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Nancy, I agree with you. Only the person and God (according to my Christian belief) will ever know if those "former Nazi personnel" were willing or unwilling participants.

The amazing thing is that the time and effort expended to export this 91-year old man who has been a citizen for over 50 years! Compare that to the non-effort to work on the much larger illegal immigrant problem in the US. While I have compassion for those less fortunate people in the world; coming to the US does not help them. It only makes it more difficult for EVERYONE. Yet, the US is seen as that great "pie in the sky in the sweet by & by" place.

I wish I honestly knew what to do on that issue. I do not.

As for this 91-year old man, I am not so sure that deporting him is proper either. Legally, well, that is another matter. Ethically, I would have to say no.

Shalom

this one seems to be a tough call - it seem there is some evidence of his participation - justice is only served when it is dispensed equally to all.

i'm not sure i understand "for those less fortunate people in the world; coming to the US does not help them.".....try convincing 11 million illegals that living and working here has not helped THEM !

If he is guilty of independent criminal activity, with appropriate evidence, then he should stand trial. If he was a mere funtionary in an envelopin gnad intimidating social matrix, then he is not unlike millions of other common soldiers, and should be left alone, for God to judge - which appears to be sonner than later.

Nikos, are you sitting down?

Good.

I totally and completely agree with you.

I agree as well, but I didn't want to shock him too badly. :>

Thank you for your commnets - and you decency. The Talmudic monsters that are hounding this poor pold man will NEVER allow a word of discussion on the REAL holocaust of the 20th Century - the murder of MILLIONS and MILLIONS of White Russian Christian peasants, in Communist Russia. The Bolsheviks - the Jews- systematically slaughtered up to 50 million.

Ummm, Pearlie, where did you get the idea that any of us here were anti-Semites?
We want evidence beyond a reasonable doubt before someone is convicted and punished , not just punishing somebody because the real perpetrator can't be found. That doesn't mean we should be lumped in with a bunch of cross-burning, Jew-baiting morons...

Is particpating in a "just war", or even in the armies of an agressor, (but without committing atrocities), the same as "following orders" that include such unspeakable horrors as the Nazis carried out in the camps? Shouldn't those who were directly involved in herding up, executing and tormenting many of the millions be held responsible? This man admitted his unit shot Jewish prisoners. The Jews were prisoners not because they were criminals, but becuase they were Jews. They were shot because they were Jews. He admits to being in a unit charged with shooting them. With rounding them up, searching door-to-door. Did this unit also burn the ghetto down? Did they ship the survivors off to concentration camps?

Does the "good" one does (or is lucky enough to be surrounded by and enjoy) later in life supersede complicity and direct action in mass murder?

"Does the "good" one does (or is lucky enough to be surrounded by and enjoy) later in life supersede complicity and direct action in mass murder?"

No, of course not. I think we all agree that if he can be proven guilty, he must pay in some appropriate manner, regardless of the time lapse. Even the Nuremburg lawyers realized that some soldiers were under immense pressure, even coercion, to commit unspeakable acts. They developed criteria that they deemed workable to try and convict those who had greater degress of responsibility. There were then, and are now, a lot of difficult borderline issues.

I think Perlie's point does merit some consideration, as well. The focus has been almost excpusively on the plight of the Jews in the holocaust. Even powerful media Jews admit seeking to keep it alive and vivid, lest it happen - to anyone - again.

The Hiding Place was a good Christain-oriented movie about the fact that there were many Christains who perished at the hands of the Nazis (many protecting their Jewsih neighbors); who (the Nazis) were really against all biblical religion because of its Jewish background connections. The Jews were very powerful players in the economic and cultural circles of pre-war Europe, and the whole Nazi-Jewish dynamic centered around money and power, not so much opposing religious scrupples.

The situation with the Bolshviks was equally (or more) horrid, and does indeed need to be retold to a contemporary audience, lest we forget the demonic nature of Communism and modern humanist socialism, its Western stealth cousin. As far as the Jewish connection with Bolshevism; there was obviously (historically) some involvement; but they were not religious Jews in any meaningful sense. The effet Western intellectual element in Communism cut across all ethnic and religious lines. The fact the Jews were disproportionately numerous in the intellectual circles of the day says more about the make up of the Boshevist mob than any religiously motivated complicity in the Russian Christian holocaust. But the story is not dealt with much these days, which does probably tell us something about who has a great deal of control over Western media emphases.

Oh, thanks Alice and Eric. See, miracles DO happen.

Alice - where did you get the idea that Pearlie was anti-Semitic? What Pearlie wrote was a simple statement of fact. Methinks thou protesteth too much.

If this guy merely did what his unit was charged with doing, and he's been law-abiding since he arrived in this country, then he shouldn't be deported. He's merely a perpetrator, not an originator.

Now if he was someone who originated policy. like Adolf Eichmann, then that would be a different story.

Wouldn't it be nice if our government was just as enthusiastic about finding and deporting illegal MS-13 guerrillas as it is about hounding 91-year old broken-down ex-Nazis?

ddawG,
if someone from the gangs in new york city killed your 6 yr. old daughter (let's say it happened 35 yrs. ago) as an initiation ritual - new dna evidence shows this individaul is the person responsible - should they be held accountable or are they just a perpetrator and not the originator of the murder - after all for the last 35 yrs. this person has lived as a law abidding citizen ?!
using this kind of (il)logic would basically give a free pass to anyone who might commit a heinous crime then decide afterwards to live a decent life.
this type of (il)logic is what is permeating our society today..... blame someone else for YOUR actions and take no personal rersponsibility.
i am happy that my 19 yr. old son has a relationship with God and that some of his direction in this life will be governed by that realtionship, otherwise to follow ddawgs model this would be a sick(er) world in which to live (imo).

Where did I get the idea that Pearlie might be a bit of an anti-semite?
From his/her words:

" The Talmudic monsters"... " The Bolsheviks - the Jews- systematically slaughtered up to 50 million."

" Talmudic monsters" - hmmm, which religion has the Talmud as a part of its history and religious teachings?
It ain't the baptists.

" The Bolsheviks- the Jews." hmm, I didn't know all Jews were Bolsheviks. But if that's the case, someone could also say that all Christians are psycho-bombers and murderers b/c of Eric Rudolph and Timothy Mc Veigh.

I agree with Alice on those specific wordings in Perlie's post. I think they are also carefully aimed, since "Talmud" is referenced, but not "Torah". History soon showed, also, the Communists were no friends of Judaism or Jews.