God and His Law – which is the polar opposite of the atheist/Marxist/humanist worldview, in which man and his relativistic, PC laws hold sway.

The consistent conflict we are seeing on this blog, and in our nation generally, really is a culture war – or better spiritual war – and only one side can win . . . because “only one worldview can be regnant in any culture for any length of time” – and when in power, any one system will seek to repress its culturally determined opposite.” Such is the very nature of cosmic worldviews, vis-à-vis they always and everywhere seek to organize reality according to their gestalt. Islam is another tragic case in point. Communism was/is another.

This whole cosmic conflict will continue until Messiah rules in equity, peace and honor across the face of the earth, and God’s Law/Word orders all things (minus those laws that specifically related to ancient Israel and her now-obsolete and superceded sacrificial cultus). History HAS – and will – bear this out.


buz said:

"As long as someone is paying for your services, then the payer has the right to ask for services rendered. As long as the payee is qualified to render said service."
darryl you statement is way too broad in my estimation. an ophthalmologist is qualified to remove a diseased eye - but per your comment, if i as the payee request this ophthalmologist to remove one of my healthy eyes (because of some cult ritual), he ought to do this because you are willing to pay and he is qualified to remove it. there are some cultures that remove a womans clitoris so that she can't feel sexual pleasure , therefore she won't have sexual urges - should a qualified gyn doctor perform this if he is paid and he is qualified? this list goes on.

"buz, why should one go to another doctor for just one prescription?"..... you answered your own question in the very next sentence.

i agree with your point about dropping the doc and letting him know why. not sure i agree with making a formal complaint....man just move on - the only thing this doc did was follow the dictates of his conscience and no real harm was done other that this guy getting a delayed boner !


Darryl [TypeKey Profile Page] said:

no buz, a doctor who refuses to treat a medical condition such as ED is worthless! Wonder if that same doctor would prescribe and ED med for himself were he to have a medical condition that caused him ED? Or would he just consider it "God's will" and live life as a sexually unfulfilled person? If that is the case, I pity that man's theology. How poor, worse yet, those who lead this person to believe such a weak theology.

Regarding dropping a physician, I noted in a holistic manner, not as you had noted, "...he could easily have gone to most any other doctor and been prescribed." It seems that the inference is made to have another doctor prescribe the ED medication and continue with the normal physician.

So no, I did not answer my question. At worst, I failed to fully elaborate and qualify my comment; which I have done here.

Shalom

Nikos said:

The claim of Humanist's in this country that all religious/secular viewpoints should be allowd to express themselves is a sham. It's merely window dressing to prop up their public personna as big-hearted, all-inclusive moral overseers. But just let one of these religions/philosophies enganger their hegemony in one of their key areas of influence and come down hard, doing whatever it takes to squelch the uprising. As long as Christians, or whoever, are nice little cultural fixtures, they serve their purpose in enhancing the Humanist public image; but let them start advancing thier worldview by speaking out, organizing and seeking to win elections and they go balistic, nationwide, to suppress it. There can be only one regnant wordview - regardless of all the smoke and mirrors to the contrary.

buz said:

" It seems that the inference is made to have another doctor prescribe the ED medication and continue with the normal physician."....................

perhaps you didn't read my entire post....i repeat
"i agree with your point about dropping the doc" - maybe i should have spelled it out for you that "dropping the doc" meant to quit,cease and desist from attending him. i assumed most people would have garnered the correct inference.....oops.

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