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To comment or not to comment

We are finally getting close to having the ability to enable comments on our stories. Our tech folks say we have four options:

1. Enable for all stories.
2. Enable for selected stories...a process that would be done manually.
3. Enable for a "category" of stories, such as Sports.
4. Not enable.

The idea that a story doesn't end with its newspaper publication is compelling. Readers perform a great public service on our blogs and in our letters adding information, correcting information and raising thoughtful questions. They move the story/idea forward because they bring so much discussion and perspective to it.

I've also watched them drive the conversation into the ground with a momentary stop in the gutter along the way. Other bloggers have complained about this as it regards the letters blog. Some commenters have complained about the rough-and-tumble world on The Chalkboard.

And I've read of horror stories at other papers. I've talked with some editors about having trouble with comments particularly on stories involving race, crime and sex. The conversation quickly degenerates into name-calling, epithet-throwing and potential libel. That doesn't seem to serve any real civic purpose.

So, we're trying to determine our next step. Introducing registration will help with accountability; at least it will give us a legitimate e-mail address of a commenter. (Registration is planned to be non-intrusive -- you can browse the site to your heart's content, but to comment, you'll need to complete a six- or seven-question form.) Unfortunately, we don't have someone who can moderate the comments as they come in.

Thoughts?

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concerned said:

The Charlotte Observer has done this and the comments on every story have degenerated into name-calling and, too often, race-baiting (from both whites and blacks). I mean, every single story ends up in gutter-level mudslinging - even the "American Idol" stories.

While I appreciate that you are trying to increase reader input (which is good), having published comments on each story only invites trouble. I bet staff morale at the News & Record will sink like a rock after the writers are subject to day after day of abuse.

Joe Murphy said:

Over at the Winston-Salem Journal we started with the "pick which stories to allow comments" route. It's served us well so far, and I think it's a good place to start ... the downside is still harkens to the "newspaper controlling the focus of the conversation" days.

Conversations tend to be civil, and we haven't had to delete many comments. The biggest danger we've faced is when folks who are involved in controversial stories want to add their brand of facts to the story...

Mike Orren said:

John, I have no data to support this other than anecdotes and my gut: But on TexasGigs we have everything open for comment and have had little to no trouble, despite tackling some dicy issues. I believe part of the reason why is that our final submit button says:

"My momma would be proud of what I just wrote: Submit it!"

Several people have told me that it made them think better of a nasty comment. No clue if it's true, but with a million pageviews a month and about 40 comments a day, we only moderate about one a month.

John Robinson said:

Joe, comments are reviewed by a staff member before posting, right? Who does that and what percentage of comments are rejected?

John Robinson said:

I love that, Mike. Takes us back to our Southern roots!

You coming back to town anytime soon?

Bubba [TypeKey Profile Page] said:

What are the questions you plan to ask?

John Robinson said:

Don't have them in front of me right now, but I believe they are name, age, e-mail address, gender, zip and whether you're a N&R subscriber.

Me, I argued for bank account number so that we could send that to the Nigerian scammers for anyone who violates the terms of use, but I got voted down.

Sue said:

I asked this before and remember the answer but am re-asking so you can re-answer and re-assure everyone (who may just be me). When we give you the above info, you will not share it or sell it to marketers, right? I will have the right to say "no, don't email me any advertising" or similar, right?

John Robinson said:

That's correct, Sue. You'll be able to opt IN for offers.

Joe Murphy said:

Yes, the online content producers on staff (of which I'm one) approve the comments that come in. I'd say about .5% of the comments (1 in 200) don't pass muster.

Another challenging situation with comments happens with reviews -- restaurant reviews in particular. This one from last week generated significant activity.

Tony Ledford said:

John, I'm not certain I see any value in allowing comments only on select stories, or select categories of stories. Comments should be allowed on all stories, or not allowed at all.

Have your technical staff looked at all into any third-party tools (some are free and GNU-licensed) for parsing comments before they are committed? It isn't possible to catch everything, of course, but you could catch a lot of annoying or offensive stuff and simply not post it, requiring no editorial intervention.

I understand the concern, however; for months I read the “Letters” online but now I rarely do so, specifically because of the quality (or lack thereof) of the comments.

Based on what Joe says, it sounds as if the Journal isn't having too many problems. Maybe it would be worse at the N&R because the N&R is considered by some locals to be “liberal,” something which has always CRACKED ME UP!!!

John Robinson said:

Joe, do you have any written standards for what is not permissible in comments you could share?

Tony, thanks. Also, I'll ask you the question that has been asked of me: Why do you hate America? :)


Tony Ledford said:

John, I'll give you my current answer to the question above, which frustrates and confuses the person who asks the question (or a variant of it):

"I love America. It is Americans who hate everything that makes America what she is that I hate."

Causes the blood vessels in the forehead and neck to bulge, with simultaneous head-scratching.

:-)

Mike Orren said:

Wish I could get back home for a bit, but This Little Business is both distracting and impoverishing. I'll definitely let you know the next time I make it through town.

Doug Johnson said:

Saying this paper is not liberal cracks me up!
I brought this paper for 43 years, like most everyone in our area. There are no more NR boxes along our road now. Wonder why? Could it be the NR endorses only tax and spent folks, like tax hike mike. The NR endorsed him as one to save our tax dollars. He has raised taxes in each year except 2004. If I have time today, I will try and find the NR excat words on this.

Joe Murphy said:

John, I can remember reading a guide for evaluating comments, but that around a year ago and it's probably lost in the inbox now. Basically: Don't edit the comments, don't approve swear words, or anything that could be libel. If you're not sure about approving a comment then you ought to ask.

Here's a link to what we tell our readers in the Reader Reaction form: http://tinyurl.com/kj97j

And here's a list of the swear words we reject:
[List omitted for the sake of sensibility]

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