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October 13, 2005
Terry's Deli
I checked it out today. Not bad at all. It's in the Shoppes at Deep River, in the same section that the Food Lion's in. It was T.J.'s Deli when it opened. But they changed the name. I can't tell you if the menu changed cause I never tried the old place. But the sandwich I had was pretty good, although most of the stuff on the menu seemed a little heavy for my liking.
So some folks might not care about posts like this. But I thought that as I discover North High Point I'd share my thoughts on the things I encounter.
Posted by Jonathan Jones at October 13, 2005 5:15 PM
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Is this a JOKE????? TERRY's Deli? A Deli named Terry's??--IN North High Point??? Is this someone's idea of funny?
OH MY GOD!
You ATE there, Jonathan? (I'm screaming!!)--That was a SQUIRREL sandwich you just ate! YOU ATE A SQUIRREL SANDWICH!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh!
ONLY an idiot would DARE to eat at a place called, "TERRY'S"!!! Do you have to take a ticket upon entrance??
What's on the menu?
Dot Stew?
SusieeeeeeePie?
Kookies??
Duncan Donuts?
Marti Meatloaf? (many meats mixed together)
Do they check your Race at the door? Will they be busing in the "right" ethnicity if they don't just come willingly?
Oh MY GOD I feel sick already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: no squirrel please at October 14, 2005 10:23 AM
Jonathan,
While you are out discovering N. High Point, have you noticed how crappy our schools are?
Have you noticed that District 2 has no representation?
Have you noticed that old HP's oldest living socialist runs the schools?
Have you noticed no one can walk to school anymore?
Have you noticed all the Honk if you've been Grier-ended magnets?
Have you noticed all the trailers at Southwest High School?
Have you noticed all the houses for sale?
Have you noticed all the school buses busing kids across town where that socialist lives?
See all the things you need to discover in High Point???
Posted by: ErinB. at October 14, 2005 3:26 PM
I'm probably making a mistake, but I'll play along ErinB.
While you are out discovering N. High Point, have you noticed how crappy our schools are?
No, I haven't. I don't have any children in the schools and I don't cover education, so all I know is what I've been reading in the paper and all the negative comments I get here on the North High Point blog. The chart we ran Sunday (available here: http://www.news-record.com/news/indepth/school_chart_100905.pdf ) shows that most of the schools N.H.P. kids attend are performing at or above the levels one would expect based on demographics. But it's obvious a lot of the parents are unhappy.
Have you noticed that District 2 has no representation? No. I didn't. Is that the school board district you're referring to? You have to forgive me a bit. I'm still learning my way around here.
Have you noticed that old HP's oldest living socialist runs the schools? I have no idea to whom you're referring, and I honestly don't care what people's political beliefs are, from socialist to libertarian to somewhere in the middle. I try to listen to what people have to say and observe what they're doing.
Have you noticed no one can walk to school anymore? I hadn't, but that's not unusual anywhere anymore. For safety reasons, many school districts around the country are shrinking or even eliminating walking zones. I wrote about that for another newspaper when the school district there did away with any students walking. I know I walked to school about a half mile and it didn't hurt me. But I take your point to be a reference to the choice plan. That's something I'm really not going to get into since I don't cover it and am still learning about it.
Have you noticed all the Honk if you've been Grier-ended magnets? No. But I've seen other derogatory signs about the superintendent. Never met the guy so I don't yet have an opinion. And if I did, I'd keep it to myself. That's not saying other folks shouldn't. It's just as a reporter, I do my darndest to keep my opinions to myself.
Have you noticed all the trailers at Southwest High School? Yes. That's another common problem. From my experiences in other towns around the country, it's usually a sign that you live in a desirable area.
Have you noticed all the houses for sale? That I have. And I'm in the early stages of taking a look at why. I have a feeling people leaving comments here will tell me it's because of the school plan. But I want to find out if that's really the case or if there is something else. I've asked other folks who've asserted the claim that people are leaving specifically because of the schools to help put me in touch with those people, so if you know of any, please feel free to drop me a line: jjones@news-record.com
Have you noticed all the school buses busing kids across town where that socialist lives? No.
See all the things you need to discover in High Point??? I'd hope there's plenty more to discover in High Point than a lot of gripes about the school system, but I do understand why folks are upset.
As always, I'll direct people over to The Chalkboard if they want a discussion with reporters who are covering the schools:
http://blog.news-record.com/chalkboard/
I never say never, but I won't often be reporting on the school system, so I won't often be commenting on it either.
Posted by: Jonathan Jones at October 14, 2005 4:12 PM
Jonathan:
Why would people e-mail you to tell you they are leaving because of the schools????
We are having a hard enough time selling our homes now as more go on the market every day. When our husband take a job transfer, we are stuck here. Like we really need the bad publicity. Even people out of state know about the lottery plan because of the internet. People do their homework. They are NOT choosing the SW school district.
You can simply call the realtors and ask them why.
Posted by: Joan at October 17, 2005 8:48 AM
Can't stay long, but that socialist is Dot Kearns, she studied with Marx and Lenin.
And right now North High Point and Jamestown has no representation; it has a body occupying a chair, not much else.
Posted by: Buckmtn at October 17, 2005 11:54 AM
Thanks for filling me in Buckmtn.
Joan, I'm just trying to find people who moved or are moving because of the schools that might be willing to talk with me about it. A Realtor might give me an ancetodal story, sure. But it's a lot more believable when it's coming from the source.
Posted by: Jonathan Jones at October 17, 2005 12:11 PM
A good place to start would be to walk the streets that have all the "for sale" signs. Go knock on their doors and ask them.
The problem is if they think you are a potential buyer and because they want out so bad, they aren't going to tell you "we have rotten schools". The selling agent may do the same.
If you are going to print an article that may prevent them from selling their homes quickly, they won't talk to you either. They want out quickly.
So Good Luck.
Posted by: Joan at October 17, 2005 1:08 PM
Joan's got a point.
Since the N&R likes to study home values and the like maybe someone would like to study the length of time homes have been on the market in the 27265 zip code both one year prior to Febraury 10, 2004 and one year after February 10, 2004.
Then compare the change in selling days to any similar zip codes in Greensboro or Kernersville.
This would eliminate the economy from the equation and highlight how "Trickle-Dot-Economics" have screwed up High Point.
I'll give you an example to get you started, the house right accross the street from me has sold twice before and was never on the market over 30 days. Now is has been on the market since January.
Posted by: Buckmtn at October 17, 2005 3:12 PM
Buckmtnguy (aka Jermiah Johnson):
That is an excellent proposed study to prove the point. Time on the market before and after "Black Tuesday" vote. And we won't even have to pay $122,000 for those statistics. Good job!
Is that "Trickle-Dot-Economics" mentioned in the book "Freakonomics" that some other blogger keeps mentioning on another site?
Posted by: Joan at October 18, 2005 9:55 AM
Joan, the N&R obviously has time for real estate studies and the impact on education, but we both know the "Black Tuesday" study is one study they will stay away from.
Why you ask? It's because the results of the study would not serve the joint agenda of the N&R and the School Board.
Jonathan, show me that you and the N&R are TRULY INDEPENDENT FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. Please do the study. Tell me the average resell days on the market for homes 18 months prior to 2/10/04 and 18 months after 2/10/04 for the 27265.
Then compare these numbers to a similar zip code in NW Greensboro, the Grimsley area of Greensboro, and say a similar Kernersville zip code.
Then when you have the answer give it the same print space and same headline that was in the N&R on the connection between income and school performance.
Please don't use that you are not an education reporter as an excuse. We all know the N&R can put other reporters on a task when it suits their needs and the needs of the School Board; let's see if the reverse is true and if the N&R is willing to dedicate a reporter when it might meet the needs of the taxpayers, who by the way multitask as the customers and advertisers of the N&R.
Posted by: Buckmtn at October 18, 2005 10:54 AM
Buckmtn,
Nice try but we know the N&R only reports what is dicated to them, or researched and hand delivered via silver platter, from the Board of Education.
Just go away quietly.
You do have one of those homes that mysteriously educates, right? Then just s-l-o-w-l-y back away from the school issues. If you have an "A+" home, you have no right to want or desire anything more. Your home will take care of everything. In fact, from what I read in the N&R, you can now just sit on your ass, sit back and do NOTHING and your "house" will parent and educate FOR you!
Enjoy!
Posted by: Lazy-Boy at October 18, 2005 11:14 AM
Buckmtn, I tried to send you an e-mail but the account's not active. I'd like to chat with you off the blog about something you mentioned here that could help me accomplish some of what you're asking. If you could send me a note at jjones@news-record.com, I'd appreciate it.
As far as being beholden to the school board, I can tell you outright that I have no personal interest/connection/ties or whatever to that body. I've never met any of them and don't cover them.
When it comes to dedicating a reporter to a particular issue and allocating space in the paper for a story, those are things you'd have to take up with JR over at the Editor's Log. I don't have any influence on those decisions.
Posted by: Jonathan Jones at October 18, 2005 11:16 AM
Jonathan,
Thanks for trying to take a stab at some of the education-related questions. As one of the education reporters here, I can tell you we've looked at how to approach topics such as home sales and how they've been affected by the High Point plan.
I like the idea of seeing how long it takes to sell homes now versus before the High Point plan. But I don't think there is a public database out there that we can get our hands on to tell us that. Does anyone out there know of one that does? Please let me know - jfernandez@news-record.com
The study that folks are referring to here was actually a story by Matt Williams, who went through Census data, which is public information. He paired it with academic data, also public information, provided by the state. There are certain things that every citizen (yes, that includes reporters) can access as "public information."
I know we can cull property tax information to find out how many homes have been sold and for what price. But I don't think there is any public database out there that says how long homes were on the market. I don't think real estate companies will give us data they may have compiled - and as private businesses they're not obligated to do so. Besides, what about all the homeowners who do their own selling?
I'll look into it some more. Maybe the realtor's association issues a report or study that has info like this. We checked into the home sales issue last year and didn't get anywhere. But I can try again.
Posted by: Jennifer Fernandez at October 18, 2005 7:55 PM
Jennifer, I'm not interested in the price any house sold for. I'm not interested in anyone's net worth. I'm not interested in any personal information on any citizens in Guilford County.
All I want to know is what the average number of listing days are 12 - 18 months before and after February 10, 2004 for homes in the 27265 zip code. You know why I'm picking that day don't you? You also know why I'm picking that zip code, don't you?
Pick random zip codes throughout Guilford County and compare to the 27265 zip code.
Don't tell me the N&R doesn't have a way to research this or that the Realtor's association plays it close to the vest. The N&R has ways to open up that "vest" when it wants to. The N&R sure wasn't bashful about seeing what income levels were a few weeks ago. I think no one wants to see this one undressed.
Posted by: Buckmtn at October 18, 2005 10:04 PM
Oh for crying out loud Jennifer, nobody is asking the N&R to determine whether or not Grier and Duncan wear boxers or briefs.
What's being asked for is definitely relavant information. This could be done if the N&R wanted to do it. If the edict came down from the School Board for a bit of information there is no doubt the N&R would bend over and say thank you.
I don't know what you're afraid of. The Stat-boy that is on staff over on Eugene Street can no doubt put a spin on any number.
Posted by: Skeetclubrider at October 18, 2005 10:47 PM
There's 2 reporters in Greensboro that have the required skillsets for this task.. Their names are Hammer and Yost.
Posted by: Rhinoreader at October 18, 2005 10:50 PM
Buck et al,
Why am I not surprised????
Any realtor can do a CMA and spit out the average time a house is on the market. It's done all the time. Also you could drive around, get a few "for sale" sign addresses and see how long current houses have been on the market. They can look it up in the MLS listing.
They can also tell you how long an average house in a certain area was on the market before 2/10/04 in certain neighborhoods.
Buck, I have some realtor friends who could do this for you, but it sure would be nice to have the TRUTH in print.
I know the HUGE article a few Sunday's ago about "rich" vs "poor" schools must have taken some time to prepare the data. I would think this task would not take as long.
Rhinoreader had a great idea. If N & R does not come through, you could call Willie or John at the Rhino. How hard could this be?
Posted by: Barbara Ann at October 18, 2005 11:04 PM
Barbara Ann, et al,
I have never covered business so I have no idea what data is available out there on real estate. If you know where I can get it, please tell me. You'd like to see a story like this in print, right? So help me out here.
You know a real estate agent who has access to such data, tell them to e-mail me or give me their information - jfernandez@news-record.com or 373-7064.
And Buck, I wasn't saying we should do a story about how much a house sold for. I was saying I know that I can get that information because it's public. I don't know if average length of sale is a public database and if it can be broken down by zipcode, which would be ideal because then you could compare trends.
Skeetclubrider,
Glad to know you don't want to know what kind of underwear folks are wearing.
Posted by: jennifer fernandez at October 19, 2005 11:19 AM
Okay Jennifer all you do is call any realtor and ask for a CMA of the area. Tell them you want the average time a house has been on the market since 2/10/04 in said area. Tell them you have a friend who may be interesting in listing/buying a house or whatever.
Tell them you heard sales are slow since the Choice Plan and your friend likes the area but you wanted to know if it would be a wise investment or not. Get the average days on the market since 2/10/04 - pick a few neighborhoods. Or drive around over by SWH and take some numbers off some signs and same routine.
Then, ask what the average listing time was 18 months prior to 2/10/04. Any realtor who would like your future business or referrals would be glad to assist you. At least when I lived in Virginia Beach for 23 years this is how the realtors were.
I hope this helps.
BA
Posted by: Barbara Ann at October 19, 2005 5:46 PM
Barbara Ann,
Thanks for the info and suggestions.
I actually found stats on the Greensboro Regional Realtors Association Web site.
One of our former business writers pointed me in that direction. There is data there that breaks down single-home sales by quarter and zip code.
If you want to check it out, go to their site then click on "links" then "press page." There are links to info about GSO, HPT, Forsyth and the Triad overall.
Here's a sampling:
First quarter 2004 for Zipcode 27265: Average time on market was 112 days. The Jamestown 27282 zip code was 88 and the southwest HPT zip 27262 was 174. High Point overall average was 113.
First quarter 2005: Zipcode 27265 was 119; Jamestown was 114 and SW HPT was 106. HP overall average was 116.
(NOTE: There are two other zips included in the reports that I didn't know what areas they represented. One was 27260 and the other was 27263. I just included a few here to give you some type of comparison.)
Third quarter 2004 to 2005:
Zip 27265 went from 105 to 83
Jamestown went from 94 to 60
SW HPT went from 106 to 121
I could only access the fourth quarter of 2003 (there were no links to the first three quarters). Here is how it looked compared with the same period for 2004:
Zip 27265: 117 to 99 in 2004
Jamestown: 111 to 106
SW HPT: 114 to 107
Overall went from 116 to 102
Hope this helps.
I'm working on a couple of stories right now, but I'll try to get back to this soon. There was no information on new home sales. I'll see if there is some data out there that might shed some light on any patterns there.
Posted by: jennifer fernandez at October 19, 2005 6:01 PM
Jen,
It helps some - don't have time to analyze now. You really need to drive over there, close to SWH and go through the neighborhoods and copy down some addresses when you have time.
Also a consideration is the drop in prices. I have heard of several folks including some in Jamesford Meadows that sold much lower just to "get out while the gettin was good".
Also as Buck suggested you need to compare to similar types of neighborhoods in Greensboro and the county.
It will take some time, but may be worth a good story.
Posted by: Barbara Ann at October 19, 2005 10:43 PM
Jennifer,
Please also take a look at listings. Some are still incorrectly stating the school zone as "Southwest".
I have seen some listings that say: "contact School Board" or something like that, but I get infuriated when I see the school zone incorrectly say, "Central, Southwest or Andrews". This should be unethical. I'd like to see the word "LOTTERY" in that spot on realtor listings.
Until more people start understanding what is actually going on in High Point, the highly opposed, forced busing will continue.
Also, don't be afraid to walk right up to the homes. ASK them why they are moving.
In fact, go to the NW school distict and you will find families that have just moved FROM the former SW zone.
ALSO, another issue that I would like to see go public is the MANY families that LIE to go to a school in a different zone. I know of students that LIVE in one zone yet go to schools in another zone. The school board is aware that this is happening and just ignore it. It's going on MUCH more than anyone would like to admit. SOME do it "legally" through Mr. Doyle Craven and use "grandma's" or "Auntie's" address and others do it "illegally". My point is to NOT force children to have to change schools, my point is to enlighten folks that parents will do whatever it takes to feel good about where their children go to school....thus, an open choice plan is the best plan.
I have come to realize that plan or no plan, families will, one way or another, go to school where they want. What a waste of time and money for the BOE to force an unwanted, illegal plan on a community. It won't work, and it isn't working now.
Thanks.
Posted by: Farsighted at October 20, 2005 9:47 AM
Jennifer, thank you for taking a stab at this. I agree with Barbara Ann's point that unless you know whether or not people were willing to come down on their original selling price you may not arrive at the correct answer.
For example I am friends with a couple that was able to "buy-up" into Jamesford Meadows because the selling couple was willing to dump their home and actually took a small loss. This would actually give off the appearance of the listing days improving, when in fact it improved at the detriment of the seller who wanted to get his/her kids out of the HP Choice Plan.
The couple who purchased this particular home have their youngest kids in college and are not impacted by the Choice Plan. This couple also sold their home in the Ragsdale area, which helps to explain improved listing days over there.
"Farsighted" is asking the N&R to do some rather extensive investigative reporting. I would have to agree it would be time well spent.
Posted by: Buckmtn at October 20, 2005 12:21 PM
