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Isn't it interesting how the liberals in this church stayed around to try and change things through convincing people and getting the support they needed for democratically changing things around? And as soon as they start to do that, the conservatives start crying and running away to start their own exclusive churches.

My, how the culture wars have changed!

I must admit you have something of a point, Namtac. The orthodox traditionalists did indeed allow things to get to this point over the decades, with little effective confrontation and resistance. The same thing happened in America, with the liberals ultimately gaining the votes to enact their unbiblical agenda in most mainline denominations.

HOWEVER, it must also be noted that both in the English church AND the American, the process of liberalization took place very gradually, almost imperceptibly. It started in the seminaries and gradually filtered out into the larger church. It was a stealth operation; and by the time most conservatives became fully aware of exactly what had happened, it was too late: J. Gresham Machen in the 1920s at Princeton, for example. At a certain tipping point the liberals at Princeton and elsewhere became very aggressive and duplicitous. It was NOT the kindly democratic process you suggest, Namtac. You must also realize that your noble liberals in the SBC have left pouting to form their own little group. So it does slice both ways. It simply depends on who’s gaining the ascendancy. Your conservatives-bashing is therefore superficial and fatuous.

It should also be understood that the recent changes enacted by the English and American churches (and others elsewhere) did not happen over night, but were the most egregious in a long line of theological departures spanning many decades. And so, in actuality, ordaining gay bishops and women bishops were simply straws that broke the camel’s back. So it is quite understandable why many decided, AFTER MANY DECADES OF STAYING, to leave. There can be no collegiality and communion with apostates! They have no choice at this point, for conscience sake. IMO, however, they should’ve left long ago, because the CoE and ECUSA have been heretical in many other doctrinal issues for decades. They are both sick and decaying ecclesiastical corpses, as one anti-Christian author recently observed. When the archbishop has nice things to say about integrating Sharia into English spiritual life, they are sounding their own death knell as a true and viable Christian church. Truly sad!

I must admit you have something of a point, Namtac. The orthodox traditionalists did indeed allow things to get to this point over the decades, with little effective confrontation and resistance. The same thing happened in America, with the liberals ultimately gaining the votes to enact their unbiblical agenda in most mainline denominations.

HOWEVER, it must also be noted that both in the English church AND the American, the process of liberalization took place very gradually, almost imperceptibly. It started in the seminaries and gradually filtered out into the larger church. It was a stealth operation; and by the time most conservatives became fully aware of exactly what had happened, it was too late: J. Gresham Machen in the 1920s at Princeton, for example. At a certain tipping point the liberals at Princeton and elsewhere became very aggressive and duplicitous. It was NOT the kindly democratic process you suggest, Namtac. You must also realize that your noble liberals in the SBC have left pouting to form their own little group. So it does slice both ways. It simply depends on who’s gaining the ascendancy. Your conservatives-bashing is therefore superficial and fatuous.

It should also be understood that the recent changes enacted by the English and American churches (and others elsewhere) did not happen over night, but were the most egregious in a long line of theological departures spanning many decades. And so, in actuality, ordaining gay bishops and women bishops were simply straws that broke the camel’s back. So it is quite understandable why many decided, AFTER MANY DECADES OF STAYING, to leave. There can be no collegiality and communion with apostates! They have no choice at this point, for conscience sake. IMO, however, they should’ve left long ago, because the CoE and ECUSA have been heretical in many other doctrinal issues for decades. They are both sick and decaying ecclesiastical corpses, as one anti-Christian author recently observed. When the archbishop has nice things to say about integrating Sharia into English spiritual life, they are sounding their own death knell as a true and viable Christian church. Truly sad!

Those women and gays are a' comin' to getcha, Nikos. They might even move in next door to you. Booga booga!!!