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There is no compelling reason why the federal government should either recognize or count gay "marriages," given the Defense of Marriage Act. The fact that two states have legalized it, is indeed irrelevant. Thank God, there are still barriers and resistance to it. If gay "marriage" were ever to be fully accepted in every state, we would be a nation at grave risk for divine judgment. We are already well on our way; not just because of trashing God's intended model for marriage, but many other sinful and wretched cultural trends, laws, and practices. If we continue in this direction we will surely bring upon ourselves the ruin and chaos promised in the Scriptures.

Nikos, I beg to disagree; the US is already a nation in great peril due to supposed divine judgment! Recognizing and accepting gay/lesbian marriage as legal under the US Constitution (which provided freedom for ALL, is not the reason that religious fundamentalists should fear divine judgment on the US. Trust me, the heterosexual community has done far more than the GLBT community can even begin to think about doing!

Shalom

Darryl, I specifically said that gay "marriage" was NOT the only reason for divine judgment on America: "MANY other sinful and wretched cultural trends, laws, and practices." It's just that sexual perversion is part of the last stage in a nation’s degradation (Romans 1. 24-32) – precisely because it strikes at the very heart of God's Kingdom dynamics (continuity of the Covenant and generational holiness). It is a VERY serious sin in God's eyes, along with other sexual sins: fornication, adultery, prostitution, and bestiality.

But I do agree that we are ALREADY in peril. My point was that we seem to be hell-bent on "filling our cup of iniquity," as the Scripture says. There is a progression in the Scriptures, which begins with disbelief in God and His Law/Word and ends with destruction at the by an invading enemy (Israel by Babylon in the OT, and by the Romans in the NT in 70 AD). In between are cultural degeneration, discord, revolution, and economic failure. It can take years for the cycle to play out; and it can also be averted by repentance and spiritual renewal.

Regarding your statement: “the US Constitution (which provided freedom for ALL,” – there is NO true freedom outside the parameters of God’s righteous Law/Word. Man has NO rights but which are granted and circumscribed by Holy Scripture. To try to USE a mere human document to usurp God’s moral Law is precarious, to say the least. Shall we say that a person has the right to sexually accost a child simply because he is granted carte blanche “freedom” to do so. I think not! Homosexual acts are in this category. All sin brings sore bondage, not freedom. Try robbing a bank and see how much freedom you get in prison – same for any criminal sin. Human decriminalization of something in NO WAY averts divine sanctions; but increases them, because the deluded soul thinks himself “free” to indulge his lust with impunity. This is where America is right now in regard to gay “marriage:” we think by passing our presumptuous laws we can supercede God’s Law. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN! Trust me. Or rather, trust God.

Nikos, I suggest a course in exegesis.

Shalom

No thanks. I already have two masters degrees in theology (MDIV & MAR). The seminary I attended was VERY strong on exegetical training, including in-depth coursework on Hebrew and Greek application. But no amount of academic training can substitute for the illumination of hte Spirit.

So on what specific point(s) do you disagree with my exegesis, and why: using your own exegetical method?

Do you doubt that God is holy, and judges all sinful departures from His divine will and Law? How do you ignore the voluminous citations throughout scripture supporting this truth?

Do you really think that homosexuality is in harmony with Genesis 2: 18-25, The Song of Solomon, or Ephesians
5: 25-33?

I readily admit imperfection in exegesis, as must all fallible souls; but I think I have a decent grasp of orthodox scriptural truth. Six years and many thousands of dollars of seminary were meant to provide me with just that. But I'm willing to learn and change if you can convince me otherwise.

What amuses me about the gay marriage debate is how the ones with religious objections are proven wrong in their dire predictions of natural disasters and social collapse - yet they stick to those predictions like glue.

Several European countries have had gay couples getting married for years now, and no meteors have fallen, no freak hurricanes have wiped and cities off the earth, and there have been no massive terrorist strikes. Things aren't perfect there - never have been. But the place hasn't gone up in smoke as many apparently expected. Sure looks like it would be safe enough here, if it weren't for the number of zealots who would very likely take matters into their own hands and try to carry out God's judgment - as they see it, naturally.

Nikos, I have spoken to/addressed the error of scriptural interpretation and exegetical incompetence in past postings. It is not my job to convince. Rather, I state the obvious and let the Spirit/Light of God work. I cannot convince, rather it is God. Until one opens one's self up FULLY AND WHOLLY to the Light of God, then more complete understanding cannot be known.

I would hope that with all of that education and money spent, thee would have been exposed to complete understanding. Then when one considers the "jumping around" that has been done, one gets nothing less than what is spewed on these blogs.

Shalom

nikos,

by now you have determined that scriptural exegesis
is not Darryl's forte. quite contrary actually, there isn't much scripture which he does believe. and if you were to ask him to post several examples of scriptural interpretations and exegetical incompetence, he will decline to answer. he is more interested in soliciting males to come take a shower with him or have some of those bare chested hunks (lds guys) show up at his front door - and i'm sure you can imagine what activities would pursue. i think he believes this is the mate wanted section of males looking foe males.
it is pointless to converse with him, he has mastered the dodge and weave all the while accusing you (or me) of being incompetent and small minded. he has received the light and has no further need for scripture, apparently when he received the light he got all the knowledge. personally i believe he was blinded by the light.
"then more complete understanding cannot be known.".......translated it means universalism.

Looks like Buz here will need Nikos to buy him some tinfoil too. Nikos, the Missus and Buz can all wrap up real good and tight and avoid Teh Gay Rays.
Adjust your hats, guys, The sun is setting and that means Teh Gay is coming in from the west now.

Thanks for the personal attack of character there Buz. Thee too knows well that I have sought out open dialogue on GLBT issues pertaining to references (whether inferred or put there by modern humans) in scripture. Yet, the posting above is the "dialogue" that ensues. Let the people who read these make their own determination.

Shalom

Buz and Nikos- it is time to readjust your tinfoil hats. It is nearly noon eastern standard time sod that means Teh Gay will be coming at you from directly overhead.

Wrap up your wimmen and chillens too! Teh Gay Rays seek out innocent rightwing fundies like Ted Haggard, John Paulk and Paul Crouch and recruit them into toe-tapping in mens rooms and even more unspeakably Gay things like brushing their teeth and using shampoo rather than bar soap.

Rumor has it that even members of Promise Keeers who drive for NASCAR are not immune. Better buy some GPF 50 Ray block too. Tin foil may not be enough to keep you 100% hetero and you can never be too careful about these things.

darryl,
which part of my post is not true ?
you have repeatedly said that you don't believe all scripture (meaning you pick and choose) - you in fact did solicit a male shower companion on this blog and you did in fact say (on this blog) that you would like one of those bare chested hunks at your front door- you have stated on this blog that until you received the 'light' you used to think like we do - implying that you now know what is correct and those who have not received the 'light' are incorrect - when asked to be more specific about what you post you generally says that your previous post is all that your gonna get and you have stated that "EVERYONE" will get a free pass to heaven regardless of there indifference to God and His Messiah.. for which of these statements are you saying i assailed your character?

sorry alice it just isn't worth my effort to respond to you.