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Is there something wrong with getting fallopian tubes tied? Seems to me that anyone who wants to reproduce that badly needs counseling, not fertility pills.

Personally, I find this woman to be totally irresponsible and selfish. She absolutely needs psychiatric treatment. Anyone who is that obsessed with having so many children needs help, big-time. As a Kaiser member, I wonder who is footing the astronomical medical bills for this woman and her eight offspring.

Once implanted with 8 fertilized eggs, there is really only one choice for this woman...do the best you can and seek help immediately. The real question is how this could have ever been allowed to happen in the first place. Every woman should have the right to bear children, married or not. Every woman equally has the responsibility to not have any children that cannot adequately be cared for. This single mom living at home (apparently not working) can't care for the 6 children she already had adequately. The doctors should be sued for malpractice, plain and simple. Every doctor I've spoken with about this (okay, 3) said it should have been no more than perhaps 3 eggs, 4 absolute tops. Eight eggs is human experimentation. Actually any eggs for a single mom living at home with 6 kids is malpractice.

Cynara : As a fellow Kaiser member, your comments are right on - you and I are paying for her octet. The doctor who implanted so many eggs is totally irresponsible and she is totally irrational for allowing it.

I would like to know what kaiser doctor (if indead it was kaiser or an out side doctor) did this to begin with, should have lic. taken away. I just can't believe that a good doctor would do that knowing that she already had 6 kids to begin with. what is she an animal to go for a whole bunch of babies like dogs, rats or what ever. I makes me sick and I guess the state will have to support them.

News says her father will head back to Iraq to fund the huge family. Was she impregnated here or in Iraq? I agree -- no doctor should have implanted her with any number of babies. 6 is a lot for any mom. Let alone a single one. And to artificially create this situation is just crazy!

A physician who would implant ANY embryos into a woman who already can't care for six should lose their license, period. I kind of doubt there's insurance to pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars it will cost to care for eight prematurely born babies. (Don't get me wrong, I'm glad their "healthy".) Just totally irresponsible......wake up, people!!

I'm betting she is probably a Baptist, I've found them to be the easiest . . .

Personally, i think it is disgusting on 2 levels. What is wrong with her, that after already having 6 children, she feels the need to have even one more (especially when she is a single mom to boot!). But what is perhaps even more reprehensible is that doctor for giving her fertility treatments. And who in the h--- paid for the treatments? I would bet that she does not have health insurance so the question begs to be asked, who paid for it? Better not have been with my tax dollars. And now i suppose we will end up supporting her, she will get all kinds of free products, endorsements, etc. It is disgusting. There is nothing you can say to justify what she did!!!!!!

Obviously this lady was not having a problem getting pregnant, she has 6 kids! So what dr. in there right mind allowed this to happen? He should have recommended a tubal not an embryo implant. How does a single mom of 6 even pay for this?
After 6 children right in a row, the uterus is already worn to the max, but this dr. risked this women's life to implant more embryos?? Obviously she's (the mom) nuts, but I thought more highly of the medical profession being I myself am an RN.

Totally disgusted in Indiana

you know....with your thinking....we should just kill em all....oh....we already do that!!!! especially if one is black...no father...no hope...oh...that was our new president wasnt it...hum...ah kill em all anyway.

Actually, now I think of it, I wonder whether this woman is of the sort that simply loves being pregnant. A psychiatrist should be involved, because she really should NOT indulge that desire ever again. And really, I think the whole family needs counseling and close monitoring by social services. I would guess that there is a big possiblity that neglect will be on the way.

why was she on fertility pills in the first place? She already has 6 children so she obviously didnt need them. She is a single mother, living with her parents. I doubt she has health insurance so the tax payers will foot the bill for all 14 kids health care.

I think if Yahuwah our heavenly father would not have wanted her to have the 8 he would have taken care of it himself. Yahuwah determines wether babies make it or not. I commend her for not murdering any of those little ones as most of you would probably approve of. It is also this mothers business on how many kids she wants none of yours. Those babies are all little blessings from our father Yahuwah. Yahuwah bless you and the little ones mom!

1. Freedom of choice -- there it is, folks. Women get to choose how they manage their reproduction. She made her choice, for better or worse. We do not get to decide how other women manage their reproductive choices.
2. It is not likely that this birth process came about through the implantation of embryos. What is more likely is that she was given fertility drugs and an insemination -- IVF is more controlled and is less likely to create multiples greater than two fetuses. Some fertility drugs have higher risks of high number multiples than do other drugs. Monitoring ovarian stimulation was the issue, if we're going to reprimand the MDs in the process.
3. To those who cry "we, the taxpayers, are paying the cost!" well, I say this: we, the taxpayers, pay for the smokers and their lung cancer, the over-eaters and their vascular diseases, the bad drivers with their MVAs, the alcoholics and drug addicts with their GI bleeds and ODs. We all pay for all of the foolish, but human, mistakes we all make. That's what happens in a community. Sometimes we're ok with it, sometimes we're not, but it's life on life's terms as members of our national community.

bob, I think possibly Nancy was thinking that abortion was going to be part of this thread, but think about it a sec - this story is about a woman who CHOSE to become pregnant. No one chooses to get pregnant just so they can have an abortion. Unless you read The Onion.

No, everyone else who has responded were far more interested in the notion that a woman who already had six children to take care of and WASN'T, wanted to have more children. And got her wish using other people's money. THAT is the central problem that everyone is seeing here.

I am going to agree with Linda from Sacrememto Calif. What is wrong with this woman when she already has 6 kids and no husband and now she will have 8 more and what is wrong with her parents. I would be telling her to get a job and support the 6 she has instead of laying around on her parents. She is nuts

I'm guessing there's going to be some pretty offputting discoveries made about this mother and/or her family in the coming weeks. First, artificial insemination is not cheap. We're talking a down payment on a house kind of expensive, and it does not appear that this mom is wealthy, being that she lives with her parents. Second, if she has six kids already, there's no reason for infertility care, particularly the sort she appears to have had -- that fools the body into releasing multiple eggs for fertilization. She doesn't appear to be have trouble making eggs, unless her other kids were also fertility babies. Third, fertility clinics are easily able to -- and ethically obliged to -- ascertain how many eggs are released by a woman after she's taken a fertility drug like the one it's being reported she took. This is so that the doctor and patient can determine whether to proceed with fertilization processes. Eight eggs? For so many reasons, no go! Fourth, the mother is single and living with her parents, which leads one to believe she's not that stable of an adult. Either that, or her parents aren't that stable and need her help, and the three of them combined aren't equipped to parent 14 kids. Who knows? All of these points beg the question, why would a single woman living with her parents purposely get pregnant with multiple babies when she already has six? Is she mentally fit? Are they trying to breed a colony of some sort? A cult? What kind of craziness is at play here?

I was wrong. Her MD did implant 8 embryos -- not sound medical practice and not standard of care for fertility MDs, but again, apparently it was her choice.

Apparently, this woman's uterus is now a clown car. Whoa, Nellie!

It is unbelievably sad that other people think they have the right to judge this new mother. How dare you! It is her right to have as many children as she wants to. So far, in America, it is still legal to have children, isn't it? Of course, if Barack Obama keeps up his support of the Freedom of Choice Act and Planned Parenthood that could all change. Most Americans don't know that Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, a twisted crazy woman who thought that black people, immigrants, and poor people were unfit to live. Her plan was to eliminate these people (she called them "human weeds") through birth control and abortion. So all of you that think perhaps this woman doesn't have the right to have so many children better think twice because one day very soon Barack Obama and Congress may be telling YOU just how many children you are allowed to have. God forbid if you don't fit the right pay scale or you are a minority. Hey, but don't take my word for it... do the research yourself. Google Founder of Planned Parenthood. Also see what the Governor of Georgia is doing to stop black children from being a target of Planned Parenthood.

Why all the indignation? This was a difficult, private matter between a woman and her doctor. (sarcasm mine)

The knife cuts both ways.

Sarah, get a grip. God helps those who help themselves. People should not be revered and rewarded for irresponsibly procreating. The planet is crowded enough and NO ONE can adequately care for 14 children. God does not determine who is born and who is not -- that is a function of chance and biology. Intelligent people make good choices. Divine intervention does not trump gross stupidity, which is what a person displays when they decide to have more children than they can reasonably care for. She already had six and then decided to enter into a medical procedure which put her and, most importantly, her children at risk. Instead of funneling her energy to do the best she can as a mother to 6 she now has to spread herself and resources even thinner to care for 14. I don't care how many friends and family members contribute, those six children will now suffer because their mother is selfish and irresponsible. I was a single mom and, I stopped at one because when I was divorced I knew that my child needed all the attention I could give her. Having more children would have been a disservice to the child I already had. And, to Annoyed: Yes, people are free to choose, and yes, we do pay too much for people's stupid actions. I recognize that as a member of society you have to expect a degree of idiocy from the masses. However, what is wrong with recognizing that his woman is the poster child for misguided and stupid decisions? As a community we have to speak out that these types of choices are fundamentally wrong and detrimental to the well being of children. Let's call to stop all the warm and fuzzy media and rewards for people who choose have litters. How about rewarding people who choose to be responsible parents instead? I would love for the News at 5 to highlight small families who have the time and resources necessary to lavish their children with the attention they need and deserve.

It is sad that society has brainwashed women into thinking that pregnancy is bad. As one medical report from my local hospital states, "Pregnancy is a dangerous health condition". What a total misinterpretation of pregnancy! I was outraged. Pregnancy is a beautiful, natural part of a woman's life. It is a woman's choice to have as many children as she wants to. Again, how can people be so judgmental? Having children is a normal part of life. It is beautiful and a miracle from God. It is his intentions to bless with his own love. Babies are innocent and pure. They love unconditionally.
It is nobody's business how this single mother intends to raise her children. People should spend more time worrying about how they are raising their own children and stop judging others. Perhaps if parents taught their children compassion for others their wouldn't be so much hatred in the world.

I agree with you totally Jana. And for those of you that feel this women has the right to have as many children as she wants, If she can afford them and give them all the love and caring they need including her other 6 children that's fine with me. But to assume that the state (my tax dollars) is responsible for her poor choices is another thing. I'm glad her babies are healthy, for now, but again where does she get the resources to care for them when they all come down with a cold, or other sicknesses. Who pays for the diapers? She is not even giving the baby her own breast milk, but very expensive donar milk from a milk bank. Human milk is best for those babies, but she cannot even do that for them? I really feel for all those children because she has made her whole family freaks. Wherever they go wherever they live people will look at her family and herself as freaks. But I guess she has the right to choose this for her family. Her parents must be nuts also to encourage this. They should've encouraged her to get her tubes tied. Where are any of the fathers of the other children in the picture anyway? Is this lady just a glutton for punishment? All the adults in that family truly need mental counseling and I fear for all the children. THe only way they will ever have enough money to care properly for these kids is to exploit them , on Tv, movies, commercials etc. But , maybe that is the original intent of all of this.

According to CBS, this family lost a house last year. The grandfather is returning to Iraq in order to earn money to support this family. The idea that this woman has the resources to care for her immense family on her own is not, has apparently never been valid.

Her choice to WORK at getting pregnant makes no sense. This is why I think counseling was needed at the start of the process, not when she turned up on Kaiser's doorstep 3 months into the gestation.

I agree that the woman's choices about her body are hers to make. But I also think the medical service provider she used to get pregnant did a huge disservice to her and to the community that will be stuck with the tab by not doing everything it could, including simply refusing to provide the requested service, to prevent this from happening.

Some have compared the support of the insurance system or government in this case with that of cancer or diabetes patients. That is not a good linkage, because cancer and diabetes patients don't actively pursue these conditions.

"Sarah, get a grip. God helps those who help themselves. "...............couldn't disagree more with this statement. take a quick glance at the scriptures and you will see just how untrue this statement is.

You pro abortion advocates should sit down and shut up. She made a choice- you are so hypocritical to second-guess her. If a healthy woman chooses to abort three in a row with no health or criminal issues, you would be deriding anyone who was appalled. Choice, as some has mentioned, is a two edged sword.She was simply saying, keep your laws (and hypocrisy) off my body.

""Sarah, get a grip. God helps those who help themselves. "...............couldn't disagree more with this statement. take a quick glance at the scriptures and you will see just how untrue this statement is."

Sorry buz, but if you were a Christian you would understand the ultimate meaning of this phrase. If you are not, then it won't matter to you anyway.

If we do not get to choose how that woman exercises her reproductive choices, we should not have to pay for the result. Otherwise, it's taxation without representation. Freedom entails responsibility. If her freedom forces others to pay for its exercise, then we are not all created equal. Some, like this irresponsible mother, are more equal than others. As for Sarah's comment that if "Yahuwah" (sounds like a flugelhorn) allowed these babies to be born, he must have approved of it, if the mere fact that something happens means God approves of it, then God has a lot to answer for. Has she even read the rest of the posts? Nobody suggests that she should have "murdered" them, only that they should not have been conceived in the first place.

As for the abortion thread, this issue is about responsibility, not abortion. I oppose abortion, but this woman clearly had no business impregnating herself with more children than she could care for. Freedom does not legitimize stupidity, especially if acting on it infringes on the freedom of others, such as those who will help to care for these children. If she were Brad and Angelina, who can afford a whole tribe of offspring, I would say go for it, but having more children than you can support is simply child abuse, and no one is free to do that.

Is this one of those times when the state should come in and take the children? I read this weekend that the single mom's mother said she might not be there when the daughter comes home -- as in, it is too much for her. Someone is going to have to care for those babies. Someone is going to have to feed those babies. We agree this is an unfortunate incident for different reasons. The question now is, what should happen next?

Here is a commentary regarding the ethical issues surrounding the IVF treatments at clinics. It really makes you wonder: if physicians generally consider the health of the potential mother and children at risk if there are more than 2 implanted fetuses, what sort of doctor would implant 8 at one time??

And really, is it not a good idea for a fertility doctor to know what family situation is happening with his patients, and add that into the screening process for these services?

I feel that this single-parent mother of now 14 children should have been much more responsible in her decision. Even if she did have a job, she definitely has to take maternity leave now! Her current family situation does not make matters better. God truly does help those who helps themselves, but in no shape form or fashion could she possibly rely on the help of God when she decided to have more children on top of the children she could not adequately support; she was not helping herself. Hard-working American citizens will now, more than likely, support this woman and her multitude of a family from the deductions taken from their pay checks. So, to answer the question, I think that she never should have made the decision to have more children, it did not help ANYTHING. Most importnanly, the initial service should never have been provided to her.