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Sadly, there is a whole raft of conservative rabble rousers standing in the wings, waiting to take over the mantel of Head Theocrat from Kennedy. Rod Parsley will be a big name, I expect. And of course, there's still John Haggee. No, there will always be a steady stream of people coming along, more than ready to try and finish destroying the America that our Founding Fathers tried to create. And they'll keep trying it, as Kennedy did, in the names of the very Founding Fathers whose faces he was spitting in.

" . . . as Kennedy did, in the names of the very Founding Fathers whose faces he was spitting in."

I never cease to be amazed at the vitriole you guys can shell out. In FACT, the kind of country our founding PEOPLE (not just the few and famous who did up the documents) was a decidedly Christian culture. That was the great dream of a vast majority of the people: Anglicans, Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians and Catholics, Congregationalists, and Quakers. They differed on some points, but were essentially unified in their commitment to the Creator, His Word, and the Gospel. While most supported the idea of religious freedom and plurality as well as the seperation of Church and state, they would be utterly appalled that atheism and anti-Christian ideologies were seeking to remake their Christian nation into a cesspool of immorality, secular statism, degraded entertainment, perversion and infanticide, ad nauseam.

In my opinion, Kennedy was an excellent apologist of the Faith, despite inevitable human imperfections. He was an intellignet and well-read student of his times and was an able speaker and communicator. He was a good and decent man who upheld the truth of the Scriptures, even though it is anathema to the contemporary humanist establishment and media.

Unfortuntely the same cannot be said of many other current TV religious personalities (with some few exceptions), who, though having little theological education, have managed to become pseudo-representatives of the biblical Faith.

While I agree with them on some things, I find their techniques of fund-raising deplorable, their teaching shallow and error-ridden, and their eccentric displays of emotionalism and sensationalism embarassing. It's too bad that these types have cornered the media market, as it were; while those who are far more theologically learned and grounded have little or no voice.

Certianly, the Republican Party is far from being the voice of God or His Word. In most areas they are just a-bit-more-conservative Democrats. I don't want a political party which presumes to speak for God. That's not the role of governmental bodies. The church is SUPPOSED to do that, but has been muzzled by liberalism, sidelined by charismatic foolishness, and distracted by fundementalist rapturism. The voice of God is hard to find in America today - especially in the media.

Only those who intelligently, seriously and "rightly divide the Word of truth" can claim to prophetically speak for God to America. God is raising up such students of the Word, and they will more than fill the shoes of their predecessors. My greatest fear is that the media "stars" will delay the true revival of our nation, and the esblishment of God's moral Law as the standard of truth and virtue - NOT a state church, but a godly people, living uprightly.

I agree with eric, there will always be another waiting in the the wings to take the spot of those who move on; whether by choice or death.

And the comments of the mystery person are humorous to say the least. I do not know where this person has been living for the past 35+ years. It sure has not been on planet earth, specifically in the US.

And just for the record, the early Baptists & Quakers were not seeking to make this new world a "Christian" nation. Read up on those two groups. I know because of extensive research and first hand experience. Be careful what is written as fact from one's own perspective. It may come back to "bite" you!

Shalom

Well as of Wednesday, Kennedy is walking with Falwell. I offer condolences to his family. Yet, for the damage he/his ministry has caused countless numbers, I am not saddened. I can only hope that the measure of grace to him is greater than that which he measured to others.

Shalom

"And just for the record, the early Baptists & Quakers were not seeking to make this new world a "Christian" nation."

I SAID that there were distinctives and differences among these groups of Christains, but they ALL wanted a Christian America - in their own way. Some were definitely more into the separation idea because of the bad taste of European established churches and the persecution they expereinced there.

You don't seem to understand that wanting a Christian America does NOT mean we want a state church, or the "official" endoursement of a particualr expression of the Faith. We DO want Christian/biblical persons and principles to be normative throughout the culture and govenment.

The early Baptists, like the Methodists, were avid evangelists. This is A means of creating a Christain country; and in my opinion, a necessary one. IMPOSING Christianity on people has been tried in the past, and failed miserably. It MUST be a grass-roots-up reality, whereby Christians elect Christian presidents and representatives to Congress - and pass laws, appoint judges, and affect policy - JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES - humanists, socailists, et al. That's the only sense biblical Christians want to see a Christian America: no dictatorships or oppressive regimes. But because your worldview clashes with those principles you condescendingly assume that your worldview is the ONLY one worthy of implementation.

But as I have stated many times before, there can be only ONE worldview dominating a culture for any length of time. Transitions may occur, but they are realtively short-lived because of the uncertain and chaotic conditions they create. The normative MO of all cutlures is for there to be a unifying worldview/philosophy/religion which is the operative standard for laws, policy and morality.

At this time, we are in a transitional period. That's why things are so tense and confrontational. Ultimately God's Word of Truth will triumph, for "The Kingdoms of this world have become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Messiah."

God is cleaning house and separating the wheat from the chaff in His Church, in order that the Kingdom may be established with equity, justice and pure doctrine. It will no doubt take a lot more time; perhaps decades, or centuries, to bring the Church to the point where it is capable of being a worthy purveyor of the Kingdom.

Darryl, I think your reaction to the demise of the coot is far more decent than he'll get from many folks I know. Enjoy the high road, my friend. {;-)

Thanks eric! Between your words and those of Nikos which only validate what I said earlier give me hope!

Shalom

Electing only members of one's professed faith to enact Christian-based laws and regulations, in essence outlawing or making very difficult other faith-based behaviours, is hardly being grass-roots-up. It's the tyranny of the majority, exactly what the framers wanted to avoid with a system of checks and balances.

Electing only members of one's professed faith to enact Christian-based laws and regulations, in essence outlawing or making very difficult other faith-based behaviours, is hardly being grass-roots-up. It's the tyranny of the majority, exactly what the framers wanted to avoid with a system of checks and balances.